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Those speed tests are a complete waste of time. Just some idiot opening apps for 2 mins in the real world it would be different

I have a 7+ and S8+. Using both devices side by side, I can say those types of tests mean nothing in the real world.

Not to say there aren’t performance differences, that’s just a crap test for highlighting them.

Good for views and clicks, bad for evaluating how a device fits into your daily life.
 
As plenty of people are saying, it's really iOS that's the distinguishing factor. The OS is beautiful, the apps for iOS are beautiful, I've got an iPhone, iPad, Macs, Watch, Airpods that all work beautifully together. I don't want to move to Android land. Nothing there excites me.

This is exactly how I view iOS. It's simplistic and it's intuitive enough where it's clean and not cluttered. Granted some like customization, I'm perfectly fine with the practical set up in iOS. It might be boring to others, but I just want a fluent operating system in Apple's ecosystem and it delivers that.
 
I Dont buy it all the major apps are of the same quality. That's already been proven and even the tech sites agree. I doubt you own the S8. Because it's been nothing short of fantastic makes my wife's iPhone 7 plus feel like a dinosaur. And even on the OS level Android looks way more professional as I can tuck my apps away due to the file system, which I think iOS might add not sure.
And now with that chin and the bezel notch plus on the OLED iPhone the screen space is and only will be 5.1 inches look it up. Real good job on IOS lol.

You doubt that I have an S8 because my experience with the phone is different than yours? Yes, that makes perfect sense.
 
As someone using an S8, I cannot wait to go back to iOS. The widgets and customization was fun for about a week and then I started to miss iMessage. No, I don't wanna use WhatsApp. All the Android keyboards drive me crazy. Apps look to be of lower quality. Every photo that I take looks oversaturated. The iPhone X will be running iOS so it's better.

apart from iMessage i dont use, this is pretty much the same experience i had with the S7 last year.

and i also had worse battery life. and didn't like, that i had app updates coming in from two stores instead of one.. (samsung and google) don't even get me started on all the apps i was not allowed to delete and kept wanting to be updated by the samsung store..

and many little problems i never had with an iphone.


BUT the screen was amazing and pretty much the biggest reason i stayed with the device for 6 months. and being able to fake my GPS location was pretty fun. and alot of things made android seem more modern somehow.. but they were only visuals..


oh almost forgot: there was no adblocker that worked as well, as the ones on iOS.. probably doesnt help, that Chrome on Android still doesn't allow extensions...
 
apart from iMessage i dont use, this is pretty much the same experience i had with the S7 last year.

and i also had worse battery life. and didn't like, that i had app updates coming in from two stores instead of one.. (samsung and google) don't even get me started on all the apps i was not allowed to delete and kept wanting to be updated by the samsung store..

and many little problems i never had with an iphone.


BUT the screen was amazing and pretty much the biggest reason i stayed with the device for 6 months. and being able to fake my GPS location was pretty fun. and alot of things made android seem more modern somehow.. but they were only visuals..


oh almost forgot: there was no adblocker that worked as well, as the ones on iOS.. probably doesnt help, that Chrome on Android still doesn't allow extensions...
Ad blockers on android are way better than on iOS and always have been.
 
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Sure, you have continued updates – but which make the iPhone be everytime much shutter and lagged! At this price, I don't (!) want the updates which you indirectly cannot avoid because of the suppressive badges.

I don't let notification badges run my life. :D
 
Does that not then mean that Android can't even keep up with its own skins? ;)

As a side note, you really do have to use only stock Android when comparing to iOS. The plethora of companies that skin versions of Android can't be used as one collective unit against Apple/iOS. Of course 10 companies together will have "more" - but those companies will also have conflicting features and ideas of how an OS should run.
Well there are different launchers in the play store that gave users the notification badge. Play store is a part of stock android so...
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No, it’s just better to put costs in perspective. My point is it’s not that expensive.
You did not make any point lol. A 1000 dollars is still a 1000 dollars. No matter if you pay it upfront or you pay for it monthly.

Some car dealers now offer 144 month loans. I guess you would consider a 100k car pretty cheap if you take a 144 months loan right?
 
Well there are different launchers in the play store that gave users the notification badge. Play store is a part of stock android so...
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You did not make any point lol. A 1000 dollars is still a 1000 dollars. No matter if you pay it upfront or you pay for it monthly.

Some car dealers now offer 144 month loans. I guess you would consider a 100k car pretty cheap if you take a 144 months loan right?

I disagree. The point is that when you break it down to a daily cost, you realize how insignificant of a cost it is for what you get to use on a daily basis. Overall, $1,000 is not much money for a device you use everyday, throughout the day. Most spend more on worse in a year.
 
Well there are different launchers in the play store that gave users the notification badge. Play store is a part of stock android so...
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You did not make any point lol. A 1000 dollars is still a 1000 dollars. No matter if you pay it upfront or you pay for it monthly.

Some car dealers now offer 144 month loans. I guess you would consider a 100k car pretty cheap if you take a 144 months loan right?

and the 1,000 dollars is for the smallest storage configuration.
 
and the 1,000 dollars is for the smallest storage configuration.

Indeed. And that's plenty for a lot of people, myself included (although I'm not in the market for a new iPhone this update cycle).

I don't own a hundred+ gigabytes of music, I stream it instead. I don't watch movies or TV shows on my phone if I'm traveling - I much rather watch them on my 12,9" iPad. I don't shoot a lot of video (let alone 4k) and although I'm described as "snap happy" by individuals whose opinion I value, somehow I have still managed with 64 GB, and 32 and 16 GB before that. My needs have evolved over time, sure, but there's always been an option that meets them. Then you have people who need more space because they're not me and their needs are different - they get to make the decision if that extra space is worth the extra price Apple asks for the higher price tiers.

Just because something is the lowest-priced option doesn't mean it's categorically a bad option for everyone. There's a reason why cheaper categories of phones are offered, for instance - there's demand for them. And yes, at a thousand dollars it's still a lot of money - yet it can be worth it to someone whose needs and wants it meets, just like that higher storage tier is worth it to those who need and want that extra storage space.

At the end of the day, if it's not worth it to you... why buy it? Let alone question why something that's not worth it to you is worth it to someone else? That's like getting all antsy about someone picking a different brand of phone.
 
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Indeed. And that's plenty for a lot of people, myself included (although I'm not in the market for a new iPhone this update cycle).

I don't own a hundred+ gigabytes of music, I stream it instead. I don't watch movies or TV shows on my phone if I'm traveling - I much rather watch them on my 12,9" iPad. I don't shoot a lot of video (let alone 4k) and although I'm described as "snap happy" by individuals whose opinion I value, somehow I have still managed with 64 GB, and 32 and 16 GB before that. My needs have evolved over time, sure, but there's always been an option that meets them. Then you have people who need more space because they're not me and their needs are different - they get to make the decision if that extra space is worth the extra price Apple asks for the higher price tiers.

Just because something is the lowest-priced option doesn't mean it's categorically a bad option for everyone. There's a reason why cheaper categories of phones are offered, for instance - there's demand for them. And yes, at a thousand dollars it's still a lot of money - yet it can be worth it to someone whose needs and wants it meets, just like that higher storage tier is worth it to those who need and want that extra storage space.

At the end of the day, if it's not worth it to you... why buy it? Let alone question why something that's not worth it to you is worth it to someone else? That's like getting all antsy about someone picking a different brand of phone.

I do agree that some can manage with smaller amounts of storage. However I'm a hoarder so I need 128GB as a minimum. However this time round I'd need 256GB.

However people can spend their money on and find value in whatever they choose to.
 
Indeed. And that's plenty for a lot of people, myself included (although I'm not in the market for a new iPhone this update cycle).

I don't own a hundred+ gigabytes of music, I stream it instead. I don't watch movies or TV shows on my phone if I'm traveling - I much rather watch them on my 12,9" iPad. I don't shoot a lot of video (let alone 4k) and although I'm described as "snap happy" by individuals whose opinion I value, somehow I have still managed with 64 GB, and 32 and 16 GB before that. My needs have evolved over time, sure, but there's always been an option that meets them. Then you have people who need more space because they're not me and their needs are different - they get to make the decision if that extra space is worth the extra price Apple asks for the higher price tiers.

Just because something is the lowest-priced option doesn't mean it's categorically a bad option for everyone. There's a reason why cheaper categories of phones are offered, for instance - there's demand for them. And yes, at a thousand dollars it's still a lot of money - yet it can be worth it to someone whose needs and wants it meets, just like that higher storage tier is worth it to those who need and want that extra storage space.

At the end of the day, if it's not worth it to you... why buy it? Let alone question why something that's not worth it to you is worth it to someone else? That's like getting all antsy about someone picking a different brand of phone.

I like your idea BUT as these devices become more powerful the real amazing apps will consume ALOT more storage and its real hard to attach a SD card to an apple product, ;)
 
On Apple's list of OLED drawbacks, why wasn't burn in mentioned? Screen burn in has plagued almost all Android devices with OLED screens (my 2014 Moto X included). In a few months will "burn in gate" occur?
 
On Apple's list of OLED drawbacks, why wasn't burn in mentioned? Screen burn in has plagued almost all Android devices with OLED screens (my 2014 Moto X included). In a few months will "burn in gate" occur?

Eh burn in isn't as bad as it used to be. I compare my Galaxy Nexus (2011) to my S8+(2017). My Nexus got burn in within a month of me having it. My S8+ hasn't had any burn in and I've had this phone since April. As long folks don't have the screen on at 100% brightness all day/every day, things should be fine
 
I like your idea BUT as these devices become more powerful the real amazing apps will consume ALOT more storage

Apps have absolutely grown in size from the time the App Store was released, that's a fact. It's why Apple added support for thinned app installs (where only that portion of the app that is either shared by all iOS devices or specific to the device the app is being installed on is downloaded) and delta updates (where only the changed portion of an app is downloaded when updating). But going by my own experience I don't think the size of apps is what's driving the demand for and subsequently availability of larger storage sizes.

Looking at my list of installed apps, the smallest app I use every day is 12 MB in size, while the largest is 360 MB. Roughly 50% of my installed apps are under 100 MB; roughly 75% are under 200 MB and roughly 90% are under 1 GB. The largest app on the device is 2.6 GB (a game), although now that I think about it it's been months since I've last used it. Removed. And quite fittingly, games are an app category where file sizes become larger as device capabilities increase, but also a category where people are willing to cull old stuff in order to create free space on their devices.

Where I feel the more considerable storage needs stem from, then, are photos and videos (including TV shows and movies for many, which are also likely to be deleted once watched if free space needs to be created). I currently have about 16 GB of photos and videos I've taken myself, on my phone. I don't use iCloud Photos yet, so my full photo library is only on my Mac and in my backups. If I did store all of my unoptimized photos and videos on my phone in addition to the apps, I'd blow past 64 GB - and despite being "snap happy" I don't count myself among power users when it comes to photo / video library size. I'm pretty much in the average Joe territory here.

And that's exactly why photos and videos are so meaningful when it comes to storage, even if you can debate that we're taking more and more of less and less meaningful photos these days. You don't have to be someone who needs "more powerful and amazing apps" to fill up your phone - you just need to enjoy taking photos and videos, and there's a lot of those people around. It's no doubt one of the reasons why Apple offers the "Optimise iPhone Storage" feature and is moving to support HEIV and HEFC formats in iOS 11.

I mentioned in my earlier post that my own phone usage has evolved over time and I've gone from 16 to 32 to 64 GB. The driving force behind that evolution has been - you guessed it - photos and videos. Fortunately my usage has evolved slower than the top storage tier sizes, so I've never been forced to buy the most expensive option available. If anything, I've taken steps to slow down that trend to the point where my next Mac (whenever that happens) will probably have "only" 512 or 256 GB of storage space, instead of the 1 TB my current one does (of which 700-800 GB has gone unused for the past four-ish years or so).
 
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On Apple's list of OLED drawbacks, why wasn't burn in mentioned? Screen burn in has plagued almost all Android devices with OLED screens (my 2014 Moto X included). In a few months will "burn in gate" occur?
Thats a myth

On all recent flagships it's not an issue
 
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