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Bit disappointed. Was expecting a bit more than "ew. I mean look at that". I know things are subjective but the way you said it made it sound like there were these clear objective...things that could be brought up

I specifically said I do not want to write a big rant. But luckily I don't have to, because even the very most casual, most ignorant of observers can conclude in seconds that the HP design is more busy and cheap looking. Did you see the gold chrome earring hoops on the hinge? Like, come on.

That is what bad design is. That's the epitome of wasteful, gaudy, loud design. It's the hardware equivalent of adding drop shadows and flares.

There's no subjectivity involved here. The design just is a lot worse.

And since Microsoft has a cleaner, more universal and versatile OS in Windows, which is at very least on par with OSX, the one thing remaining to miss from Mac to PC is the blatantly obvious drop in build quality.
 
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I specifically said I do not want to write a big rant. But luckily I don't have to, because even the very most casual, most ignorant of observers can conclude in seconds that the HP design is more busy and cheap looking. Did you see the gold chrome earring hoops on the hinge? Like, come on.

That is what bad design is. That's the epitome of wasteful, gaudy, loud design. It's the hardware equivalent of adding drop shadows and flares.

There's no subjectivity involved here. The design just is a lot worse.

And since Microsoft has a cleaner, more universal and versatile OS in Windows, which is at very least on par with OSX, the one thing remaining to miss from Mac to PC is the blatantly obvious drop in build quality.
That specific hp wasn't the one I was talking about. The one I included in the link is. Check it out. Or not. Meh
 
I specifically said I do not want to write a big rant. But luckily I don't have to, because even the very most casual, most ignorant of observers can conclude in seconds that the HP design is more busy and cheap looking. Did you see the gold chrome earring hoops on the hinge? Like, come on.

That is what bad design is. That's the epitome of wasteful, gaudy, loud design. It's the hardware equivalent of adding drop shadows and flares.

There's no subjectivity involved here. The design just is a lot worse.

And since Microsoft has a cleaner, more universal and versatile OS in Windows, which is at very least on par with OSX, the one thing remaining to miss from Mac to PC is the blatantly obvious drop in build quality.

The build quality of HP's laptops isn't at the level of Apple's MacBook, but I think they've designed some of the better looking Windows machines over the past few years (although it's clear Apple's aesthetic is a big influence). I personally find the fulcrum hinge on the Surface Book ugly, but I guess at least it's a functional design element.
 
What will you be using a PC for?
I have rMBP 2015, my first Mac and Parallels with XP,W7 and W10
Fair play I love macOS now so much I dont use Parallels too much.
Have you thought about best of both worlds - as long as you dont mind yearly Parallels upgrade and the MS software isn't to cpu intensive.
ps
we have imacs at work now and use W7 all day.
 
I frequently leave my trusty iPhone when a new Android phone pops up. I ditch my iPad and grab the latest Android model. I ditch my Mac when a sexy new Surface product is released. However, I keep coming back to the Mac/iOS world every time. Most recently, I switched my phone to a Google Pixel XL and swapped the 2015 rMBP 15" and iPad combo for a Surface Book. Here is what caused me to quickly come crawling back to Mac.

1) The trackpad - the Surface Book has a phenomenal trackpad complete with gestures that actually work and all. However, there is one thing that the Mac does that Windows has NEVER been able to master. It's the algorithm of acceleration versus accuracy of the mouse pointer. Drag your finger slowly across the entire trackpad and the cursor will move from one edge to about a 1/3 of the way across the screen. Swipe quickly across the trackpad from edge to edge, and the cursor will will cover the entire width of the screen. This allows me to quickly move the cursor to the general area I need it to be, then seamlessly switch to more fine control, precise mode when I need to click on a small item on the screen all without having to change how I am moving my finger on the trackpad. On windows, the correlation between trackpad movement and screen cursor movement is directly one to one. I have used the Dell XPS 13, all the Yoga laptops, the Surface Pro, the Surface Book and many others. None got this right. The closest anyone every got was the Thinkpad Pointing Stick (not the trackpad). This little, seemingly trivial, change makes all the difference for me.

2) iMessages/Facetime/Phone integration - I love being able to reply to text messages from my Mac. With text/SMS forwarding, I can reply to ALL text messages from the Mac, iPad and iPhone interchangeably. When a normal phone call comes in, I can answer it from my Mac, from my iPad, from my Apple Watch or from the phone itself. It just simply works every single time. It frees me from being tethered to my phone at all times. I can leave it on the charger and move freely throughout the home without fear of missing an important call or text.

3) Standby Battery Life- this has improved greatly over the years with Windows but there is something so satisfying about pulling my laptop out of my bag after a long weekend of zero user to see it has dropped from 100% to 98%. I could never achieve this with the Surface Book. The best I ever got was a 15-20% drop. And that was with turning off all the Connected Standby nonsense and putting it into hibernate mode.

4) Safari bookmark/tab syncing - I know Chrome does this too but then I'd have to use Chrome on my phone which I don't like as much as Safari. And I'm not switching from iPhone to Android.

5) OpemEMU - I don't do any gaming anymore aside from a quick game of 8 Ball Pool on my phone but, on the Mac, I love playing some old school games via emulation. On Windows, I have to install several different emulator software packages to play NES, SNES, Genesis, etc. On the Mac, I simply install OpenEMU and pop in my ROM's. One app that emulates all of my different consoles in a sweet looking package. It makes the world of emulation much easier.

I am sure there are more but these are the top five that pop to mind when I think about the pains I felt when I left the Mac platform. That isn't to say Windows doesn't have its strengths. There are MANY! But these few items outweigh the strengths as these are all features and strengths that I use very regularly. I don't want to sacrifice things I benefit from and utilize daily (see list above) for strengths of Windows that I actually don't use (like the Surface Pen, detachable tablet and the touchscreen of the Surface Book).
 
what would you miss?

nothing? everything? what do you do with your mac? i dont miss anything - and i use them both. if i had to choose one, it would be windows - without questions at all.
 
The main thing I like on laptop Mac computers is the trackpad and scrolling, as others have already cited here. Sitting down with a MacBook laptop, scrolling through documents feels natural, the machine feels like an extension of me. When I used a windows laptop about a year ago, it felt frustrating, stutters in comparison. I understand the Windows machines have improved in this regard recently, but going to the Microsoft Store and trying out the demo units, it still wasn't the same.

Macbook laptops I've owned have been more reliable, in the sense more likely to start up quickly without complaint when I open the lid and press a key. But I understand Microsoft has been investing a lot of effort in making Windows more reliable, so I wouldn't be surprised to learn they've caught up in this regard.

One thing I like about the Microsoft OS is that it treats open windows uniformly. If I want to bring up an alternate window in OS X that's in the same application I'm running, I use command ~. If I want to bring up a window being run by another application, I hit command-tab first. I still get them confused. And when I bring up the other application, it brings all the windows in that application to the front, even if I'm just want to bring up one. I prefer Window's approach of using alt-tab to scroll through all open windows.

So for me, I like Apple laptops, and Windows desktop machines.
 
Almost all current Windows laptops have displays with a 16:9 aspect ratio, which results in significantly lesser vertical space at the same (diagonal) screen size.

The MacBooks’ 16:10 screens are a big reason to stay with Apple, in my opinion!
 
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Almost all current Windows laptops have displays with a 16:9 aspect ratio, which results in significantly lesser vertical space at the same (diagonal) screen size.

The MacBooks’ 16:10 screens are a big reason to stay with Apple, in my opinion!

Surface Book (probably the best Windows laptop ever made) is 3:2 which gives even more vertical space.
 
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Just about every comment I have read here deals with personal preference and trivial nuances of each platform. Some have made those nuances into major issues for them and thus will prefer one brand of OS over another.

Here is my take.

I have been wrestling with the whole eco system thing for a while. As my needs have expanded and/or I have become more critical, my tastes have changed. I have been living in an all Apple world for more than 10 years. Not just me but my whole family including extended family here and around the country.

I recently upgraded my Time Capsule router to a NetGear. Range and speed were greatly increased. Apple does not offer a NAS product, or updated router, so I went with a NetGear NAS and router that offers time machine backups. Works flawlessly.

My wife's son who is even a more hardcore Apple fan than I am recently purchased a new AppleTV and found it to be cheap feeling, buggy, and aging. He went with a ROKU that provides better audio quality and is compatible with 4K. He too also wanted a new router. He ditched his Time Capsule for a NetGear/Synology NAS set up. Keep in mind cost was not the motivating factor here, quality, features, and compatibility with future standards is.

We both love Apple products, keep an open mind, but have found in recent days there are better alternatives.

I have an iPhone 6. I feel it does everything I need it to do, and do not have a desire or need to currently upgrade. My wife's son is still using his iPhone 5s and a maxed 2015 Macbook. He feels both suit his needs. He claims he waited for the new iPhone and Macbook with excitement, ready to upgrade, but he feels the improvements are not enough to justify the move at this time.

I have been waiting for a new Mac Mini. The 2014 refresh was disappointing to say the least. I am currently wrestling with a solution. Maybe a Hackintosh?

The moral of this story for me is this.......

Two days ago I took a spill on my mountain bike. I sliced my elbow pretty good. Fortunately my daughter in law is a doctor and she fixed me up putting strips in lieu of stitches. The next day she left town with the grandkids. My wife and I were driving in my car and my daughter in law called from her iPhone. She asked how my elbow was doing. In the car while driving she Facetimed my wife. My wife showed her my elbow. Based on what she observed via Facetime they decided there may be some infection. She called me in a prescription and I picked it up before I got home.

The convenience of using Apple products especially when those around you are part of the ecosystem just blew me away. How lucky we are to live in a time when we can get diagnosed over the phone, call in a prescription, and pick it up before getting home. FYI, that pharmacy was also great. I got a text on my iPhone letting me know it was ready. Prescription was ready in 30 minutes.

I will continue to use Apple products based on my experiences, but I will continue to seek out the best products for my use, no matter the brand or OS.
 
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Almost all current Windows laptops have displays with a 16:9 aspect ratio, which results in significantly lesser vertical space at the same (diagonal) screen size.

The MacBooks’ 16:10 screens are a big reason to stay with Apple, in my opinion!

Surface Book (probably the best Windows laptop ever made) is 3:2 which gives even more vertical space.

Same here Mac`s 16:10 display aspect ration was always a big draw for me. Surface Book`s 3:2 aspect ratio more so. The extra vertical workspace really makes a difference, icing on the cake is of course "Detach" adding another level of flexibility.

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With the 15" screen, there were few windows competitors to the MBP for my exact needs. Surface Pro was tempting, but I need the larger screen, and need more mobility than PC 'X', more battery life than Y, faster storage than Z, etc..

However, I recently moved to Apple's ecosystem from Android and Windows, and I enjoy the seamless interface between mobile and laptop. I am new to MacOS, so I cannot comment on what you are missing. However, the ability to run Windows on my Mac with Parallels or Bootcamp is a huge advantage - the majority of applications are supported, all web sites, accessories. So there is not much to miss.
 
Ha...hilarious

Hilarious that all of the world's top corporations choose windows on the desktop.

I don't think a single large company in the world (10,000+ users) could even fathom of deploying MAC OS as a standard.

Hilarious that Microsoft is clobbering Apple in so many ways.
 
Hilarious that all of the world's top corporations choose windows on the desktop.

I don't think a single large company in the world (10,000+ users) could even fathom of deploying MAC OS as a standard.

Hilarious that Microsoft is clobbering Apple in so many ways.

Ironically IBM is now using a lot of Mac`s, equally it`s not common to see Apple`s computers in major corporations, if at all.

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Well, when Win 7 came out, they said that there was no more BSOD at all. False.
I am a little bit sceptical, though Win 10 might be another case.

Not seen a single BSOD, across multiple systems since W8. W10 impresses, nor have I had the best experience in the past, hated W7 until SP# was released. It`s not for everyone as W10 is more complex, equally it now offers greater flexibility and frankly stability that exceeds my working Mac`s.

You do need to consider more what you install on the system, especially give the vast choice. Much like OS X, Windows 10 has a tremendous amount built into it, from security to multiple backup solutions all equally robust.

Also liking Cortana, as it`s genuinely getting useful, once you get the hang of it :)

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Well, I've been using windows machines for my whole life, this is my first time with an Apple machine (got my new 15" MBP a week ago), and I feel like a kid with a new toy. I've used macbook and iMacs before but never owned one, and everything seems "nicer" than on Windows, I enjoy using it, and I'm sure I'll enjoy more when I get more used to the OS, shortcuts and different stuff, since it's been manny years with windows.

For me, it'd be the ability to reply to SMS/iMessages from your Mac. It's so handy not having to reach for my phone when I'm on the MBP.

Well, I know in USA you use a lot the sms, but in manny other countries sms died long time ago, and we use whatsapp, or similar apps, and you have the desktop version aswell, for windows and Mac, so you can chat from both, phone or computer.
 
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