Whats the reason apple wont let us downgrade iOS ?

[flopticalcube]

Don't you get 64 GB for the price that 32 GB used to cost. Not sure where the raising of the prices is there (in fact some lowering seems to be in play).

Look at the table in the article: iPhone 6 16GB $549. iPhone 6s 16GB $649. $100 more, same memory. in foreign countries, the prices have shot up even more due to the appreciation of the USD.

EDIT: Forgot about the price drop from last year. My bad.

 

[C DM]

Look at the table in the article: iPhone 6 16GB $549. iPhone 6s 16GB $649. $100 more, same memory. in foreign countries, the prices have shot up even more due to the appreciation of the USD.

You realize the difference is because once a new phone is released the previous model becomes $100 less. It's been like that for a long time, that's how things work with new releases.

 

[flopticalcube]

Oops! Sorry about that. No price increase to the new one but no price drop either.

 

[C DM]

Oops! Sorry about that. No price increase to the new one but no price drop either.

Sure, but that's not generally expected (even if people always hope for that when it comes to pretty much anything at any time).

 

[AZhappyjack]

Agree, you get a prompt every 10mins. This is worse than windows.
I don't get a prompt each time an app is updated, just an indication on the icon...

How are you prompted every 10 minutes? Only thing I get is a red badge on the settings icon. I just move the settings icon to a screen that I don't have to keep looking at till I'm ready to do the update.

Agreed. I am not JB, and I have never been "prompted" to upgrade, beyond seeing the icon badging showing an available update.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

I'm open to enlightenment - but the eco system is closed and it should "just work" off the bat repeatedly every time.
I can't comment on others devices, i can say mine don't, they lag and its a common problem on here. (the forum in general) I've done all the normal stuff like reducing or turning off stuff in accessibility but nope. Still sucks.

Well good luck getting it sorted then.

 

[AZhappyjack]

You get prompts every time you try to use the phone...

Absolutely NOT true. #EschewFUD.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

The iPhone 4 on iOS7 runs lovely? Do you mean it runs, or that it runs nice and smoothly with zero lag? My old iPhone 4 runs ok, it's just slow as hell on the internet and lags whilst typing. So slow in fact that I couldn't use it for anything other than basic phone tasks and simple apps.

It runs good enough for a 5 year old phone IMO. It's not going to be as fluid as an iPhone 6 but if people want that, my advice is to upgrade as they have had their monies worth. My mother in law is happy and will no doubt be passed an iPhone 5 next year that will run fine for its age. You're right it does basic tasks, but do people really expect it to play the latest games with the demands those come with these days?

 

[Gathomblipoob]

Yeah jailbreak, a million chineses hackers will thank you.

Like that couple hundred apps that were recently removed from the App Store?

 

[Jsameds]

Yeah jailbreak, a million chineses hackers will thank you.

Sigh.

 

[HEK]

Like that couple hundred apps that were recently removed from the App Store?

Exactly, the ones that the developers downloaded x-code from non Apple server against apples explicit instructions. Wrote apps with it and uploaded to Apple. Sort of like people jail breaking, making an already compromised security even worse. Yeah exactly like that. They were to smart for their and our own good. So go ahead jailbreak, keep working to make security worse. Just stop trying to tell others how smart you and those developers are for not following simplistic security PROTOCALS so you can tweet your phone with a widget.

 

[Gathomblipoob]

Exactly, the ones that the developers downloaded x-code from non Apple server against apples explicit instructions. Wrote apps with it and uploaded to Apple. Sort of like people jail breaking, making an already compromised security even worse. Yeah exactly like that. They were to smart for their and our own good. So go ahead jailbreak, keep working to make security worse. Just stop trying to tell others how smart you and those developers are for not following simplistic security PROTOCALS so you can tweet your phone with a widget.

No. Just don't download from shady repositories and always change your root and mobile passwords. I've been jailbreaking since the original 74-step jailbreak in 2007 and never had a problem because of following a few simple rules. Sure, it takes a bit more responsibility than just running stock, but the payoff in a more useful phone is definitely worth the effort. So yes, I'll keep on jailbreaking and ignore the excessive FUD I see all the time on this subject.

Have you ever jailbroken, BTW?

 

[HEK]

No. Just don't download from shady repositories and always change your root and mobile passwords. I've been jailbreaking since the original 74-step jailbreak in 2007 and never had a problem because of following a few simple rules. Sure, it takes a bit more responsibility than just running stock, but the payoff in a more useful phone is definitely worth the effort. So yes, I'll keep on jailbreaking and ignore the excessive FUD I see all the time on this subject.

Have you ever jailbroken, BTW?

First off why is it that developers doing exactly what Apple advises not to do. Downloading x-code from non Apple servers, infecting their apps with malware is used as a validation to jailbreak? Jailenreakers justify what they do by telling half the story, insinuating Apple did something wrong. And that somehow that makes violating Apple's advise not to jailbreak wrong.

I'm not trying to convince you, to not jail break your phone. Have at it and enjoy. Just don't want others that simply want a well functioning, uncomplicated, device to be overly influenced by someone like you that understands and takes the time to make these tweeks. There is nothing I lack or miss on my devices that warrants me or most like me to further compromise on my security. Which we would be doing as most of us would not have the time or understanding to duplicate what you do.

Think of it this way. You have combat training and carry a small arsenal of weapons with you all the time. You are situational aware and find it exciting and safe living on the Gaza Strip. For most of us we feel and are more safe living is regular communities where we only have to worry about the occasional school shootings. Neither place is perfectly safe, but most reasonable people would not choose the Gaza Strip.

In the same way most people see why Apple does not recommend jailbreaking. I doubt even you would proclaim that if all iPhones were jail broken the entire iPhone community would be as safe as using the phone as Apple advises, not jail broken.

 

[Gathomblipoob]

Not trying to convince you to not jail break. Just don't want others that simply want a well functioning, uncomplicated, device to be overly influenced by someone like you that understands and takes the time to make these tweets. There is nothing I lack or miss on my devices that warrants me or most like me to further compromise on security.

Think of it this way. You have combat training and carry a small arsenal of weapons with you all the time. You are situational aware and find it exciting and safe living on the Gaza Strip. For most of us we feel and are more safe living is regular communities where we only have to worry about the occasional school shootings. Neither place is perfectly safe, but be reasonable and see why Apple does not recommend jailbreaking.

You're being a bit overly dramatic. HEK. I stated my opinion. I'm not trying to encourage the great unwashed to follow me into hell or any such thing. There are many of us who jailbreak and have no problems whatsoever. Anyone who wishes to jailbreak can do their own research and come to their own conclusions.

BTW, you never answered my question. Did you ever jailbreak?

 

[HEK]

You're being a bit overly dramatic. HEK. I stated my opinion. I'm not trying to encourage the great unwashed to follow me into hell or any such thing. There are many of us who jailbreak and have no problems whatsoever. Anyone who wishes to jailbreak can do their own research and come to their own conclusions.

BTW, you never answered my question. Did you ever jailbreak?

I sure did answer it, read it again. I and vast majority of people don't find sufficient reason to jailbreak. I won't trade off any more of my security for a few widgets I don't really care about anyway. The phone functions precisely, speedily, and with all the features I need in my daily life. Is that any clearer for you? And as for being overly dramatic, I thought I made my point quite well for one of those FUDs.

 

[Gathomblipoob]

I sure did answer it, read it again. I and vast majority of people don't find sufficient reason to jailbreak. I won't trade off any more of my security for a few widgets I don't really care about anyway. The phone functions precisely, speedily, and with all the features I need in my daily life. Is that any clearer for you? And as for being overly dramatic, I thought I made my point quite well for one of those FUDs.

You never answered my question directly. Then we agree to disagree.

 

[HEK]

You never answered my question directly. Then we agree to disagree.

So do you agree or disagree? Would the iPhone community be safer or less safe if everyone jail broke their phone?

 

[maxsix]

The reason Apple doesn't allow downgrades is plain and simple. It's a great way for Apple to sell more hardware, making their offshore tax shelters fatter.

Oh sure they implement "fear based" based sales techniques, by telling you the warm and fuzzy story that Apple just wants to keep you safe with continual security enhancements. But mostly that's just to distract users and it works very well. Otherwise intelligent people just shrug and believe Apple.

Apples true brilliance is in storylines and convincing people that Apple has your back. People, especially the low self esteem, insecure individuals love to hear how others are going to watch over them. Apples narcissistic ways are the perfect approach.

 

[I7guy]

The reason Apple doesn't allow downgrades is plain and simple. It's a great way for Apple to sell more hardware, making their offshore tax shelters fatter.

Oh sure they implement "fear based" based sales techniques, by telling you the warm and fuzzy story that Apple just wants to keep you safe with continual security enhancements. But mostly that's just to distract users and it works very well. Otherwise intelligent people just shrug and believe Apple.

Apples true brilliance is in storylines and convincing people that Apple has your back. People, especially the low self esteem, insecure individuals love to hear how others are going to watch over them. Apples narcissistic ways are the perfect approach.

Good job; you saw through apples thinly veiled storyline that they "have your back" and cater to weak individuals.

 

[AndrewR23]

Hmm, kind of sounds like you are saying apples are nasty although you have never tried one.

I am an original "jailbreaker" since 2007. I think jailbreaking brings more security. For example, I got my dad an iPhone 5S last year. Downloaded "iCaughtUpro" which prevents the phone from being turned off on the lock screen. If someone tries to turn the phone off, the phone will take a picture, and send that picture along with the phones location to my email.

My dads phone was stolen last year, guy tried to turn it off, could not. We notified the police who got the phone back. Kind of looks like jailbreaking can actually increase security, which it can.

 

[maxsix]

Good job; you saw through apples thinly veiled storyline that they "have your back" and cater to weak individuals.

Apple has the most powerful marketing system in the world. They didn't get to the top just because the products are good. Consistently clever and influential Apple can sell anything as long as it has their logo.

You might wish to brush up on reading comprehension. I did _not_ say they "cater to" any certain group.

What I _did_ point out is those personality types are most vulnerable to Apples choice of communicating the message. That style has broad appeal. Many other American Corporations use it, just not as effectively as Apple.

 

[AppleFanatic10]

Oh, if only they were. iOS 6 would be wonderful to use again on my iPhone 5!

I'm trying to get iOS 6 back on my iPhone 4 but so far no dice.

 

[Gathomblipoob]

So do you agree or disagree? Would the iPhone community be safer or less safe if everyone jail broke their phone?

I can't speak for the community. I choose to jailbreak my iPhone. That's it. I'm not sure how much simpler I can put it. But I'm not going to remain silent on my opinion.

 

[garirry]

That may not start being the case. El Capitan has a security measure now that prevents you from modifying some of the underlying UNIX folders. At this time it can be disabled…but in the future?

If Apple continues to take this trend forward we all my have to jailbreak our Macs just to make them the way we like and not the cookie cutter setup Apple wants to maintain.

Sorta agree to this, but keep in mind that THIS is for security. They don't want some reckless idiot modifying root files nor a virus that somehow succeeds in changing root files. So, I think that what they're doing on the Mac side is for the best.

Regarding iOS and its lack of downgrade, I TOTALLY agree, I HATE the whole system. Jeez, let us do what we want with our devices. I understand a person who doesn't understand anything, they shouldn't downgrade, but a professional who knows what he's doing? HELL NO. It's ****ing slavery, this whole thing. Part of the reason I don't like iOS.

 

[eyoungren]

I'm trying to get iOS 6 back on my iPhone 4 but so far no dice.

Have you looked in the JB forum here. There is a way. But only for the 4s and earlier. I hear they are working on making it possible for the 5 but I don't know where they are in that.