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What would I miss going from Mac back to pc?
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You won't believe it, but my number one reason why I don't want to go back to a PC is the 3-key one-step screenshot. The snipping tool on a PC take more than one step.
On the other side, I miss the simplicity of System Restore on a PC.
I was waiting for the new Mac to come out, but now I hear there is a fan noise problem and I'm scared. My current Mac runs so quiet, you would not know it's on. I need a new computer, but now I don't know what to do. I'm used to my Mac and don't want to re-learn Windows.
As far as comparing a PC and a Mac - they both have good points and bad points; i.e., I never had a dead pixel line on a PC, but have one on this one. Glitching? They both do that.
That Control/Command key debate is just plain funny.
On the other side, I miss the simplicity of System Restore on a PC.
I was waiting for the new Mac to come out, but now I hear there is a fan noise problem and I'm scared. My current Mac runs so quiet, you would not know it's on. I need a new computer, but now I don't know what to do. I'm used to my Mac and don't want to re-learn Windows.
As far as comparing a PC and a Mac - they both have good points and bad points; i.e., I never had a dead pixel line on a PC, but have one on this one. Glitching? They both do that.
That Control/Command key debate is just plain funny.
I hate taking screenshots in Windows. The sad thing is, they introduced a new system in Creators Update and it still takes multiple steps just to take a region shot.
Just one of many things where macOS is a better thought out system.
I'm quite shocked that people here are legitimately throwing away the things that have made the Mac so popular over the past decade. Things like the rock solid stability. Well written, functional apps. No system crashes and much less third party software crashes on a daily basis. As someone else mentioned, the ability to throw a ton of abuse from novice users and crap at it without slowing down over time or contracting viruses from 'free toolbars'.
It's a bloody fact that the Mac is more stable, more secure and more beautifully produced hardware and software leading to a great experience for ANYONE and EVERYONE regardless of technical knowledge.
I'm sure Windows CAN be managed, can be tolerated and perhaps enjoyed by some higher level users who have the knowledge to go into the command prompt and disable Cortana, remove the bloat ware - which now isn't just hardware vendors but Microsoft themselves putting it there might I add. But it's not equal to the Mac in those regards. No way.
And to back it up, this is why many people have become Mac users over the past ten years. Going from a £300 craptop to a £1200 MacBook Pro. Because they can see and feel it for themselves, without needing to know what a gigahert is.
The only reason 90% of Mac users go back to Windows:
- They can't afford another Mac (me)
- They must use Windows for work/school
I can safely assume that the other 10% have the money, time and interest in buying a second PC of high end variety and using it as a toy or for fun.. But to say Windows is equal to the Mac in the areas mentioned.. I'll never accept it. Until I'm convinced personally and having been using Windows 10 a lot.. I'm not.
It's a bloody fact that the Mac is more stable, more secure and more beautifully produced hardware and software leading to a great experience for ANYONE and EVERYONE regardless of technical knowledge.
I'm sure Windows CAN be managed, can be tolerated and perhaps enjoyed by some higher level users who have the knowledge to go into the command prompt and disable Cortana, remove the bloat ware - which now isn't just hardware vendors but Microsoft themselves putting it there might I add. But it's not equal to the Mac in those regards. No way.
And to back it up, this is why many people have become Mac users over the past ten years. Going from a £300 craptop to a £1200 MacBook Pro. Because they can see and feel it for themselves, without needing to know what a gigahert is.
The only reason 90% of Mac users go back to Windows:
- They can't afford another Mac (me)
- They must use Windows for work/school
I can safely assume that the other 10% have the money, time and interest in buying a second PC of high end variety and using it as a toy or for fun.. But to say Windows is equal to the Mac in the areas mentioned.. I'll never accept it. Until I'm convinced personally and having been using Windows 10 a lot.. I'm not.
This is why the conversation goes no where, you don't need to be convinced, you can laugh at everyone secure in your knowledge that you're right but when you step in and make pronunciations from on high you will cause arguments.
I don't think Windows or OSX are all that great or special but I don't bounce into threads and preach, I share experiences and help when I can. I don't make judgement calls on any of it because I assume that people are using what they are for a reason.
The magic is in the magician not the wand.
Windows + Shift + S
Works great and with the Creators Update lets you drag the area you want to snip for the shot...
The only thing I can do with my presence on a forum is share my thoughts and see how many people agree / disagree.
See you rightfully tell me 'Look, your opinions aren't facts' when it comes to saying the Mac is good.
Yet, when others do the same about Windows being superior to the Mac... It's accepted as fact?!
Chime in, tell people that your experience has been terrible but don't assume your experience is everyones and don't extrapolate your experience out. Do all Mac's suck because of ghosting, anti reflective coating coming off, and dead GPU's?
Is it accepted as fact or is that your perception?
Ok, just tried it. I stand corrected, didn't know about this. It took them long enough, but it does work.
'assuming it's everyone's experience' + 'extrapolating' is more to do with how you have interpreted what I've said.
If a user of the Macs with those issues posted saying that they had those issues and that those Macs sucked.. I wouldn't argue with them. Because those issues are facts. And so are the issues with Windows I mention, many others will back that up and it can be experienced by using Windows itself so they're not in my imagination.
I believe you have the problems you have just like I believe that @aevan has the sleep problems he has heck I believe that most people that come to forums to seek help with things actually have the problems they state. I also know that not everyone has those problems nor are they as rampant and the internet likes to believe. We're all entitled to gripe and complain but at some point gripe and complain needs to turn into ask like the above with the screen shot situation above. To reiterate what @Queen6 said if problems were as rampant as they tech forums make it seem Windows would no longer be an industry standard and Apple would be out of business.
The purpose in sharing my experience answers a lot of peoples questions about moving to Windows / what are the down sides / is it better yet? and I'm saying: Well, I don't think so. And going into detail about it. It does seem to offend certain Windows advocates.. but perhaps there's better forums out there for them than MAC Rumours lol
Rock solid and reliability are hit and miss nowadays with Mac. I respect your opinion but it is biased. Your comment that Windows can be tolerated gives it away. Both systems have limits.
Not sure what you mean - copy paste bug?
BTW, I've been waiting forever for the quick region screenshot in Windows, this really helps, thanks for the info.
Thank you for that information. I knew there must be a simpler way. If you can drag, it works just like the Mac.
This the one you are both preaching and missing It's not ridiculous that for some Windows 10 presents no issue, nor if the same applies to macOS or if the inverse applies. For my usage OS X and Windows have slowly flipped over the last 3-4 years Windows 10 is indeed more stable, OS X is indeed increasingly more unstable. I am neither invested in either company, I am however invested in my needs.
Why you just are unable to accept that others in a vastly different realms can have a positive experience is simply tells me more about you and your biases than the OS inquisition. OS X is falling on my side due to the usage and workflow. Members of the forum are speaking of the superiority of Windows 10 from their experience not yours something you may want to bear in mind or do you think longterm members like myself are "deep cover" agents planted by Microsoft
I used to be employed in a major multinational with over 130K employees, as of W7 SP3 much of the Windows woes went away. Yes systems did fail, equally not every computer and predominantly hardware related. Bottom line Microsoft has significantly improved their OS, so your going to see more posts with people stating that Windows 10 is actually pretty good.
To me you are desperate to prove that Apple is the best at all costs, hence why you vilify anyone who has a negative comment or experience, maybe it's your choice of wording? To me you are a typical user who has not took the time to understand the system. The Screenshot serves as a good example it wasn't a fault of Windows 10 it was a lack of knowledge on your behalf, yet any search engine reveals literally tens of thousands of results in an instant
I currently only have one Windows 10 system that I use professionally the others are all Mac's, for now...
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Why you just are unable to accept that others in a vastly different realms can have a positive experience is simply tells me more about you and your biases than the OS inquisition. OS X is falling on my side due to the usage and workflow. Members of the forum are speaking of the superiority of Windows 10 from their experience not yours something you may want to bear in mind or do you think longterm members like myself are "deep cover" agents planted by Microsoft
I used to be employed in a major multinational with over 130K employees, as of W7 SP3 much of the Windows woes went away. Yes systems did fail, equally not every computer and predominantly hardware related. Bottom line Microsoft has significantly improved their OS, so your going to see more posts with people stating that Windows 10 is actually pretty good.
To me you are desperate to prove that Apple is the best at all costs, hence why you vilify anyone who has a negative comment or experience, maybe it's your choice of wording? To me you are a typical user who has not took the time to understand the system. The Screenshot serves as a good example it wasn't a fault of Windows 10 it was a lack of knowledge on your behalf, yet any search engine reveals literally tens of thousands of results in an instant
I currently only have one Windows 10 system that I use professionally the others are all Mac's, for now...
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I see windows users in my office adopt many different ways that often require no KB just mouse/trackpad let alone the snip tool or Win10:
- Just hit the single Prt Sc button on desktop KB and use the crop tool inside any MS Office app
- Just select and embed the object between any MS App (Far more powerful for editing data etc)
- From eg Excel just select the cells with data or images/graphs etc and paste special as image in any MS Office App
- From PDF just use the programme screenshot tool on the menu
- If the PDF is not locked down you can also grab the actual image or text even and import to any MS App as tables etc
- Export any PDF page as an image and embed.
I understand that some of the advance interaction between MS Office apps are not available in the Mac Version of MS Office so they may have limited options
My wife uses the snip tool as it's the only way she has learnt and as her Bootcamp rMB does not have a Prt Sc button she has also never learnt the cmd/shift/F11
....or some of us don't want to use MS Office and its advance interaction, we just want to region ss and paste into various apps like Photoshop directly, without having to crop. Also, if you have 2 monitors, Prt Scr in Windows makes an image that is 2 screens wide.
Fortunately, OS X and macOS had the copy SS region to clipboard for a long while, and now Windows has it too. Finally!
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This is simply not true - in almost every post on this forum I keep repeating the same line: for a lot of people Windows/Dell/Lenovo/Whatever may offer a better experience and this is perfectly fine.
It is YOU who has a hard time grasping that Windows is not universally better and more stable for everyone, and you use every opportunity to claim that it is. And several people here also do it in a very condescending way. Over, and over again.
Once more - I don't claim that people can't have a positive experience with Windows nor am I unable to accept that. So don't put words in my mouth, I never said that. But Windows is not universally more stable than macOS, not for everyone and not in every case, and I am living proof of that. In my case, it is completely opposite, and I know a lot of people that share my sentiment. Are you able to accept that?
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Yes but this is typical of your narrow field of vision it's all about options and different user cases, even Mac owners are not all in the visual arts buisness
Windows always had selective SS app, it just got better for some
For many of us who write technical reports screenshots are probaly the worse method of embedment and are often a source of comment from our clients on complex documents. I'm surprised you use them say outside of emails for example, but each to thier own.
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Dont recall stating Windows is universally more stable, it's simply working better for me versus macOS. As stated we don't need to write "in my opinion" in every single post of the same thread, generally it's given by most.
I have stated that Windows it's vastly improved and OS X has not to the same extent. If you don't like it, no need to constantly respond. I am not going to say my experience with W10 over OS X for my workflow is subpar just because the opposite hurts your feelings.
What I am documenting is the experience of a longstanding professional user of OS X versus the switch to Windows 10, as surprisingly others are also interested and considering the same. After all this "What would I miss going from Mac to PC?" In my case very less baring a few small Apps that I am sourcing & replacing slowly. Ultimately professionals purchase what works best and don't get so overly wrapped in branding...
If Apple works well for you all power to you, it did work for me and others for many years previously point worth considering. Nor am recommending you need to switch to Windows...
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I have stated that Windows it's vastly improved and OS X has not to the same extent. If you don't like it, no need to constantly respond. I am not going to say my experience with W10 over OS X for my workflow is subpar just because the opposite hurts your feelings.
What I am documenting is the experience of a longstanding professional user of OS X versus the switch to Windows 10, as surprisingly others are also interested and considering the same. After all this "What would I miss going from Mac to PC?" In my case very less baring a few small Apps that I am sourcing & replacing slowly. Ultimately professionals purchase what works best and don't get so overly wrapped in branding...
If Apple works well for you all power to you, it did work for me and others for many years previously point worth considering. Nor am recommending you need to switch to Windows...
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Back to the OP's question... you'd miss stability, a seamless experience between your iPhone / iPad / Mac and the attention to detail found both on Apple's hardware and software alike.
PCs have gotten better, as has Windows, but remember when Apple used to laugh at Windows saying 'if you can't innovate, imitate' - some minutes with high end PCs from Dell and HP that look the part and you'll soon start uncovering the creaks, seams, removable batteries.. yuk. It's a trap!
Don't do it (my opinion). You're free to think and do otherwise. Apologies for the mess this thread became!
PCs have gotten better, as has Windows, but remember when Apple used to laugh at Windows saying 'if you can't innovate, imitate' - some minutes with high end PCs from Dell and HP that look the part and you'll soon start uncovering the creaks, seams, removable batteries.. yuk. It's a trap!
Don't do it (my opinion). You're free to think and do otherwise. Apologies for the mess this thread became!
Back to the OP question... you'd miss putting all your eggs in one basket with a company who's focus is biased to one platform that conflicts with the other, has lags of 3 or 4 or 5 years on model updates that literally only has one or two optimised bits of software used by a minority in a minority
MAC's may have got smaller and lighter where Windows have got smarter, more imaginative and flexible giving Apple less to poach and innovate with. We only have to look at MR threads to see creaking/clicking/sticking MBP with scratched screens. This seems to be uncovering a possible serious trend in Apples quality and attention to detail
Do as you wish but there are serious gains to be had vs what now seems a legacy reputation
MAC's may have got smaller and lighter where Windows have got smarter, more imaginative and flexible giving Apple less to poach and innovate with. We only have to look at MR threads to see creaking/clicking/sticking MBP with scratched screens. This seems to be uncovering a possible serious trend in Apples quality and attention to detail
Do as you wish but there are serious gains to be had vs what now seems a legacy reputation
Back to the OP question... you'd miss putting all your eggs in one basket with a company who's focus is biased to one platform that conflicts with the other, has lags of 3 or 4 or 5 years on model updates that literally only has one or two optimised bits of software used by a minority in a minority
MAC's may have got smaller and lighter where Windows have got smarter, more imaginative and flexible giving Apple less to poach and innovate with. We only have to look at MR threads to see creaking/clicking/sticking MBP with scratched screens. This seems to be uncovering a possible serious trend in Apples quality and attention to detail
Do as you wish but there are serious gains to be had vs what now seems a legacy reputation
It's really kind of sad to see how far Apple has fallen in the computer segment.. Their current offerings, as you correctly said, are suited to a minority of users and I agree. I will add that they are also intended for those in the fashion conscious Starbucks crowd..
I believe Apple wants to, and will, kill the Mac at some point.. What Apple really wants to do is sell iPhones and iPads. Macbooks are now an afterthought..