What would I miss going from Mac back to pc?

[Queen6]

It's really kind of sad to see how far Apple has fallen in the computer segment.. Their current offerings, as you correctly said, are suited to a minority of users and I agree. I will add that they are also intended for those in the fashion conscious Starbucks crowd..

I believe Apple wants to, and will, kill the Mac at some point.. What Apple really wants to do is sell iPhones and iPads. Macbooks are now an afterthought..

I doubt Apple will kill the Mac, although I do feel they may have been testing the waters with the abandonment of the hardware of recent years. Apple is becoming a more lifestyle focused company, that's about about consumer products.

Apple's hardware is well executed, equally the design language can and is negatively impacting some. Quality is becoming difficult to define as we do observe an increase in issue on the forum, equally only Apple knows the numbers.

I do strongly agree Apple would rather focus on IOS devices as they are easier & cheaper to design and produce with likely higher margins, with a much more controlled environment. Something Apple has always striven for.

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[raqball]

I think they'd love to kill the mac.. It will be interesting to see how the iPad progresses as the closer and closer it gets to becoming a replacement for the mac, the closer the mac is to it's death...

 

[iMi]

I think they'd love to kill the mac.. It will be interesting to see how the iPad progresses as the closer and closer it gets to becoming a replacement for the mac, the closer the mac is to it's death...

If Mac dies, I am done wth Apple.

 

[altair7]

Also back to the OPs question.

As a developer here is what I still miss:

• BetterTouchTool and the programmable gestures. I haven't found an equivalent for my xps.
• The application look and feel is still a little better though it is nowhere near as much of a gap as it was.
• I still prefer scp and ssh to using windows file shares and Enter-Pssession.

Here is what I missed but found a solution after time:

• A useful command line. Conemu solved all of my windows console problems. I can resize the window, copy/paste, change the colors and fonts without any issues. It also has tabs which is very necessary for me.
• Fonts. Some of the default fonts for developers aren't very good. After much research I found Dejavu Sans Mono and Meslo LG as my replacement monospace fonts.

These two solutions made Windows work well for me for software development. Most of the applications that I use nowadays are cross platform or have reasonable equivalents so I haven't had any issues there.

 

[SteveJUAE]

It's really kind of sad to see how far Apple has fallen in the computer segment.. Their current offerings, as you correctly said, are suited to a minority of users and I agree. I will add that they are also intended for those in the fashion conscious Starbucks crowd..

I believe Apple wants to, and will, kill the Mac at some point.. What Apple really wants to do is sell iPhones and iPads. Macbooks are now an afterthought..

My post was written with a good dose of sarcasm due to the previous posting

MBP remain a very nice device for the market segment they are aimed at or those that cannot give up macOS

Not sure they will die that easy look how long they have milked the MBA and if they can imbed some sort of IOS mode in to macOS there maybe an easy extra revenue generator in-line with other goals that could justify touch on a Mac

 

[Partron22]

None of my AppleScripts work on the Widows side of life.

 

[0989383]

No matter how good PC build quality has gotten - and it is an improvement (when you spend Mac money) - it'll never match or be superior to the Mac's hardware. One could argue you get superior specs inside, but again, you'd need double the specs to match a Mac in system performance anyway. Especially in laptops with 15W processors these days that couldn't match the power of a hamster in a wheel unless plugged in and used inside a freezer.

 

[Queen6]

No matter how good PC build quality has gotten - and it is an improvement (when you spend Mac money) - it'll never match or be superior to the Mac's hardware. One could argue you get superior specs inside, but again, you'd need double the specs to match a Mac in system performance anyway. Especially in laptops with 15W processors these days that couldn't match the power of a hamster in a wheel unless plugged in and used inside a freezer.

Hilarious, nor is the baiting working, especially given the nTB MBP "only" has a 15W CPU. The real magic's in the hands of the user not the OS or the hardware provider, you'll work that one out eventually...

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[scoobs69]

If Mac dies, I am done wth Apple.

If the Mac dies, there's no reason to stay in the Apple Ecosystem. For us it would be buh-bye to the iPhone and iPad. The iPad will never replace workstation for me. The connectivity and file transfers are slow and sucky.

I would doubt Apple would totally kill off the Mac. They'll at least keep their laptops in the fold so people can dock and back-up their mobile devices, and have a place to store their digital libraries.

For most people/office environments, the Laptop is the perfect workstation.

The place my wife works, 90% of the people don't get desktop machines. Everyone gets a laptop workstation, and they're required to bring their workstations/laptops home every night. The employees have an option to use a PC or MacBook Pro. The vast majority use PC. My wife was one of the few who requested a MacBook Pro. But it took her three years to get it.

There is a lot of opportunity for Apple in these environments.

 

[Queen6]

If the Mac dies, there's no reason to stay in the Apple Ecosystem. For us it would be buh-bye to the iPhone and iPad. The iPad will never replace workstation for me. The connectivity and file transfers are slow and sucky.

I would doubt Apple would totally kill off the Mac. They'll at least keep their laptops in the fold so people can dock and back-up their mobile devices, and have a place to store their digital libraries.

For most people/office environments, the Laptop is the perfect workstation.

The place my wife works, 90% of the people don't get desktop machines. Everyone gets a laptop workstation, and they're required to bring their workstations/laptops home every night. The employees have an option to use a PC or MacBook Pro. The vast majority use PC. My wife was one of the few who requested a MacBook Pro. But it took her three years to get it.

There is a lot of opportunity for Apple in these environments.

Sadly with no drive from Apple, just thinner toys for the sake of it, sacrificing usability & reliability. Apple simply want to appeal to a set audience, equally it's driving it's professional users away IMHO.

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[scoobs69]

Sadly with no drive from Apple, just thinner toys for the sake of it, sacrificing usability & reliability. Apple simply want to appeal to a set audience, equally it's driving it's professional users away IMHO.

Q-6

A lot of updated business/office environments don't need wired connectivity anymore. In the case of my wife's office, it's easy to connect via wifi. They could get by with one thunderbolt port for connecting to a larger display, and one charging port. They work either live off the server, or directly on their laptops, then back-up their work to their servers, which can be accessed remotely.

The designers and developers who do the heavy lifting and need a wired connection to the servers, use PC workstations.

 

[skaertus]

No matter how good PC build quality has gotten - and it is an improvement (when you spend Mac money) - it'll never match or be superior to the Mac's hardware. One could argue you get superior specs inside, but again, you'd need double the specs to match a Mac in system performance anyway. Especially in laptops with 15W processors these days that couldn't match the power of a hamster in a wheel unless plugged in and used inside a freezer.

This is certainly an overstatement. To say that a PC will never match or be superior to a Mac's hardware may not be true. Macs have really good build quality, but that is not Apple's monopoly. Any PC maker can come out of the blue and deliver a PC which is as good as a Mac or even superior from a build quality standpoint. There are already PCs with very good build quality, and some are improving.

Also, as for system performance, I guess it depends on what you are talking about. I do not see macOS as being this superior to Windows. As a matter of fact, it seems to me macOS scaling pushes the hardware much more than Windows scaling (you may argue macOS scaling system is better, but it also consumes much more of the video power of the machine). And low-powered laptops (such as those with 15W processors and lower) are the ones which suffer more from that.

 

[mrex]

No matter how good PC build quality has gotten - and it is an improvement (when you spend Mac money) - it'll never match or be superior to the Mac's hardware. One could argue you get superior specs inside, but again, you'd need double the specs to match a Mac in system performance anyway. Especially in laptops with 15W processors these days that couldn't match the power of a hamster in a wheel unless plugged in and used inside a freezer.

buy a better pc on next time and come back here later again... and dont double anything, just get a high end machine that works...

if i had to choose, there is no question at all which one to choose. lucky i can use both and also the suberior mbpr 2016..

 

[scoobs69]

No matter how good PC build quality has gotten - and it is an improvement (when you spend Mac money) - it'll never match or be superior to the Mac's hardware. One could argue you get superior specs inside, but again, you'd need double the specs to match a Mac in system performance anyway. Especially in laptops with 15W processors these days that couldn't match the power of a hamster in a wheel unless plugged in and used inside a freezer.

Wait! What?!? I'm thoroughly confused. You need to double the specs of a PC to match a Mac system in performance? Try, you need to pay nearly double the price of a PC for lesser performance for the Mac Pro.

Ok. Maybe at one time apple's build quality was significantly better if you're comparing the Mac Pro to a little $1,200 consumer Compaq, HP or Dell you pick off the shelf at Best Buy.

When the iMac Pro comes out, you'll need to pay $5,000 to come reasonably close to the performance of a $3,000 PC.

The current Mac Pro, performance wise, is so far behind, it's not even funny anymore. The 8-core Mac Pro with 256GB PCIe drive, 16GB Ram and the old dual FirePro D700 GPU is still priced at $4,000 new (this is after Apple dropped the price by $1,000 in May of 2017) -- and the 7820x 8-core build with 32GB of RAM and fast 500GB NVMe drive with the Radeon RX 570 I have in my pcpartpicker list tops at $2,200.

I couldn't care less about Xeon and ECC memory, it doesn't matter to me, nor 90% of the people who use their computers for work. If you absolutely need a Xeon and ECC memory, sure. Then the price is worth it. Regardless; the performance is still significantly slower.

As for the rest of Apple hardware - the iMac and MacBook Pro use the same (cough-cough) consumer grade i7 and memory components as consumer PCs. Apple just custom designed a MOB and GPU to stuff it in the tiny spaces of their iMacs and Laptops.

The other misnomer is believing Apple's build quality is superior. This why I find the Porsche comparison (in this thread: https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...ench-ahead-of-december-launch.2078225/page-11) to be laughable. It's just not true.

So really - I'm entirely confuzzled by your comment.

 

[throAU]

It's not as simple as that anymore

Actually, its still pretty legit if you scratch beneath the surface of Windows.

It's just a prettier UI and libraries on top of the same garbage from 20 years ago, except now you have mandatory telemetry and reboots when Microsoft dictate you must reboot to install updates.

(been running, administering and deploying Win10 in various forms since release - including building the deployment infrastructure for our business, so don't start with the "you just haven't used it" crap)

 

[SteveJUAE]

Actually, its still pretty legit if you scratch beneath the surface of Windows.

It's just a prettier UI and libraries on top of the same garbage from 20 years ago, except now you have mandatory telemetry and reboots when Microsoft dictate you must reboot to install updates.

(been running, administering and deploying Win10 in various forms since release - including building the deployment infrastructure for our business, so don't start with the "you just haven't used it" crap)

Funny many have been scratching under the surface for 20 years and it still is the dominant Full OS by far

As to update policies these are totally controlled by our IT department by deferrals, pausing etc etc we have no control over this even down to scheduling I have never seen a driver update in at work. Very occasionally we are requested to leave our PC's on at night but this usually occurs on a major change like swapping out Lotus notes to Outlook or a major change in Office

I'm sure there are some critical updates that even our IT can't ignore for long but these are paused and tested prior to general release so I am told. I doubt many companies would ignore some updates regardless but deployment is controllable by our IT

What I do on my personal laptop is a far cry from our work PC's/laptops but even then for those that are concerned can use scheduling and other settings if they wish

For many normal users they believe they are being cared for only a few wingers seem to make a fuss, for most it's a welcomed or relatively transparent servicing

 

[throAU]

Funny many have been scratching under the surface for 20 years and it still is the dominant Full OS by far

And Hyundai is more popular than Mercedes... iOS is more popular than Windows...

Microsoft are literally giving away Windows 10 and it's still not overtaken Windows 7 in popularity - for a variety of legitimate reasons.

 

[OneMike]

Actually, its still pretty legit if you scratch beneath the surface of Windows.

It's just a prettier UI and libraries on top of the same garbage from 20 years ago, except now you have mandatory telemetry and reboots when Microsoft dictate you must reboot to install updates.

(been running, administering and deploying Win10 in various forms since release - including building the deployment infrastructure for our business, so don't start with the "you just haven't used it" crap)

I don’t agree with you, but you’re entitled to your opinion so cool.

 

[SteveJUAE]

And Hyundai is more popular than Mercedes... iOS is more popular than Windows...

Microsoft are literally giving away Windows 10 and it's still not overtaken Windows 7 in popularity - for a variety of legitimate reasons.

Don't forget that Android is more popular than iOS just to complete your cycle

Given Mac's are 85% used by non professionals swapping back to PC running Win10 which is probably more suitable for this user group is fine

I agree many companies still run windows 7 server for a variety of legitimate reasons

macOS has been free for some years now and got know where, maybe MS should not copy this then although it is free for life

 

[kazmac]

If Mac dies, I am done wth Apple.

^ THIS.

That said, Safari has been rather unstable/quirky lately. It's almost at Mavericks levels of Arrrggghhh!

I realize having a spinner for storage on my iMac is part of it's beach ball blanket bingo (also with Anti-Virus running in the background which probably isn't helping Safari.)

For me, when Macs work I do not have to think about my computer - which is great. I just want to use my Mac and eventually create on it again. Someone said Macs are for less technical people, that's probably true in my case. I'd miss that ease of use and not thinking about the computer on a PC.

Windows: Had to buy a W10 laptop for Office practice. Now that I've disabled Cortana and - I hope - all of the data mining in Windows 10, it's slightly more acceptable. I've had more than a few freak outs with Office though (more than on the Mac.) Five weeks in, W10 not a system I'd use as my daily driver at home. I realize, whether I like it or not, if Apple keeps dropping the ball with their hardware and software and increasing the price, my Apple preference may change.

Most of the software I rely on is cross platform: I'd miss Pixelmator like crazy, but just about everything else I use for work and play is available on both.

 

[Hanson Eigilson]

None of my AppleScripts work on the Widows side of life.

haha sometimes you get surprised, i miss windows for the exact opposite reason, applescript seems is so weak and impossible to debug compared to windows alternatives, and aren't they phasing out applescript?