Nonsense. You can't press flash memory like you can optical discs. Optical is here for many years to come.
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What's the ETA on blu rays drive's on macbooks?
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Nonsense. You can't press flash memory like you can optical discs. Optical is here for many years to come.
I don't know why people are still arguing with gwsat. He clearly doesn't have any common sense.
If he did, he would have taken one look at this image I posted earlier comparing upconverted dvds to blurays on a 7 inch laptop/netbook size screen...
Source: http://forum.blu-ray.com/617201-post6.html
And stopped spewing nonsense about how the difference in picture quality between BR and DVD on a laptop is insignificant.
The above images are only 7 inches wide as it would look on a seven inch laptop screen, and even at that small a size, the difference in picture quality is VAST. So that he continues arguing the difference wouldn't be noticable even on a laptop screen twice that size, is just plain idiocy.
If he did, he would have taken one look at this image I posted earlier comparing upconverted dvds to blurays on a 7 inch laptop/netbook size screen...
Source: http://forum.blu-ray.com/617201-post6.html
And stopped spewing nonsense about how the difference in picture quality between BR and DVD on a laptop is insignificant.
The above images are only 7 inches wide as it would look on a seven inch laptop screen, and even at that small a size, the difference in picture quality is VAST. So that he continues arguing the difference wouldn't be noticable even on a laptop screen twice that size, is just plain idiocy.
I come here for fun. Why do you and another guy here take this stuff so seriously? Take an even strain, smell the flowers, and RELAX.
I seem to have offended both of you with my opinion. I did not intend to do that and am frankly puzzled as to why my opinion that a BD drive in a Macbook Pro would have only marginal utility seems to make you so angry. AVS Forum is home for a lot of we home theater nerds. There have been innumerable threads there debating picture quality, which, like this one, have deteriorated into personal attacks. Knowing that in advance as I did, I should have recognized the inevitable futility of trying to shine a little light into all this darkness. Still, it is better to light one candle that to curse the darkness.
I come here for fun. Why do you and another guy here take this stuff so seriously? Take an even strain, smell the flowers, and RELAX.
Says the guy who spend the past two days arguing with 10 different posters about blu ray vs. dvd, all the while acting like the simple picture above comparing the two didn't exist.Lets face it. If you really don't take this stuff seriously, you wouldn't have been arguing with so many different people about it for the past two day, and you probably wouldn't even be posting on this site.
why not get an external blu-ray drive?
I know it may not be a burner, but I'm sure the tech will be here soon enough....
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135207
USB 2.0 powered too! no power cable required
sweeeeeeet
I know it may not be a burner, but I'm sure the tech will be here soon enough....
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135207
USB 2.0 powered too! no power cable required
sweeeeeeet
I come here for fun. Why do you and another guy here take this stuff so seriously? Take an even strain, smell the flowers, and RELAX.
AVS Forum is home for a lot of we home theater nerds. There have been innumerable threads there debating picture quality, which, like this one, have deteriorated into personal attacks. Knowing that in advance as I did, I should have recognized the inevitable futility of trying to shine a little light into all this darkness. Still, it is better to light one candle that to curse the darkness.
I notice you are not refuting any of the posts that explain the relationship between screen size and viewing distance which undermines your entire claim. If you are unable to defend your position, be the bigger person and cede defeat, instead of writing this condescending nonsense that you are spewing right now.
I come here for fun. Why do you and another guy here take this stuff so seriously? Take an even strain, smell the flowers, and RELAX.
AVS Forum is home for a lot of we home theater nerds. There have been innumerable threads there debating picture quality, which, like this one, have deteriorated into personal attacks. Knowing that in advance as I did, I should have recognized the inevitable futility of trying to shine a little light into all this darkness. Still, it is better to light one candle that to curse the darkness.
come on, you are the one who made the outrageous claims
He knows you really want a blu-ray drive and is playing with you. That's why he's ignoring your arguments and others, to make you even more angry. He hit his crescendo when he told you "why do you take this stuff so seriously?". It's because he doesn't really care, he's having fun with you.
Well, I *don't* really want a Blu-Ray drive....at least not as $200+ option.
I just think it is ridiculous that Apple doesn't offer it as an option.
I can be objective about the points at hand even though I don't personally need a BR Drive in my computer.
Simple Answer OP - Never. Jobs doesnt like Blu Ray, so it will NEVER be on a single apple product.
Anyway, I dont think Blu Ray is necessary on a notebook. The images further up are BS, who watches a movie frame by frame? And where is a 7 inch notebook with Blu Ray?
Anyway, I dont think Blu Ray is necessary on a notebook. The images further up are BS, who watches a movie frame by frame? And where is a 7 inch notebook with Blu Ray?
Wow, you must be a high ranking executive at Apple in order to know definitely that Steve doesn't like blu-ray and that it will never appear on an Apple product. Or maybe you are a close friend of Steve Jobs?
Wow, you must be a high ranking executive at Apple in order to know definitely that Steve doesn't like blu-ray and that it will never appear on an Apple product. Or maybe you are a close friend of Steve Jobs?
No, but he can talk about past statements and twist them like everyone else around here does....
Earlier in this thread there was a spirited debate between posters who claimed that Apple's failure to add a Blu-ray drive to the new MBP lineup would be a massive mistake and a deal breaker for them. Others of us, though, contended that the presence of a Blu-ray burner on a MBP would be no big deal and that a decision by Apple not to add one as part of the next update would make sense. Well, here is a link to a thread and poll entitled, "If Macs Had Blu-ray?" The aspect of the poll I found most instructive was that more than 65% of the respondents have said either that they would not use it "and really don't care," or that they "might use it occasionally." This makes it appear to me, at least, that Apple has a better understanding of its customers' wants and needs than do some of the more strident posters to this thread. It's all a matter of "common sense," isn't it.
Earlier in this thread there was a spirited debate between posters who claimed that Apple's failure to add a Blu-ray drive to the new MBP lineup would be a massive mistake and a deal breaker for them. Others of us, though, contended that the presence of a Blu-ray burner on a MBP would be no big deal and that a decision by Apple not to add one as part of the next update would make sense. Well, here is a link to a thread and poll entitled, "If Macs Had Blu-ray?" The aspect of the poll I found most instructive was that more than 65% of the respondents have said either that they would not use it "and really don't care," or that they "might use it occasionally." This makes it appear to me, at least, that Apple has a better understanding of its customers' wants and needs than do some of the more strident posters to this thread. It's all a matter of "common sense," isn't it.
Why dont you just let this go? you got destroyed in this thread due to your ignorance yet still cant grasp the simple fact that everyone had a problem with you not because of the debate on popularity between bluray vs dvd in mbp, but your constant drivel over why bluray isnt better than dvd for movie playback without a basic understanding of picture quality or the flat out lies about bluray technology in general.
I wonder what Apple is going to do when Blu-ray overtakes dvd sales.
Once the majority purchases Blu-ray discs they can't ignore it anymore, right?
But then again it's Apple...so I guess they will ignore it...
Once the majority purchases Blu-ray discs they can't ignore it anymore, right?
But then again it's Apple...so I guess they will ignore it...
You are still ripping a physical CD collection?
why... This process should have ended years ago, for everyone.
what a waste of time.
And if you need to install software, then one can easily purchase an external disc drive.
I replaced my optical drive with an SSD, then I bought a SATA-USB interface to use the optical drive for the installation of OSx.
thats it!
I have never used the disc drive before or since.
Because you get (1) better quality and (2) archival storage.
I guess if it's good for you, then it MUST be good for everyone else.
What a complete waste of time. That process should have ended YEARS AGO! Everyone knows that the best way to install OS X is by first copying it to an 8 gb USB thumb drive and install from it.
Some people still buy CDs and I'm one of them. Not everything is available on iTunes and I prefer to obtain my music legally. Besides, if I have a physical CD I can still play the music on a CD player. If I buy a movie on iTunes, I can't simply play it on the TV without a lot of hassle, but if I have the physical DVD it can be played on both the Mac and on the TV as well.
An external disk drive? That only adds yet another thing to carry around and I doubt you could manage to do that on an airplane.
Yesterday I had to deal with a frustrating experience from a common user.
Said user bought content on iTunes to show for educational purposes. The content was in HD/SD (both were downloaded) and defaulted to HD. User tried to play via VGA output and was given a scary message about lack of HDCP, with no remedy to fix it.
Quick googling made short order of that, but it's those types of annoying nuances that'll put a bad taste in peoples mouths. DVDs suck but they just work 'cept for the occasional region snafu.
...like this guy was really going to hook up his machine to a stripper/recorder and upload in on usenet.
Said user bought content on iTunes to show for educational purposes. The content was in HD/SD (both were downloaded) and defaulted to HD. User tried to play via VGA output and was given a scary message about lack of HDCP, with no remedy to fix it.
Quick googling made short order of that, but it's those types of annoying nuances that'll put a bad taste in peoples mouths. DVDs suck but they just work 'cept for the occasional region snafu.
...like this guy was really going to hook up his machine to a stripper/recorder and upload in on usenet
.oooh.. this looks like another fun thread.
1. Who cares if Apple ever puts a BD-capable drive in any of their machines. I don't understand what the whole "bag of hurt" thing is even in reference to, but so what. They want HD content to come from iTunes. That's fine.
2. Quality of upconverted DVDs is highly dependent on the either the player or the TV, depending on what's doing the up convert. One evening my BFF came over with his Blade Runner box set on DVD and we did a bunch of A-B comparisons to my BD version. It was very VERY close. BD still edged it out, but DVD was not bad. At the time I was using a Panasonic BD10K BD player, which I thought did an excellent job. Just FYI, the TV was (and is) a Pioneer Elite 50" plasma. Most DVD drives in computers I've seen (Win & Mac) do a horrible job, if they even upconvert to display res at all.
3. I usually rip my BD on my Windows based server that has a BD drive as ISOs. When I was still watching actual disks in a player I never had any problems with DRM preventing a disk from playing. The time it takes for any given disk to start depends on how much crap the people that created the menuing load on top of it. Sitting there for a minute while Java initializes and the content loads so I could see some cutesy menu gimmick was un-fun for me and I think possibly turned some people off for BD because the disks take so long sometimes.
4. I've never actually watched a BD m2ts on my laptop. I have watch some movies that I converted from the original BD ISO I made as MKV and they look pretty damn good.
5. There is no usenet. I used it around 20 years ago as a bulletin board and to buy and sell audio equipment. I think it got shut down some time ago, though.
1. Who cares if Apple ever puts a BD-capable drive in any of their machines. I don't understand what the whole "bag of hurt" thing is even in reference to, but so what. They want HD content to come from iTunes. That's fine.
2. Quality of upconverted DVDs is highly dependent on the either the player or the TV, depending on what's doing the up convert. One evening my BFF came over with his Blade Runner box set on DVD and we did a bunch of A-B comparisons to my BD version. It was very VERY close. BD still edged it out, but DVD was not bad. At the time I was using a Panasonic BD10K BD player, which I thought did an excellent job. Just FYI, the TV was (and is) a Pioneer Elite 50" plasma. Most DVD drives in computers I've seen (Win & Mac) do a horrible job, if they even upconvert to display res at all.
3. I usually rip my BD on my Windows based server that has a BD drive as ISOs. When I was still watching actual disks in a player I never had any problems with DRM preventing a disk from playing. The time it takes for any given disk to start depends on how much crap the people that created the menuing load on top of it. Sitting there for a minute while Java initializes and the content loads so I could see some cutesy menu gimmick was un-fun for me and I think possibly turned some people off for BD because the disks take so long sometimes.
4. I've never actually watched a BD m2ts on my laptop. I have watch some movies that I converted from the original BD ISO I made as MKV and they look pretty damn good.
5. There is no usenet. I used it around 20 years ago as a bulletin board and to buy and sell audio equipment. I think it got shut down some time ago, though.
It may have been mentioned already but Apple, like some other electronics manufacturers that are also content providers are edging closer to and wanting a content distribution method that is totally digital, with their iTunes store, apple TV and others such as Netflix, Xbox Live, Steam.
you don't seem to get it.It'll happen sometime this year. Count on it. The remarks that it will never happen is just hyperbole. And those saying you won't see a big difference between blu ray and dvd on a laptop you only sit a foot or so away from are idiots that don't know what they're talking about.
Here's a comparison of an upconverted dvd on a 7 inch screen, versus a blu ray on a 7 inch screen.
It'll likely show up the iMac's before it does in the MBPs though. It's the customers with a 27 inch iMac that are drooling at the prospect of Blu Ray the most.
Apple can only stay behind technology for so long.
Yes, there will likely be a version of the MBP withouat any sort of disk drive what so ever. But it will never be the only version of the MBP.
There will always be a version of the MBP disk drive. Atleast for another five years.
Too many casual users install software like Microsoft Office, Photoshop and such software off a cd to do away with that option completely. In fact, I'm sure there's many important software that isn't even sold via digital distribution.
And Apple's customers are already demanding blu ray and Apple will give in soon enough. 100 gbs vs. 7 gbs of capacity, there isn't even a comparison.
It'll likely show up the iMac's before it does in the MBPs though. It's the customers with a 27 inch iMac that are drooling at the prospect of Blu Ray the most.
it will never happen because it competes with Apple's vision of a digital download future with iTunes as the center piece. you seem to think that adding a Blu-Ray drive is the only way to get HD-quality video on your computer (since you compared DVD to BD directly)...and you're very near-sighted in that assumption. You can download HD video from iTunes right now.
And that's not even mentioning Amazon's HD service, the ubiquitous Netflix HD streaming, etc.
BD is *not* the future on computers. Digital Streaming and Digital Download are. And Apple's desire to get a piece of THAT pie via iTunes will keep BD off of Apple computers for the foreseeable future.
Also, as one who had a BD drive on my last computer, I think I used it maybe 12 times during the entire time I had the computer. BD drives use too much power and don't provide enough value yet. Maybe as the price of parts keeps falling, Apple laptops will include them...but it's clearly not a priority or selling point for any manufacturer at this time, as most laptops (even the most elite laptops) aren't coming with them.
Perhaps we'll see them around 2014 or 2015. I don't see a scenario where it happens any sooner.
For some of us there is a huge problem with movies from iTunes; virtually none of them have closed captions. However, if you go to DVD or blu-ray, virtually all of the movies available have closed captions.
If your hearing isn't that good or you have trouble with some of the accents, or if you're learning English, then closed captions are great.
If your hearing isn't that good or you have trouble with some of the accents, or if you're learning English, then closed captions are great.