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Sing fellow Mac OS Lovers!!! Boycott the iPhone!!! Seize all imports of black turtlenecks - hit Steve where it really hurts...at the neck! A one and a two...

sube a nacer conmigo, hermano.
Dame la mano desde la profunda zona de tu dolor diseminado
no volverás del fondo de las rocas
no volverás del tiempo subterráneo
no volverá tu voz endurecida
no volverán tus ojos taladrados
yo vengo a hablar por vuestra boca muerta
a través de la tierra juntad todos los silenciosos labios derramados

y desde el fondo habladme toda esta larga noche
como si yo estuviera con vosotros anclado
contadme todo, cadena a cadena, eslabón a eslabón, y paso a paso
afilad los cuchillos que guardasteis
ponedlos en mi pecho y en mi mano
como un río de rayos amarillos
como un río de tigres enterrados
y dejadme llorar horas, días, años, edades ciegas, siglos estelares

dadme el silencio, el agua, la esperanza,
dadme la lucha, el hierro, los volcanes
apegadme los cuerpos como imanes
acudid a mis venas y a mi boca
hablad por mis palabras y mi sangre

estribillo: (chorus)

no, no, no nos moverán! no, no nos moverán!
como un árbol firme junto al río
no nos moverán.

unidos en la lucha, no nos moverán
unidos en la lucha, no nos moverán
como un árbol firme junto al río
no nos moverán
no, no, no nos moverán! no, no, no nos moverán!
como un árbol firme junto al río
no nos moverán

unidos en la huelga, no, no, no nos moverán!
unidos en la huelga, no, no, no nos moverán!
como un árbol firme junto al río
no nos moverán, no nos moverán!


And for the vocally challenged...you can get it on iTunes...here. :D

Lyrics by Joan Báez - who dated Steve Jobs back in the 70s.
 
So we've learned Digitimes went up a notch in credibility...

...Thinksecret dropped down a couple more...

...and that we must boycott the iPhone so that Steve doesn't get the idea that diverting resources away from the OS is something that goes unpunished.

I agree.
As Mr. Burns would put it.... Excellent!
 
iPhone not to blame

I think people are taking Apple's iPhone excuse way too seriously. Come on, you do not actually believe that to be true, do you? That iPhone explanation is just an attempt to spin something positive from the fact that Leopard is being delayed.

I am very dissappointed by this developent myself, but I do not believe for a second iPhone project is to blame. There are some other diffuculties in the Leo project or major features being implemented which have caused the delay.
 
Top Secret features.. I will make a BEEEG prediction..

The REAL reason for the Leopard delay is that Apple is secretly working on the secret features.. The biggest of which will be support for installing OS X on a standard PC as Apple shifts their business from a hardware model to a software model and directly competes with Microsoft... (ARGHH! Ducks as Apple Mice fly through the air at me..) If you think about it, with all the people pissed off at Microsoft because Vista won't work on existing systems, Apple can move in right now and save the day with a version of OS X that will work as an alternative to Vista and new hardware.. :)
 
What we also learn from Leopard's delay is that Apple's secretive ways make things very difficult for planning, costing and implementing potential enterprise and small business solutions.

While it's no big deal to them, they just lost the sales of 6-8 packs of Leopard as we'll move the studio to Tiger this summer instead. In our case, the OS is merely a vehicle for running Quark 7 and Creative Suite 3 and we need a minimum of 10.4.8 for that to happen.

I can also understand some level of secrecy around flagship products, especially those crucial to the bottom line, but sometimes it seems that things are taken to ridiculous degrees leading to the hasty backtracking and mixed signals that we've seen over the past couple of months.
 
One more song of protest...hastly adapted from Peter, Paul and Mary's "There But For Fortune"...the vastly superior and more meaningful original available on iTunes here.

Show me the prison, show me the jail
Show me the OS whose face is growin' stale
And I'll show you system with so many reasons why
There but for fortune, go you or go I
You and I.

Show me the alley, show me the train
Show me the Finder that acts as a brain
And I'll show you a system with many reasons why
there but for fortune, go you or go I
You and I.

Show me the famine, show me the frail
Show the poor Leopard, they’ve chopped off his tail
And I'll show you system with so many reasons why
There but for fortune, go you or go I
You and I.

Show me the country where iPhones must fall
Show me the yuppies with no one to call
And I'll show you a system with many reasons why
There but for fortune, go you or go I
You and I.
You and I.

There but for fortune, go you or go I
You and I.


¡Viva La Huelga!
 
If the issue with BootCamp is true then what we learn is that now OS X plans will depend on compatibility with MS Windows OS.
Does that mean future of OS X will depend on compatibilities and releases from Microsoft OS ? :confused:

The most important thing to learn is that Apple didn't just removed "Computer" from the name but are transitioning to a CE company and probably Mac/ OS X are low priority now. Maybe the day is not far when updates to OS X are delayed because new version of iPod Nano requires more attention ;)
 
Blast it Apple, we just keep waiting...and waiting...and waiting for Leopard. First, Macworld. Then, about half a year later, WWDC '07. Now, October. Damn the iPhone, we want our OS. The iPhone has way too many strings attached for it to make them a huge amount of money. Just give us Leopard. Blast it, now that we have to wait until October they had better have the LED screens on the MacBook by then. And maybe faster processors too. I keep waiting for Leopard to buy my MacBook. For now I'm stuck with win-doze xp, so Leopard is essentially my lifesaver.

absolutly FULLACK! summer comes and i hve to sit inside because the powerbook display is too poor to use it outside...THANKS A LOT. and all because of this stupid "all in one" iPhone (i mean PHONE!) or .......... VISTA???

BAH. this day is wrecked...steve.:mad:
 
I learned that Apple has spread themselves too thin. You can call it growing pains if you like, but with the all the work going into atv and iphone, Apple seems to not have the resources available to deliver on its basics. If you believe Apple's official reason for the delay anyway.
 
As a developer myself (sadly not on the :apple: platform :( ) I don't believe the reason for the delay, large projects slip, it's difficult bringing large complex systems in on time and on budget, usually unknowns creep in, and delays happen (or features get dropped). With Vista hitting the streets in the same time frame :apple: cannot avoid the comparison [ignoring the fact they encourage it] and so Leopard has to be good, very good, it must blow us away, otherwise their market share will drop not rise [as I expect it to do] and an opportunity will have been missed!

M$ have definitely blundered with Vista, 5 years resource and a so so product at the end. They will keep their market share simply because from January new PCs can only carry Vista.

This delay is in fact good news...

October will be an ideal time to strike. Christmas is the peek buying period...period. A launch in the northern summer would go largely unnoticed people are outside, their minds are not on their computers!

With new hardware launched with Leopard and the iPhone in ascendancy the marketing potential is huge. A new wave of switchers could materialize. We may even hear the media using the term "the iPhone halo effect"!

One thing I have learnt from this delay is I made the right decision to switch last December, I'd been sat waiting for Leopard and the C2D for the previous 18 months watching this site [oh this is my first post BTW] and don't regret it. I wanted to see a Leopard Vista shoot out to decide which way to go , but Vista was looking disappointing [and delayed] and my ageing P3 (yep I said P3) was on it's last legs when ooops a black macbook took my fancy!

Tiger does not disappoint and is as good as vista IMO and well Leopard can only be better...it will undoubtedly be worth the wait!

On a complete aside Parallels was a key component to making the switch , being able to run M$ Visual studio and therefore take work home made the choice a no brainer.
 
That was funny. I like how they had to put a story out to try and make it sound like its not that bad of thing.

The pretty girl joke made me laugh too.

Remember when PC told everyone at the WWDC to take a break? I guess Apple sort of did.

But the delay did immediately make me think of this rumor. October. I didn't believe it before. And I still don't. I'm in shock. October!

But honestly, if Jobs wanted to tick off Gates more than anything else, what else could he do? Well, how about a Wine/Parallels incorporation into Leopard? And (I really hope this one) an Office killer in the form of iLife/iWork. The perfect plan to phase out Windows like they did with Classic. Just a thought.
 
Pure Speculation on my part...

...but I'm willing to guess, if not hope, that Apple is introducing social networking on the OS level in leopard. As much as I'm embarassed to say it, I'm willing to wait for that.

think about it, they have all the tools...iphoto, imovie, itunes, ichat, garage band, safari, 'netwide bonjour, .mac and all that infrastructure the Akamai deal made them back in the day. Why let all the myspaces, friendsters, and facebooks have all the fun in a browser, when you can consolidate all that in a Mac?

Lets face it. as much as we all love/hate MySpace for being opportunistic/antagonistic to its members, were miffed by Friendster not making a good idea great, and Facebook taking really good steps toward an ideal social network, none helps more to assuage privacy concerns than a family computer. If I had kids, and .mac was my social network where I could involve my kids safely, I'd be much more apt to buy a mac so they can hang with their friends online while keeping away from predators. If I were a single teacher, I'd love to be able to keep an online relationship with my students, while keeping my single life private. Potential employers too. There are many advantages to bringing social networking to the desktop.

do you remember back when firewire was supposed to be the "golden convergence"? Do you remember back when the Macintosh brought the personal in PC?

Social networking is just software, and what better way to take advantage of it, than incorporating it into the widget?

My guess is that Apple releases a public beta for a desktop based social networking tools in iLife and leopard at wwdc which runs until october for final release. Of course, I'd like to see a free expanded .mac account for every person that buys a copy of leopard, whether it's with new mac or not.

If I'm wrong, then I'll be disappointed.

call me one of the crazy ones. ;-)
 
I'm not planning on using Windoze ever again. Why do the rest of us have to suffer the wait if Boot Camp is not a feature that we may not ever use?
 
I learned that Apple has spread themselves too thin. You can call it growing pains if you like, but with the all the work going into atv and iphone, Apple seems to not have the resources available to deliver on its basics. If you believe Apple's official reason for the delay anyway.

Here, here. And I don't care if others think that those of us with serious criticism of Apple are drama queening. Apple needs to hear this.

Apple is not microsoft, so lets stop comparisons as excuses. We have a legitimate concern that our most admired and trusted partner is loosing its computer focus and needs to expand/restructure in such a way that apple computers can continue the mecurial growth that they so deserve.

Apple has dropped the ball in the past and those of us who remember are probably most inclined to hold apples arse to the fire!
 
It is pretty simple, the guy at Apple who is in charge of Boot Camp is locked in a cubicle working on something for the iPhone and Steve won't let him out until he is done. Bad, bad, bad Apple worker guy, stop taking bathroom breaks and finish your master's work.
 
OS X.4 April 2005

Two-and-a-half years later...

OS X.5



That's half the time it took M$ build Vista from scratch, and Leopard, for me, has a certain 'meh' factor to it.

I mean, 30 months for Time Machine and 64-bit support?


Apple HAVE to accept that their little team of uber-developers cannot do everything in a company this big. They NEED to hire more talent and get more R+D because at the moment it feels like they're still trying to do everything in Steve Jobs' garage, and have realised they have run out of space and manpower.

MA.
 
Apple, a let down!

I am a windows user and have been a windows user for over 10 years now. I have two friends who are apple users. I decided last year after watching the WWDC'06 keynote that i would be getting a mac and that i would wait until Leopard so that i can buy it with the macbook. Now that leopard is delayed i can't do that.

I am still a huge supporter of Microsoft and Vista, but understand how where people are coming from when they complain about the delays and problems with vista, but guess what, Apple is now just as bad, delaying there operating system that long.

What i don't get is how they had to take resources from the Leopard team to complete the iphone on time when the iphone is being released next month, so if it was only recent that they took resources from the leopard team shouldn't leopard only be delayed a few weeks not a few months. For it to be delayed until October they must have known for a few months now.

Anywaiz i am a forgiving person so im gonna (lol) wait for an update to the macbook then buy it and then buy leopard in October when it is released, unless Apple has a turn around and ends up releasing it earlier. Who knows.
 
Apple is now just as bad, delaying there operating system that long.

Difference is, when Apple ships 10.5 it'll actually be ready.

If they were Microsoft they would release it tomorrow and get all of us to do Beta testing.

MA.
 
I'm not planning on using Windoze ever again. Why do the rest of us have to suffer the wait if Boot Camp is not a feature that we may not ever use?

yes. its quite true. I love my G5. Give me Leopard now.

Difference is, when Apple ships 10.5 it'll actually be ready.
If they were Microsoft they would release it tomorrow and get all of us to do Beta testing.
MA.

funny! the beta test is endless until all of us are forced to proceed to the next beta test (XP-->vista).
 
I sure as hell hope it wasn't delayed because of boot camp. Personally i dont use boot camp and i bet there are others like me. If they delayed it 4 months because of that then i'm losing faith in apple. Delaying there own OS for a program that runs a rivals OS? bleh

I do not personally think it has anything to do with Vista, and if it does - then please stop wasting your time. Apple only needs at this stage to support an upgrade path from XP. But even this could potentially spell trouble- if they try to be too clever (with virtualization etc.) then they will undoubtedly get tangled up in the confused mess of code that is Windows.

I hope that what Apple is doing is producing a rock solid OS that has some great new features that we never knew we needed but now cannot live without, and some great new machines. Failing that I hope this is a trick to lull the competition into a false sense of security and to start the comparisons of Vista's delay with Leopard's before pulling the rabbit out of the hat in June, causing a sharp rise in share price after the inevitable downturn.
 
i really dont buy their excuse about being too busy with the iphone... something probably got messed up... it just seems like a lame excuse.
 
i really dont buy their excuse about being too busy with the iphone... something probably got messed up... it just seems like a lame excuse.

I had that though to, and i think there is a good chance it could be true, but who knows? I don't think :apple: would ever admit it. Oh well i guess we have to hope that apple releases it earlier than october, but there is nothing else we can really do except encourage apple to finish it and release it completed 100% and encourage them enough for them to complete it earlier.
 
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