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This ^, plus they don't want people able to roll back the OS to a jailbreakable version where the person can install pirated apps.
Not all jailbreakers jailbreak for piracy.

I pay for my tweaks and apps and all my appstore apps. I jailbreak to customize my device the way I want, not to rip people off.

Agreed. I never pirate and wasn't implying jailbreakers do this, just was looking at it from the viewpoint of Apple who might take that sort of sweeping / false assumption approach as to why they fight jailbreaking so much (and don't allow OS downgrades).
 
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Agreed. I never pirate and wasn't implying jailbreakers do this, just was looking at it from the viewpoint of Apple who might take that sort of sweeping / false assumption approach as to why they fight jailbreaking so much (and don't allow OS downgrades).
Got you.

In my opinion I think Apple knows this is not necessarily true (as well as some other things about jailbreaking) but since jailbreaking does not and has never fit in with their way of operating they use anything, no matter how tenuous, to prevent users from doing it.

Feeding the average user misconceptions about it works to their advantage.
 
Doesn't "Reset to Factory" take you back to the original version of iOS it came on?
 
Nope. It just clears the settings, and/or erases all data for the version of iOS you're currently on. Apple's bean counters aren't that stupid.:D
Oh, if only they were. iOS 6 would be wonderful to use again on my iPhone 5!
 
Once you've been caught out by this, like my dad was with the iPhone 4 when he clicked on the Apple update to iOS7, you learn to avoid it in the future. A problem arises though if you ever have to restore your phone due to a major bug such as a bootloop or if your phone inexplicably goes dead (it happens). Then you are forced into updating to the latest version of iOS that you had previously avoided at all costs. If you're on an older device this can mean turning it into a painfully slow paperweight that you can't wait to replace.

The lesson here is that in order to be part of the Apple fan club you really need to replace your devices every two to three years, and that's providing they weren't a duffer in the first place like the iPad 3 or iPhone 6+ (in which case you want/need to upgrade within 12-18 months or ideally within three:rolleyes:.)
 
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The lesson here is that in order to be part of the Apple fan club you really need to replace your devices every two to three years, and that's providing they weren't a duffer in the first place like the iPad 3 or iPhone 6+ (in which case you want/need to upgrade within 12-18 months or ideally within three:rolleyes:.)
... and how helpful of Apple to keep raising the prices and limiting the storage options (no 32GB, really?).
 
so let us know how iOS 9 works on the ipad3!!! :p
It seems to be fine on my daughters iPad 3. I can't find any faults.

My iPad Air and iPhone 6 are fine too. Apart from my daughters iPad I don't tend to keep devices more than 3 years max as no device reaps the full benefits of an update beyond that in my experience. I think Apple are one of the best in terms of support and allowing older devices to get updates. My mother in laws iPhone 4 is still going strong and that was supported up until last year.
 
IMO you are confusing terms. Support going forward is not good from apple and I'm ok with that in terms of new features.
what I'm not happy about is that the product runs like crap when you take a new UI update. if this was a windows PC all hell would break loose on here. The software is pretty much the same, the features that are memory heavy or not suitable should simply not work. That would be fine. but a device <2 years old running like crap, is not on. (IMO)
 
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You get prompts every time you try to use the phone...

Now we're spreading fud here. You get one prompt that there's an update asking if you want to install it now or later if you hit later than you just have the red badge on the settings icon. I've had 6 iPhones and I can definitely say you're not prompted 'every' time you try to use the phone.
 
IMO you are confusing terms. Support going forward is not good from apple and I'm ok with that in terms of new features.
what I'm not happy about is that the product runs like crap when you take a new UI update. if this was a windows PC all hell would break loose on here. The software is pretty much the same, the features that are memory heavy or not suitable should simply not work. That would be fine. but a device <2 years old running like crap, is not on. (IMO)

I fully agree. I can think of no reason that they can't just patch security issues for legacy devices like Windows do. My mate is still getting Microsoft support for his Vista laptop and for how many years did they support XP?
 
IMO you are confusing terms. Support going forward is not good from apple and I'm ok with that in terms of new features.
what I'm not happy about is that the product runs like crap when you take a new UI update. if this was a windows PC all hell would break loose on here. The software is pretty much the same, the features that are memory heavy or not suitable should simply not work. That would be fine. but a device <2 years old running like crap, is not on. (IMO)
The issue I have with what you are saying is that not all devices run like crap after an update. My mother in laws iPhone 4 is on iOS 7 and runs lovely despite some her having issues with theirs. I know the support for that has expired but I know people with iPhone 5's with no problems etc. Why do some people have issues and some do not?
 
The issue I have with what you are saying is that not all devices run like crap after an update. My mother in laws iPhone 4 is on iOS 7 and runs lovely despite some her having issues with theirs. I know the support for that has expired but I know people with iPhone 5's with no problems etc. Why do some people have issues and some do not?
because "runs like crap" is subjective and dependant on what you are doing. I would be happy if Apple allowed downgrading one version back for end-of-life devices. This is usually where the issues crop up.
 
The issue I have with what you are saying is that not all devices run like crap after an update. My mother in laws iPhone 4 is on iOS 7 and runs lovely despite some her having issues with theirs. I know the support for that has expired but I know people with iPhone 5's with no problems etc. Why do some people have issues and some do not?
The iPhone 4 on iOS7 runs lovely? Do you mean it runs, or that it runs nice and smoothly with zero lag? My old iPhone 4 runs ok, it's just slow as hell on the internet and lags whilst typing. So slow in fact that I couldn't use it for anything other than basic phone tasks and simple apps.
 
The iPhone 4 on iOS7 runs lovely? Do you mean it runs, or that it runs nice and smoothly with zero lag? My old iPhone 4 runs ok, it's just slow as hell on the internet and lags whilst typing. So slow in fact that I couldn't use it for anything other than basic phone tasks and simple apps.
It wouldn't run any faster under iOS 6, that thing is old.
 
The issue I have with what you are saying is that not all devices run like crap after an update. My mother in laws iPhone 4 is on iOS 7 and runs lovely despite some her having issues with theirs. I know the support for that has expired but I know people with iPhone 5's with no problems etc. Why do some people have issues and some do not?

I'm open to enlightenment - but the eco system is closed and it should "just work" off the bat repeatedly every time.
I can't comment on others devices, i can say mine don't, they lag and its a common problem on here. (the forum in general) I've done all the normal stuff like reducing or turning off stuff in accessibility but nope. Still sucks.
 
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... and how helpful of Apple to keep raising the prices and limiting the storage options (no 32GB, really?).
Don't you get 64 GB for the price that 32 GB used to cost. Not sure where the raising of the prices is there (in fact some lowering seems to be in play).
 
It wouldn't run any faster under iOS 6, that thing is old.
It is too old now, but back when iOS7 released it was still a perfectly usable phone whilst on iOS6. It stopped being a viable smartphone the instant it was 'updated' to iOS7. From there it became a standard phone in my opinion. Web browsing and data-heavy apps were out of the question unless you were happy twiddling your fingers whilst it lagged its way to a result.

We've disagreed on this many times.:D
 
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