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Correct...And anything you say in response to the new MBP is anecdotal commentary that is founded on nothing but anecdotal data you read on MR. Which puts anything you say regarding them loooooooooowwwwwww on the credibility scale.

And your claim that Windows laptops don't have the same reliability is also based on anecdotal evidence from the internet.
 
And your claim that Windows laptops don't have reliability is also based on anecdotal evidence from the internet.


Not really since I own a windows laptop in my home and use it side by side next to my 2016 MBP. Did you miss that detail in my response? And I never said anything about reliability, your mixing up posts.

My opinions are based on user experience. Boom!
 
Not really since I own a windows laptop in my home and use it side by side next to my 2016 MBP. Did you miss that detail?

My opinions are based on user experience. Boom!

So have you, for example, personally used 10,000 Dell XPS 15 9550?
 
You can already do that in Windows 10 from the Messaging app.

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Do you have to have a windows phone to use that feature? Phone wise I can't live without my iPhone ...
 
Switched to Windows 10 for business purpose; not much, seriously as long as you choose the right hardware not much at all. It not about what you will miss, it more about the avenues that will open up. All the talk of only Apple can offer a seamless computing experience is nonsense, if anything my primary Windows portable now offers a far better user experience than Apple provides.

Windows 10 is a more complex environment to work in, equally do "the math" choose the right hardware & software Windows can be a far more rewarding experience than what now Apple provides. Cortana is becoming seriously useful, while Siri remains to be dumb as a post. As for productivity, Apple has long abandoned this aspect of it`s desktop OS, in favour of emoji`s.

20+ with Apple, days are numbered methinks, tired of flogging the proverbial dead horse...

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Switched to Windows 10 for business purpose; not much, seriously as long as you choose the right hardware not much at all. It`s not about what you will miss, it`s more about the avenues that will open up. All the talk of only Apple can offer a seamless computing experience is nonsense, if anything my primary Windows portable now offers a far better user experience than Apple provides.

Windows 10 is a more complex environment to work in, equally "do the math" choose the right hardware & software Windows can be a far more rewarding experience than what now Apple provides. Cortana is becoming seriously useful, while Siri remains to be dumb as a post. As for productivity, Apple has long abandoned this aspect of it`s desktop OS, in favour of emoji`s.

20+ with Apple, days are numbered methinks, tired of flogging the proverbial dead horse...

Q-6
 
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Do you have to have a windows phone to use that feature? Phone wise I can't live without my iPhone ...

I know it works with Windows Phone and Android (with Cortana installed).

I am not sure about iPhone.
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You do realize you are arguing with a guy that has a Steve Jobs picture in his avatar on a mac centric website?

You are right.
 
My favorite part of Windows 10 is 'Edge' and how MS embedded it into a root file you have to destroy to prevent it from bugging the hell out of you in Windows 10. There is an example of how Windows is crrrrrrrrrrraaap (roll the R).BTW, weren't they sued for this back in the 90s? At least with Safari I can just opt out of it and never hear from it again..

You can defend it all you want, but from a consumer user experience there is NO comparing the two the operating systems. If I could have afforded it and thought it was worth it would have put my kids on a Mac. But they machines are so cheap it made more sense for them. You get what you pay for in life this is an immutable truth, but the law of diminishing returns varies for everyone depending on budget. If you are on a budget or used to the MS workflow, get a Windows machine and live with it. Just don't tell me it's better from a consumer perspective.

I use Windows all day for work, and when I get off it and log into my Mac it's like stepping through a portal to paradise.
 
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Bought a 2015 MBP. Tried to like it. Tried so hard to like.

Returned it to Best Buy for a Yoga that cost 75% less and I love it.

It's flawless. Reliable. Has touch screen that I never knew I would ever use.

Every time I try to like Apple as a workstation or a laptop I go back to Windows. It's just a much better experience for less money.

I know one of the most talented game programmers in the world who wouldn't dare touch a PC in 2000.

I spoke to him last week and his house is now filled with Dell PCs.
This was a huge shock. Never in a million years did I think that guy would switch from Apple. He said he lost his patience with compatibility, cost, reliability.

Windows is just so much better all around. But to each his own.
 
Bought a 2015 MBP. Tried to like it. Tried so hard to like.

Returned it to Best Buy for a Yoga that cost 75% less and I love it.

It's flawless. Reliable. Has touch screen that I never knew I would ever use.

Every time I try to like Apple as a workstation or a laptop I go back to Windows. It's just a much better experience for less money.

I know one of the most talented game programmers in the world who wouldn't dare touch a PC in 2000.

I spoke to him last week and his house is now filled with Dell PCs.
This was a huge shock. Never in a million years did I think that guy would switch from Apple. He said he lost his patience with compatibility, cost, reliability.

Windows is just so much better all around. But to each his own.
Wow. Quite a post there. Do you find you use the touchscreen regularly? When I tried the new MacBook Pro I kept accidentally touching the screen forgetting I couldn't interact with it like that and was really disappointed. It's almost a confusing message to have a touchscreen "touchbar" right below the screen you can touch as much as you want but yet the screen itself doesn't have the same kind of interaction we have on modern devices like iPads and iPhones. Even if you don't use it all the time or as a primary method of input, I'd imagine it's nice to have sometimes
 
My favorite part of Windows 10 is 'Edge' and how MS embedded it into a root file you have to destroy to prevent it from bugging the hell out of you in Windows 10. There is an example of how Windows is crrrrrrrrrrraaap (roll the R).BTW, weren't they sued for this back in the 90s? At least with Safari I can just opt out of it and never hear from it again..

You can defend it all you want, but from a consumer user experience there is NO comparing the two the operating systems. If I could have afforded it and thought it was worth it would have put my kids on a Mac. But they machines are so cheap it made more sense for them. You get what you pay for in life this is an immutable truth, but the law of diminishing returns varies for everyone depending on budget. If you are on a budget or used to the MS workflow, get a Windows machine and live with it. Just don't tell me it's better from a consumer perspective.

I use Windows all day for work, and when I get off it and log into my Mac it's like stepping through a portal to paradise.

You can use whatever browser you want.
 
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MACs though are better for non-technical people. If I had to choose between a PC and a MAC for my grandmother I would give her a MAC.

I have tried so hard to like MAC OS but it blows. I hate it. Everything about it. I will never understand why as I love Jobs and love my iPhone but MAC OS is just garbage to me. Not sure why.

I use the touch screen when I'm in bed watching media. It's awesome. I never thought I would say that. I do not see touch screen useful for a desktop for me though. I'm a mouse gurl.
 
I recently purchased a Razer Blade laptop, thinking I would switch to Windows. I returned it within three days.

The Blade is generally considered one of the better windows notebooks and while aesthetically, the laptop looks as good as a Macbook, it was honestly an all-around disappointment.
  • The build quality was nowhere near apple's, flimsy fan covers, mushy trackpad buttons, etc.
  • The keyboard is nowhere near as nice to use as my 2013 rMBP
  • OSX is simply a much more refined and pleasing experience, all around
  • The touchpad was absolutely horrible (possibly the synaptics drivers)
  • The fans were crazy loud under any load
  • The screen was just ok
  • I had zero faith in Razer support service should anything go wrong
For me what it comes down to is that the new Macbooks are overpriced, under-featured, and far from ideal. They're also significantly better than any of the competition, both due because of the OS experience, but also because of the overall user experience (touchpad and keyboard).
 
An awesome user experience, reliability, and resale value. But hey, if you want to torture yourself, be my guest.
 
One of the thing I have notice is that Windows is now more stable than macOS.

This coincide with the launch of the Windows Insider Program.

Microsoft got clever in that it makes weekly betas of Windows available for anyone to test. (Even Joe Blow can sent bug reports to MSFT).

This means that Microsoft got millions of people to do its QA for free.
 
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My favorite part of Windows 10 is 'Edge' and how MS embedded it into a root file you have to destroy to prevent it from bugging the hell out of you in Windows 10. There is an example of how Windows is crrrrrrrrrrraaap (roll the R).BTW, weren't they sued for this back in the 90s? At least with Safari I can just opt out of it and never hear from it again..

You can defend it all you want, but from a consumer user experience there is NO comparing the two the operating systems. If I could have afforded it and thought it was worth it would have put my kids on a Mac. But they machines are so cheap it made more sense for them. You get what you pay for in life this is an immutable truth, but the law of diminishing returns varies for everyone depending on budget. If you are on a budget or used to the MS workflow, get a Windows machine and live with it. Just don't tell me it's better from a consumer perspective.

I use Windows all day for work, and when I get off it and log into my Mac it's like stepping through a portal to paradise.

What was the issue with Edge... Bugging you? How? I never used it and relied on Chrome or Firefox.

I dont feel the same euphoric sense of paradise moving between the two operating systems. For me it's more like vacationing in Hawaii and choosing between the Marriott or Hilton. Both are hotels with different decor.

I feel the issues I've read here have more to do with brand loyalty. Once in a particular eco-system it becomes harder to leave. Once you live in one place for a while and you like it, it's easier to find fault with any place else.
 
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I appreciate opinions...but I guess I shouldn't have been very surprised at this valley girl "like totally ew. Windows is like SO GROSS" rhetoric.

Take the good with the bad I guess.
 
I recently purchased a Razer Blade laptop, thinking I would switch to Windows. I returned it within three days.

The Blade is generally considered one of the better windows notebooks and while aesthetically, the laptop looks as good as a Macbook, it was honestly an all-around disappointment.
  • The build quality was nowhere near apple's, flimsy fan covers, mushy trackpad buttons, etc.
  • The keyboard is nowhere near as nice to use as my 2013 rMBP
  • OSX is simply a much more refined and pleasing experience, all around
  • The touchpad was absolutely horrible (possibly the synaptics drivers)
  • The fans were crazy loud under any load
  • The screen was just ok
  • I had zero faith in Razer support service should anything go wrong
For me what it comes down to is that the new Macbooks are overpriced, under-featured, and far from ideal. They're also significantly better than any of the competition, both due because of the OS experience, but also because of the overall user experience (touchpad and keyboard).

I do admit that I've never use the Razor Blade.

That said, I doubt that the keyboard can possibly be worse than the one on the 2016 MacBook Pro.
 
What was the issue with Edge... Bugging you? How? I never used it and relied on Chrome or Firefox.

He's talking about the constant nags that pop up when you try to use a different browser. Like the one that pops on the toolbar the reminds you you could save 35% battery by using Edge (when you open a competing browser). Or if you go search for "Chrome" you get a nag ad as the first result. Or when you try to change the default browser from Edge to Chrome or something else. A nag appears guilting you into sticking with Edge.

And the nag messages hang out in the Notification Center, making sure you get one last look before manually clearing the notification.

Microsoft is begging everyone to use Edge. It's neat and they are obviously proud of it, but I'm a Chrome guy. Leave me alone Windows.
 
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He's talking about the constant nags that pop up when you try to use a different browser. Like the one that pops on the toolbar the reminds you you could save 35% battery by using Edge (when you open a competing browser). Or if you go search for "Chrome" you get a nag ad as the first result. Or when you try to change the default browser from Edge to Chrome or something else. A nag appears guilting you into sticking with Edge.

And the nag messages hang out in the Notification Center, making sure you get one last look before manually clearing the notification.

Microsoft is begging everyone to use Edge. It's neat and they are obviously proud of it, but I'm a Chrome guy. Leave me alone Windows.

I hope you don't care about battery life or your laptop running hot.
 
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