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There was a study published some time ago which examined frequency of repairs by laptop brand. I can't find it right now, but if I remember correctly, one of the most obvious predictors was the price. More expensive, premium laptops, were simply more reliable. Apple was obviously in the top group, but not any more reliable than Toshiba or Asus I believe.

P.S. Found it: https://www.squaretrade.com/htm/pdf/SquareTrade_laptop_reliability_1109.pdf
Its from 2009 though, so a lot could have changed since then.
 
There was a study published some time ago which examined frequency of repairs by laptop brand. I can't find it right now, but if I remember correctly, one of the most obvious predictors was the price. More expensive, premium laptops, were simply more reliable. Apple was obviously in the top group, but not any more reliable than Toshiba or Asus I believe.

P.S. Found it: https://www.squaretrade.com/htm/pdf/SquareTrade_laptop_reliability_1109.pdf
Its from 2009 though, so a lot could have changed since then.
Agreed tough call for current models although one thing is for sure with more soldered, glued and compact cases, repair bills will be more and so keeping Laptops and there like for longer that 20-24 months seems asking for trouble :D
 
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Neither of those statements are objectively true.

MacOS is better in some ways, worse in others.

Some of Apple's hardware is fantastic in a lot of ways, but not in others... The Mac Pro, for example, is a joke at this point.
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My work was the same. We had 5400 RPM hard disks, heavily encrypted, tons of company bloatware... Windows was absolutely abysmal on it. If that was my only encounter with Windows, I'd despise it.

Meanwhile on my own computers with SSDs and no crapware, Windows 7 and 10 run exceptionally well.

thanks for not quoting my full post -of having the benefits of having Windows in Parallels on a mac with macOS - so the best of both worlds.
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With regard to MacBook Pro "being a joke" please take the time to read the very well written review by the OP:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/macbook-pro-my-impressions.2022582/#post-24086721
 
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thanks for not quoting my full post -of having the benefits of having Windows in Parallels on a mac with macOS - so the best of both worlds.
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With regard to MacBook Pro "being a joke" please take the time to read the very well written review by the OP:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/macbook-pro-my-impressions.2022582/#post-24086721

I said that Mac Pro is a complete joke, as it hasn't been updated in over 3 years -- it's an example of Apple hardware not being superior, which you claimed it to be outright.

My point is that it's not always true that Apple hardware is the best, nor is it true that MacOS is the best as that's entirely subjective and specific to the tasks.

Using Windows in a VM may be a solution, but might not make sense if you don't need MacOS, which is what OP has implied.
 
I said that Mac Pro is a complete joke, as it hasn't been updated in over 3 years -- it's an example of Apple hardware not being superior, which you claimed it to be outright.

My point is that it's not always true that Apple hardware is the best, nor is it true that MacOS is the best as that's entirely subjective and specific to the tasks.

Using Windows in a VM may be a solution, but might not make sense if you don't need MacOS, which is what OP has implied.
How exactly is Mac Pro a complete joke, even though it has not been updated in 3 years?
  • 2.7GHz 12-core with 30MB of L3 cache
  • 64GB (4x16GB) of 1866MHz DDR3 ECC
What has been the advancement in CPU that is so significant since 2010? Do you know that MOST of your internet needs are being fulfilled by servers that are more than 3-4 years old? Heck even 5-6 years old, some may be even from the first generation of Intel i7 CPUs or Xeons.
 
I said that Mac Pro is a complete joke, as it hasn't been updated in over 3 years -- it's an example of Apple hardware not being superior, which you claimed it to be outright.

So what that it hadn't been updated in over three years? It is still using a very respectable Ivy Bridge EP CPUs and AMD haven't yet released anything to replace the FirePro line that it utilises. The new Mac Pro will be released around next spring/summer, most likely with the very powerful fast Vega-class GPUs.
 
i wouldn't be so sure about mac=good, win=bad anymore.
if you're fitting into apples profit scheme, there will be a computer for you.
if you don't, ie. when you need a dual xeon machine for work... what then?
for a higher profit on the mainstream models apple let go all niche markets.
so changing to windows and pcs is a must for some, when the 2012 mac pros
get too slow for work compared to windows machines.

So what that it hadn't been updated in over three years? It is still using a very respectable Ivy Bridge EP CPUs and AMD haven't yet released anything to replace the FirePro line that it utilises. The new Mac Pro will be released around next spring/summer, most likely with the very powerful fast Vega-class GPUs.

well, if apple comes to reason and builds a real pro, then things change.
but its much more likely that they stay on their prosumer route, and a new
mac pro will be again a limited, un-expandable, overpriced trashcan.
but it will be shiny.
 
I've been a Mac user since 2004 but a couple of weeks ago I bought a Surface Pro 4. It's not my main computer but I use it for work a few hours daily. Things I miss most from my Mac are:
  • The Finder. The file manager in Windows is horrible. There are no tags and no tabbed windows. There are lots of options I don't care about and almost none of them actually help me managing the files. I used to bash Finder but now I love it.
  • Small utility apps like DefaultFolderX, which is a must have for me.
  • I miss the polished apps available for macOS. Windows has a thing called Modern Apps but I found that most developers don't care about updating their apps for this new look & feel. So unless you're lucky enough to find the modern apps you can use, you're stuck with the ugly XP-style apps.
  • There are tons of software available for Windows but there are no modern email client apps like Spark or Airmail on the Mac. I use the default email app from Windows 10, it's lightweight but it works well.
Despite all of this I like Windows 10. I had no troubles with it. If you don't install garbage on it, it works as well as macOS.
 
i tried Windows 10 after being 5 years on macos and it was horrible experience. It's just doesn't work in simple way. Panel Control it's horrible, it's hard to find something. Start menu is become some sort of MALL!! TRAY WILL BE TRAY!
INSTALL AND UNINSTALL applications is in a same way as it was on windows 95, you need to go throught stupid SETUP proccess, who need that this days ????

Answering on question "What would I miss going from Mac back to pc?" --> YOU WILL BE MISSING SIMPLICITY, your time and nerves as well!

i better move on UBUNTU. it's simple and works out of box for most of the things
 
9 pages of responses and I could read them all. I'll give you my $.02

No operating system is perfect. OS X has its issues, Windows does as well.

An operating system's job is to run programs, and access files for you. Windows does this very well, and in fact it does some thing even better then OS X. For instance, playing games; you have more games to choose from and performance is better because directx is a better solution to what Apple currently offers. The file explorer imo is better then the Finder. I feel that I can better manage my files in Windows then OS X.

OS X, is more seamless and integrated with the hardware, I think its a better unified experience.

Stability-wise, both are a wash, both are just as stable.

Windows you do need more malware protection then OS X, but the world is changing and you cannot assume that a Mac is invulnerable.

Overall, its my opinion that on the hardware side Apple's competitors have leap frogged Apple and I like what they offer more then what I see on the Mac. I may get another MBP in a year or two, but for now, I'm really liking the design, performance and feel of the Surface Book. I also really enjoy the touch screen, and miss that when I transition over to my MBP that I still use.

YMMV, but I say pick the tool that best fits your needs, the way you work and your budget
 
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In short I can these.

  • Maximize button
  • delete key (as opposed to backspace)
  • the option to move or copy in the file system, using only mouse gestures
  • MS Paint, or a simple image editor for cropping, resizing
  • IE (just kidding)
 
Panel Control it's horrible, it's hard to find something.

The Settings app in Windows 10 is as easy to use as the System Preferences in macOS. You don't have to use the old Control Panel unless you're looking for advanced settings (which most people won't need).
 
I like macs in how the experience is pretty solid. It's easy to get around especially since it's based on a unix environment. If you code/develop with anything but C#/Visual Studios, the environment is painless to set up and transition between work and home. Airdrop is nice. Connecting to NAS is not. I do dislike the merging of iOS into macOS. I get the whole unified experience, but sometimes it doesnt make sense to merge mobile UX with desktop UX.

I do like how Windows as a whole feels faster. I dislike how Windows was pushing the tablet experience onto the desktop. I also dislike the registry and any kind of funky things I have to do to get certain things working

I still keep my PC for gaming. If it wasn't for gaming, I would probably be content with a mac honestly. I do think the hardware is overpriced, but this has ALWAYS been the case. It's hilarious to see people complain more so about this now. You could always build a better PC with much better hardware for the same price point than a mac. So that shouldn't be a reason currently for not using a mac unless you have been living under a rock
 
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How exactly is Mac Pro a complete joke, even though it has not been updated in 3 years?
  • 2.7GHz 12-core with 30MB of L3 cache
  • 64GB (4x16GB) of 1866MHz DDR3 ECC
What has been the advancement in CPU that is so significant since 2010? Do you know that MOST of your internet needs are being fulfilled by servers that are more than 3-4 years old? Heck even 5-6 years old, some may be even from the first generation of Intel i7 CPUs or Xeons.

Memory-wise, that's significantly slower than the memory in my current laptop, which can also take 64GB. And memory bandwidth is a real concern.

And CPU-wise... Modern CPUs would be significantly more powerful at similar TDP, or much lower TDP.

It's not a complete joke, really. It's just a complete joke at the ludicrously high premium prices they're charging for it.
 
1- OS free
2- I don't really know try it if you mess it come back
3- I am keeping my mid 2014 MBP don't like what I see in the newer once
 
The Settings app in Windows 10 is as easy to use as the System Preferences in macOS. You don't have to use the old Control Panel unless you're looking for advanced settings (which most people won't need).
Why does Windows have both Settings and Control Panel? Can't everything be consolidated? What's the excuse?

(echoing my earlier posts)
 
I've been a Mac user since 2004 but a couple of weeks ago I bought a Surface Pro 4. It's not my main computer but I use it for work a few hours daily. Things I miss most from my Mac are:
  • The Finder. The file manager in Windows is horrible. There are no tags and no tabbed windows. There are lots of options I don't care about and almost none of them actually help me managing the files. I used to bash Finder but now I love it.
  • Small utility apps like DefaultFolderX, which is a must have for me.
  • I miss the polished apps available for macOS. Windows has a thing called Modern Apps but I found that most developers don't care about updating their apps for this new look & feel. So unless you're lucky enough to find the modern apps you can use, you're stuck with the ugly XP-style apps.
  • There are tons of software available for Windows but there are no modern email client apps like Spark or Airmail on the Mac. I use the default email app from Windows 10, it's lightweight but it works well.
Despite all of this I like Windows 10. I had no troubles with it. If you don't install garbage on it, it works as well as macOS.

I largely agree with Beavix. Windows' finder isn't exactly a work of art. It offers a ton of features, but it's just not very pretty. I personally have never used tabbed windows on Mac OS, but Finder is way more visually pleasing and less finicky to use than explorer. The problem is that every time Microsoft tries to change something with the explorer, a huge s*** storm ensues as apparently, Windows users are as change resistant as Mac users :)

Didn't know DefaultFolder X - looks great but I'm weary about giving smaller devs full control over the file system. Certainly looks useful, though.

As for polished apps: really depends on the devs. I think most modern mainstream apps look and perform great on Windows, but there's a huge amount of legacy crap that looks terrible and doesn't work well. I usually have to evaluate 2-3 apps for each problem until I find one that looks good and is well-maintained. I think this probably has to do with the huge number of devs, many of which just "fire and forget" software and leave it lying around for years. The stuff you get from the Market is usually alright, though, but that one, much like Apple's App Store, mainly includes smaller stuff and games.

The E-Mail Situation is somewhat dire on Windows. The built-in client works well but lacks features, such as aliases. Then there's Outlook, which is overkill for all except the most demanding enterprise users. And there's really not much in between. Spark and Airmail, while pretty, are not the best examples, though, as both of them store your e-mail credentials somewhere on rented servers with god knows who having access to them, so that has never been an option for me anyway. Apple Mail is fairly decent and I use it on a daily basis, but it's very buggy when it comes communicating with a wide range of services. I keep getting send mail issues on all of my Macs with a variety of accounts, for example - some of them can only be resolved by rebooting the entire computer. Often Mail won't close because it's hung up on some task it's unable to complete and I have to force close it etc. It's not great, which also goes for Apple's entire range of cloud services, unfortunately. At least there, Microsoft really shines - but you can easily use all of Microsoft's cloud services on Macs as well, so that's hardly an area where Windows as an OS is ahead of macOS.

Given the the latest news about the state of disrepair macOS development is in at the moment, I think all of these points will be moot within the next 2-3 years or so. Once Apple is making everyone use an iOS-like OS, the more demanding users will be heading over to the Microsoft camp whether they like it or not. Let's hope that by then, Microsoft has fixed the finder and is forcing devs to adopt the common modern design language and scalability guidelines. Google is a good example here - Android apps were the same kind of UI mess until they put their foot down and basically told everyone to finally fix the crappy UIs. The result now is that most recent Android apps not only follow a common design, they also look fantastic. And that's even having an effect on iOS apps, as devs are carrying over the same design to iOS apps :)
 
Why does Windows have both Settings and Control Panel? Can't everything be consolidated? What's the excuse?

(echoing my earlier posts)

On both Windows and macOS there are some advanced settings which should only be used by people who know exactly what they're doing. On Windows you can find them in the Control Panel or by modifying the registry. On macOS they are completely hidden and can be accessed either by using some obscure "defaults" commands in Terminal, or by using 3rd party apps like Onyx and others.
 
well, if apple comes to reason and builds a real pro, then things change.
but its much more likely that they stay on their prosumer route, and a new
mac pro will be again a limited, un-expandable, overpriced trashcan.
but it will be shiny.

Erm, the new Mac Pro is much more expandable than the old one, they just moved to the external expandability as opposed to internal one. I have a legacy server running an old MP and a new one running the can and the new one is much more flexible.
 
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On both Windows and macOS there are some advanced settings which should only be used by people who know exactly what they're doing. On Windows you can find them in the Control Panel or by modifying the registry. On macOS they are completely hidden and can be accessed either by using some obscure "defaults" commands in Terminal, or by using 3rd party apps like Onyx and others.
That doesn't answer my question.

Why can't Windows get all of its settings into one place? Why is there a Settings "app" and also Control Panel(s)? Why can't Windows make changes to the trackpad sitting in my Dell? For that matter, why doesn't Dell's own trackpad control panel not recognize that its trackpad has five buttons?
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Erm, the new Mac Pro is much more expandable than the old one, they just moved to the external expandability as opposed to internal one. I have a legacy server running an old MP and a new one running the can and the new one is much more flexible.
+1, and I agree with the assessment that it's still a beast of a machine despite its age. Marco Arment talked about it earlier this year, but he was also hoping that the Pro would see another update.
https://marco.org/2016/11/05/world-without-mac-pro
But the competition isn’t even close.

Linux can solve some pro needs, but not most. It’s a fantastic server OS but a miserable desktop one, and that will probably never change.

Microsoft is boldly experimenting with PC hardware, but Windows and everything around Windows is woefully inferior to macOS and the Mac software ecosystem. Even if Microsoft did everything right, it would take Windows at least a decade to catch up — and they won’t do everything right.

Google’s trying something, I’m sure, but Google is both terrible at consumer software and deeply, profoundly creepy. General-purpose computing must not require us to compromise our privacy and data for advertising.

And just as nobody’s starting new general web search engines or mass-market online auction sites today, nobody else is going to make a viable general-purpose PC OS anymore. The minimum bar is too high. We’re stuck with the few we have for the long haul.
 
Why can't Windows get all of its settings into one place? Why is there a Settings "app" and also Control Panel(s)?

Because the Settings app is what most users need and the Control Panel is for advanced users. I think it's obvious enough.
 
Why does Windows have both Settings and Control Panel? Can't everything be consolidated? What's the excuse?

(echoing my earlier posts)

I feel the real reason for this is probably due to legacy code. The not so real reason is to simplify and integrate the tablet user experience. It's easier to piggyback off of the Control Panel, than to understand and rework whatever 2 decades of development it has accumulated. Everything can be consolidated, but from a developer's perspective I wouldn't want to touch that part of the code. It's not as easy as you seem to be thinking.
 
That doesn't answer my question.

Why can't Windows get all of its settings into one place? Why is there a Settings "app" and also Control Panel(s)? Why can't Windows make changes to the trackpad sitting in my Dell? For that matter, why doesn't Dell's own trackpad control panel not recognize that its trackpad has five buttons?

why can't Apple come up with a proper touchscreen? Why can't Apple put an SD-card-reader in their pro laptops? Why can't we get USB3 back? questions over questions.
 
I feel the real reason for this is probably due to legacy code. The not so real reason is to simplify and integrate the tablet user experience. It's easier to piggyback off of the Control Panel, than to understand and rework whatever 2 decades of development it has accumulated.

Keep in mind there are almost half a billion devices running Windows 10 and many others running other Windows versions. If they would make radical changes to that part of the system a lot of users would be very unhappy. For now they did the right thing by keeping the old control panel while adding a new, more user friendly settings app.
 
I feel the real reason for this is probably due to legacy code. The not so real reason is to simplify and integrate the tablet user experience. It's easier to piggyback off of the Control Panel, than to understand and rework whatever 2 decades of development it has accumulated. Everything can be consolidated, but from a developer's perspective I wouldn't want to touch that part of the code. It's not as easy as you seem to be thinking.

Ending up in the old-style control panels makes no sense on a tablet.

Well, then again, it makes sense as a demonstration of how a desktop UI is horrible for a tablet…
 
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