What would I miss going from Mac back to pc?

[Queen6]

No it doesn't... Mac of late sucks with 4GB, i cant imaging what it would be like on 2GB. The recent replacement MBP device i got is an I7 with 8GB as i didn't want to max out the budget. Big mistake. My older late 14 I5 (edit just looked its actually an I7 3Ghz - my bad) and 16GB performs better. I struggle to run a 4GB VM on the new device if i try to do anything remotely taxing. I have a windows box with 8GB and thats happy as larry on a very happy day running a 4GB VM regardless of what i try to do.

I dont care about the startup time, thats once a day. Mac boots in two stage - mostly after you sign in.
Windows box on an old i5 with actually a smaller SSD (512GB) takes around the same time to boot, but the way windows post loads esp iTunes is a pain.

I don't use curtana or Siri, Siri sucks and i cant stand it and it's not really the UI is it!
My OS is not spying on my be it apple or MS, but you can elect to send the same data to apple if you want...

As of 10.11 Apple's been hoovering up plenty of user data, and just because Tim Cook smiles and say's trust me means nothing. Big difference; one is open and there are mechanisms to limit and shutdown telemetry, one just say's trust, me.

Little Snitch will easily reveal just how many servers your Mac is connecting to. Those with concerns for Windows 10, Spybot Antibeacon one of many. Personally I use Cortana, as I find it useful, equally I know what to do should I need to cut off the system to MS etc. Lot of the options are built directly into Windows you just need to turn them off, just the same as macOS...

Q-6

 

[0989383]

That's another thing OP, you'd lose your privacy!

If macOS was half as bad as Windows 10 for Privacy issues, then the internet community would spark equal outrage.. I see a LOT of loyal, technical Windows users on YouTube in fury over it. Their Mac counterparts with deep knowledge would equally spark outrage if there was any meat on the bone of the matter..

 

[Queen6]

i really wonder what you do on your macos computer Q-6 !
can you elaborate what you do, which apps crash and on what hardware you are running macos?
from my point of view macos is very stable!
if you use some crappy hackintosh... ohhhkkay....

No I am using 12" 13" 15" Retina Mac's, yours don't crash as your usage and workflow differ, you may or may not push as much data through machines or multitask as heavily. As for what I do, I am a consultant quality engineer in the energy industry. As for specifics not going get into that one on a public forum, what I will say it's Apple's own applications that prove to be the most unstable under heavy load.

As for Hacintosh's just no as it would very likely infringe on the majority of my contracts, requiring licensed software and open for audit.

Q-6

 

[0989383]

Back in 2012 when I got my MacBook Pro with it's 3rd Gen i5 my 3D models on SketchUp got to a set point where the Mac struggled to load all of the detail....

Five years later, 7th gen i5 Windows 10 hardware.. and the same models - last modified March 2013 - struggle to run..

Windows 10? Stability?

Here's a good test. On your Mac with SSD, open Applications and launch ALL apps at once. It'll smoothly do the job. Find a way to do it on Windows and watch it melt before crashing .. lol

 

[raqball]

As of 10.11 Apple's been hoovering up plenty of user data, and just because Tim Cook smiles and say's trust me means nothing. Big difference; one is open and there are mechanisms to limit and shutdown telemetry, one just say's trust, me.

Little Snitch will easily reveal just how many servers your Mac is connecting to. Those with concerns for Windows 10, Spybot Antibeacon one of many. Personally I use Cortana, as I find it useful, equally I know what to do should I need to cut off the system to MS etc. Lot of the options are built directly into Windows you just need to turn them off, just the same as macOS...

Q-6

Yeah it's really kind of laughable how sneaky Apple is and how trusting many users are... A few minutes of actual research might make people 2nd guess their thoughts on the matter..

Most just choose to live in lala land however and that's fine as long as they don't try and preach how Apple is different..

 

[0989383]

Yeah it's really kind of laughable how sneaky Apple is and how trusting many users are... A few minutes of actual research might make people 2nd guess their thoughts on the matter..

Most just choose to live in lala land however and that's fine as long as they don't try and preach how Apple is different..

You should really make more effort in proving your points raqball..

 

[raqball]

LOL

If someone knows what they are doing then there is no need to type for an hour and a half to explain it now is there?

If someone truly wants help then I'll go out of my way to do so.. Big difference between trolling and wanting help...

 

[Queen6]

Yeah it's really kind of laughable how sneaky Apple is and how trusting many users are... A few minutes of actual research might make people 2nd guess their thoughts on the matter..

Most just choose to live in lala land however and that's fine as long as they don't try and preach how Apple is different..

Same on both sides, all is on by default with the users opted in. Personally I believe it should be the very opposite regardless of the OS provider. I don't care for it, equally I appreciate some of the things Cortana can accomplish for me while my hands are full elsewhere. One just needs to be mindful of the capabilities and the balance of one's privacy...

What I do is shut it all down, then allow on a case by case basis, so that way I achieve the functionality I want, with the minimum of telemetry.

Q-6

 

[0989383]

LOL

If someone knows what they are doing then there is no need to type for an hour and a half to explain it now is there?

If someone truly wants help then I'll go out of my way to do so.. Big difference between trolling and wanting help...

You're probably on the same butthurt boat as me with the Lenovo. Except you're in denial and I'm in acceptance ;-)

But one thing's for sure, these Lenovo's drop in value like bricks. I tried to sell mine, 0 interest.

So I'm resentfully using Windows 10.. so hope that makes you smile lol

 

[Queen6]

Back in 2012 when I got my MacBook Pro with it's 3rd Gen i5 my 3D models on SketchUp got to a set point where the Mac struggled to load all of the detail....

Five years later, 7th gen i5 Windows 10 hardware.. and the same models - last modified March 2013 - struggle to run..

Windows 10? Stability?

Here's a good test. On your Mac with SSD, open Applications and launch ALL apps at once. It'll smoothly do the job. Find a way to do it on Windows and watch it melt before crashing .. lol

Honesty why don't you just go back to a Mac, you clearly dislike and don't get on with Windows, nor have a good grasp on it. Noted for being direct, vibe I get is you really want mac, equally they are very far from being the cheapest of options.

This thing with opening up all App's one of the sales guy's did that in my local Apple Store about 4/6 months back, I was just laughing at him, so completely irrelevant. Windows machine will likely do the exactly the same as long as it has an equally fast NVME SSD.

Sorry not being funny, however if you think thats a stability test, your way off the the mark. Stability is running day on day, week on week consecutively under load without app or system failure, most importantly error or loss of data.

Q-6

 

[raqball]

You're probably on the same butthurt boat as me with the Lenovo. Except you're in denial and I'm in acceptance ;-)

But one thing's for sure, these Lenovo's drop in value like bricks. I tried to sell mine, 0 interest.

So I'm resentfully using Windows 10.. so hope that makes you smile lol

Not in the least bit.. I absolutely love the X1 Carbon and in my opinion it flat out demolishes the MacBook Pro at just about every level...

All laptops drop like bricks... There were people trying to sell 2016 MacBook Pro's BNIB a few months ago that could not even get $1100 for them, even less now.... Loss of resale value has nothing to do with Lenovo, X1C, Surface Book, MacBook Pro ect it's just the way electronics go.. They drop even more after you open it and power it on...

I don't know why you continue to make sensational claims that are flat out false...

 

[0989383]

Never had any issue getting great prices on my Macs when they were years old.

Apple have their problems too, they're just far from the level of problems with Windows 10

 

[raqball]

Apple have their problems too, they're just far from the level of problems with Windows 10

There is a difference between problems and inexperience / lack of wanting to learn...

My .02

 

[0989383]

There is a difference between problems and inexperience / lack of wanting to learn...

My .02

Correct. But my point is completely unaffected by that comment.. You don't seem to illustrate the points you make to the point where any typical reader can make sense of them?!

 

[raqball]

Correct. But my point is completely unaffected by that comment.. You don't seem to illustrate the points you make to the point where any typical reader can make sense of them?!

I've been pretty clear without giving dissertation type responses.. If you don't understand what I've been telling you over several different threads then maybe instead of attacking, ask for clarification. I assume most users have at least a basic understanding... My bad!

Meh, this is pointless and going in circles. Most of the issues you rail about were of your own creation, lack of wanting to learn and a lack of wanting any help when offered...

Look if you want to get the most out of your system then ask for help as at this point we are getting nowhere..

You complained that you had to reinstall Windows after you nuked it. This was user error yet you blame everyone and everything but yourself. The machine and the OS did exactly what you told it to do. I can go on and list several other issues you had (all user error / lack of understanding / lack of asking) but why bother at this point?

You complain about privacy yet you fail to ask for any help in removing / blocking the privacy items you don't want... Everything you want to accomplish is doable but when you are offered help you attack the person offering it, you attack the OS and you attack the machine..

Until you ask for specific help I am done even responding to you as it's pretty clear what is going on here..

 

[0989383]

I've been pretty clear without giving dissertation type responses.. If you don't understand what I've been telling you over several different threads then maybe instead of attacking, ask for clarification. I assume most users have at least a basic understanding... My bad!

Meh, this is pointless and going in circles. Most of the issues you rail about were of your own creation, lack of wanting to learn and a lack of wanting any help when offered...

Look if you want to get the most out of your system then ask for help as at this point we are getting nowhere..

You complained that you have to reinstall Windows after you nuked it. This was user error yet you blame everyone and everything but yourself. The machine and the OS did exactly what you told it to do.

You complain about privacy yet you fail to ask for any help is removing the privacy items you don't want... Everything you want to accomplish is doable but when you are offered help you attack the person offering it, you attack the OS and you attack the machine..

Until you ask for specific help I am done even responding to you as it's pretty clear what is going on here..

I want to learn, but the so called 'Windows is great' team including yourself doesn't seem to elaborate. Saying, Windows is great and you're wrong is a lot less helpful than educating me and similar minded people on how to fix it and why they're wrong not just that they are wrong. You don't seem to actually instruct much on how to do these solutions.

So far the re-attempt at Windows 10 is going well. But my problem is simply that the user needs to do all this crap for a decent experience. Things which I need to Google. Or requires your experience or whatever, on the Mac you don't need that step. That's why I say it's so bad.
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I want to learn, but the so called 'Windows is great' team including yourself doesn't seem to elaborate. Saying, Windows is great and you're wrong is a lot less helpful than educating me and similar minded people on how to fix it and why they're wrong not just that they are wrong. You don't seem to actually instruct much on how to do these solutions.

So far the re-attempt at Windows 10 is going well. But my problem is simply that the user needs to do all this crap for a decent experience. Things which I need to Google. Or requires your experience or whatever, on the Mac you don't need that step. That's why I say it's so bad.

In defence of Windows 10, I was able to make my new avatar with one of the high tech Windows 10 software packages.. as a wise man once said, "Pretty cool, huh?"

 

[SteveJUAE]

And I suppose Windows advantages are profound and practical?

Arbitrary statement without any true meaning. I would argue that you don't have the workflow to appreciate all the advantages of the macOS system, so you see real benefits solely as bragging rights, not capable of understanding their value. What one man interprets as silly numbers, the other reads as mathematical formulae. Same with good design.

As for Windows, it is a solid OS that somehow always finds clever ways to get in my way. One of the biggest advantages of macOS, for me at least, is that it doesn't annoy the **** out of me.
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Since you said it, then it must be true.
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Don't be silly now no one said W10 or MacOS was perfect

As been iterated many times now the MBP is aimed at a very small minority of professional users. As I am not in the video or photo arts industry the applicability is even less for me personally. However that does not mean I cannot appreciate for this minority some specific advantages of the MacOS/MBP has particularly with just one piece of software

Given that the bulk of MBP users do not use these high end features on a regular basis, if at all, they are simply bragging rights which can equally be true for Windows laptops

Ios and MacOS annoy the heck out of me I want a stable and suitable platform for my profession and sadly MacOS is not that, but Mac hardware can be, but is getting limited on each new iteration

No need to take my word on the dominace of Windows its a simple Google click away
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The Mac requires less hardware.

This is not true MS have had a good initative to enable W10 to run on very light hardware

EG:

• Processor: 1 gigahertz (GHz) or faster.
• RAM: 1 gigabyte (GB) (32-bit) or 2 GB (64-bit)
• Free hard disk space: 16 GB.
• Graphics card: Microsoft DirectX 9 graphics device with WDDM driver.

Apple never listed thier minimum specs, just compatable and non compatables devices

 

[aevan]

Sorry not being funny, however if you think thats a stability test, your way off the the mark. Stability is running day on day, week on week consecutively under load without app or system failure, most importantly error or loss of data.

Q-6

Are you kidding? Most Windows PCs can't even wake from one sleep cycle properly (including brand name ones), most PCs at work BSOD on a regular basis and even if they would manage not to crash "day on day", they would probably decide to install an update or two, erasing all active content in the process. All PC users I know shut down their computers at the end of the day.

I don't really know what you base all this "Windows stability" on, but we have hundreds of PCs (and with some solid hardware inside) running Creative Update of Windows 10 in my studio and none of them are even close to being stable. Honestly, my experience with Windows is directly opposite to what you're saying, it really is. Several of you guys come here and say these things about Windows stability and superiority every day and I think you're coming from a parallel universe. Nothing against you personally, but all I see is you guys saying how Windows is better because you say it is.

 

[altair7]

Are you kidding? Most Windows PCs can't even wake from one sleep cycle properly (including brand name ones), most PCs at work BSOD on a regular basis and even if they would manage not to crash "day on day", they would probably decide to install an update or two, erasing all active content in the process. All PC users I know shut down their computers at the end of the day.

I don't really know what you base all this "Windows stability" on, but we have hundreds of PCs (and with some solid hardware inside) running Creative Update of Windows 10 in my studio and none of them are even close to being stable. Honestly, my experience with Windows is directly opposite to what you're saying, it really is. Several of you guys come here and say these things about Windows stability and superiority every day and I think you're coming from a parallel universe. Nothing against you personally, but all I see is you guys saying how Windows is better because you say it is.

That kind of nonsense hasn't been true about windows for a decade. I never have to shut down any of my machines (windows or otherwise). Nobody at work has to shut down their machines at night. As for a BSOD, I've seen only one this year. Now the forced reboot for updates is a legitimate gripe that I have.

 

[ApolloBoy]

That kind of nonsense hasn't been true about windows for a decade. I never have to shut down any of my machines (windows or otherwise). Nobody at work has to shut down their machines at night. As for a BSOD, I've seen only one this year. Now the forced reboot for updates is a legitimate gripe that I have.

I keep both my desktop and Dell laptop constantly running (although the Dell goes to sleep when not being used of course) and I've never had an issue with either of them crashing. Never even had that problem with the computers I used at work running Windows 7.

 

[SteveJUAE]

Are you kidding? Most Windows PCs can't even wake from one sleep cycle properly (including brand name ones), most PCs at work BSOD on a regular basis and even if they would manage not to crash "day on day", they would probably decide to install an update or two, erasing all active content in the process. All PC users I know shut down their computers at the end of the day.

I don't really know what you base all this "Windows stability" on, but we have hundreds of PCs (and with some solid hardware inside) running Creative Update of Windows 10 in my studio and none of them are even close to being stable. Honestly, my experience with Windows is directly opposite to what you're saying, it really is. Several of you guys come here and say these things about Windows stability and superiority every day and I think you're coming from a parallel universe. Nothing against you personally, but all I see is you guys saying how Windows is better because you say it is.

I think all you are observing is poor house keeping and bad IT department polices IMO

Take any system and allow users to put and junk on it your asking for trouble

Given Windows is far more diverse and has a much greater software libiary you could say it is more prone to abuse especially for those who have large gaming libary's as those applications take over many resources to max out performance. As for for 3rd parties cheap or free software out there don't blame the OS due to poor developers software

For normal day to day productivity and use of professional packages in a work enviroment with good polices there should be no issues for any OS depending on the network size and complexity

 

[Queen6]

That kind of nonsense hasn't been true about windows for a decade. I never have to shut down any of my machines (windows or otherwise). Nobody at work has to shut down their machines at night. As for a BSOD, I've seen only one this year. Now the forced reboot for updates is a legitimate gripe that I have.

Exactly I'll get back to him later today, is as you state nonsense. Since W7 SP3 Windows has been a robust OS.

As reiterated over and over it's a personal choice if permissable dictated by usage and workflow; heavy engineering, geological interpretation, statistical analysis versus the creative hand.

In no uncertain ways am I looking to take anything away from aevan as he has a talent I can never hope to replicate, what I am exemplifying is the difference and the gap in macOS.

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[aevan]

That kind of nonsense hasn't been true about windows for a decade. I never have to shut down any of my machines (windows or otherwise). Nobody at work has to shut down their machines at night. As for a BSOD, I've seen only one this year. Now the forced reboot for updates is a legitimate gripe that I have.

Yes, and whenever I mention this to my Windows friends they all say the same: "it never happens to me".

I can only speak from my personal experience. We have a lot of PCs and a lot of Macs in the studio. Some of the PCs are custom built, Intel CPUs and Nvidia graphics, others are laptops from Lenovo, HP and Dell. People can't install software on them or modify the system - they come, they log in, open Photoshop or Unreal or 3dsmax and work. That's it. No exotic software, no exotic hardware. And yet, there are always issues, Windows always gets bloated after a few months, slows down to a crawl, crashes, it's a mess.

Especially after the Creators Update, things are getting hectic - slowdowns, crashes, BSODs. On the other hand, Macs are mostly MacBook Pros used by programmers, they run all kinds of beta stuff there to test and do their magic - I am yet to see one of these crash.

Now, this is just my experience. I am not claiming Mac is more stable - I am claiming it depends on usage, apps, hardware, etc. This is all anecdotal evidence. Computers are complex machines and I do believe all of you Windows fans here are having a good experience with the platform, but Windows is FAR from stable.

You're practically spreading misinformation here. What you're saying is probably true in your case, but not in mine. Faaaaar from it. And whenever I mention the issues I have, Windows Defenders are here to tell me that I am somehow to blame. "Your computers are poorly managed", "It never happens to me", "You must've ****ed something up". Well, guess what - our Macs are equally managed and mistreated and they never exhibit this kind of **** Windows is giving us.

Again, Windows is a good OS. I do think Win 10 is the best Windows yet and it's a solid alternative to macOS. But you guys are definitely going overboard here with macOS instability and Windows superiority stories. And you guys are doing it in a such condescending, insulting way to everyone else, it's really tiring. (all those "haha, you're so naive" type of comments). Honestly, it feels like trolling to me. I don't want to insult anyone, but that's what it looks like.
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I think all you are observing is poor house keeping and bad IT department polices IMO

I don't think our housekeeping is bad, but whatever it is, it is exactly the same on our Macs and yet they don't have these issues and are far more stable. As I said, everytime I mention the issues we're having with Windows, there's always someone to tell me that it's somehow our fault.

There is always this group of people that tries to convince me not to trust my own eyes.

 

[altair7]

Yes, and whenever I mention this to my Windows friends they all say the same: "it never happens to me".

I can only speak from my personal experience. We have a lot of PCs and a lot of Macs in the studio. Some of the PCs are custom built, Intel CPUs and Nvidia graphics, others are laptops from Lenovo, HP and Dell. People can't install software on them or modify the system - they come, they log in, open Photoshop or Unreal or 3dsmax and work. That's it. No exotic software, no exotic hardware. And yet, there are always issues, Windows always gets bloated after a few months, slows down to a crawl, crashes, it's a mess.

Especially after the Creators Update, things are getting hectic - slowdowns, crashes, BSODs. On the other hand, Macs are mostly MacBook Pros used by programmers, they run all kinds of beta stuff there to test and do their magic - I am yet to see one of these crash.

Now, this is just my experience. I am not claiming Mac is more stable - I am claiming it depends on usage, apps, hardware, etc. This is all anecdotal evidence. Computers are complex machines and I do believe all of you Windows fans here are having a good experience with the platform, but Windows is FAR from stable.

You're practically spreading misinformation here. What you're saying is probably true in your case, but not in mine. Faaaaar from it. And whenever I mention the issues I have, Windows Defenders are here to tell me that I am somehow to blame. "Your computers are poorly managed", "It never happens to me", "You must've ****ed something up". Well, guess what - our Macs are equally managed and mistreated and they never exhibit this kind of **** Windows is giving us.

Again, Windows is a good OS. I do think Win 10 is the best Windows yet and it's a solid alternative to macOS. But you guys are definitely going overboard here with macOS instability and Windows superiority stories. And you guys are doing it in a such condescending, insulting way to everyone else, it's really tiring. (all those "haha, you're so naive" type of comments). Honestly, it feels like trolling to me. I don't want to insult anyone, but that's what it looks like.
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I don't think our housekeeping is bad, but whatever it is, it is exactly the same on our Macs and yet they don't have these issues and are far more stable. As I said, everytime I mention the issues we're having with Windows, there's always someone to tell me that it's somehow our fault.

There is always this group of people that tries to convince me not to trust my own eyes.

What models are failing when upgrading to the Creators Update?

 

[aevan]

What models are failing when upgrading to the Creators Update?

Our custom built computers mostly, but these worked fine before and they have very regular components. Also, one XPS 15" can't wake from sleep since the update (blank screen) - I guess a clean reinstall would fix the issue, but still.

I am not being scientific here, I just noticed that we had several cases of bluescreens lately.

Also, our modellers have been complaining that 3dsmax is laggy after the Creators Update. Not sure who to blame here, but we are having issues and had them for a while.

Again, I am not trying to prove anything here. If Windows works fine for you, great. I'm just saying I find it a bit annoying when I read how Windows is amazing and I've been wrestling with it for years.

What always amazes me with Windows, and 10 is no different, how after a few months it always slows down, grows in size (I am constantly dripping free space on Windows even though I am not installing anything new and I am often cleaning temp files manually, still it doesn't help).

I've had my fare share of macOS annoyances. But on the worst day it's just as bad as Windows, most of the time it works much better - and that's not even counting all the user experience benefits (Microsoft still doesn't know how to make a good user interface for anything).

I like MS, I kinda like Windows and I am looking forward to the new 'Fluid' design, but the amount of fairy tales told here is getting ridiculous.