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I have a hard time believing that Apple won't throw a summer bone to the '21 HS grads and new Sept college students. The fact that they couldn't announce in June musta really hurt. NOTHING for these students in the summer of '21? Doesn't sound like Apple. I predict a July announcement, week 1-2.
 
The bolded part is dead wrong. There’s no way Apple would deliberately plan to release an OS requiring Apple silicon while selling no high-end MBP capable of fully running it. (There’s also no way Apple would deliberately go over 800 days between updates to the 16-inch MBP.)
Well obviously deliberately or not Apple did plan the release the OS in question and sadly still no new MBPs so I would beg to differ that the bolded part is spot on but im not here to split hairs over your personal opinion. Having the freedom of thought, opinion and expression is a wonderful thing and I will continue to wait patiently for both the announcement and release.
 
well, you can never avoid a technical problem..
The technical problem in this case is the IC parts shortage. I think Apple knows the shortage won't start to resolve until late this year, so it may make sense for Apple to shelve the M1X in favor a M2-based variant that will be available the end of 2021.
 
HELL YEAH ITS A KICK ASS MACHINE ! I own one and its still rocking ! Good to see 2012 supporters alive and well.
Yeah, I had a mid-2012 with the hi-res, matte finish screen (something I wish they'd bring back, actually). That was a super awesome machine, for sure. Probably the best Mac I've owned... That is, until the GPU died... haha... (not Apple's fault, but still a bummer... that failure actually led me to "upgrade" to the compu-toilet that was the 2016 MBP... conversely the worst Mac I've ever owned.. by a fair margin)
 
Most leakers report about designs but confuse production-ready with production readiness.
Kuo is usually the expert here who has valuable insight about production bottlenecks and the likes.
Even so, that information in sometimes months delayed. I remember a late year report that said, with one month remaining, that Apple was still determining what the features of the phone would be. The story was technically correct, but there’s no way that in August, Apple was still figuring out what the features would be. Those were nailed down likely a year ahead of production when they started the test runs.

The leakers COULD say that information they’re providing us is from February, but where’s the drama and excitement in that. Just leave off the “when” and you hide the fact that, while CLOSE to the production line, it’s still gonna take time for information to filter out.
 
I feel like everyone here is saying these things SHOULD be released are forgetting the supply chain disruptions and technical difficulties at this time. The mini LED challenges compounded with silicon/chip shortages and Apple's own desire to have enough product in stock before any release means what SHOULD be done might not plain be doable on the original timelines
 
Am I the only one who finds the apparently agonizing wait for the 14/16 mbp update hilarious from the sidelines
I can see how it would be amusing to watch, but yes, it is a little agonizing.

The late-2019 16-inch was the first time in years that a big MBP felt great again, but by that time, 1) Intel was reaaaaally stretching 14nm, IOW the CPU wasn't great, and 2) there was already a lot of smoke that Apple was going to move to ARM. So I never got it, and my MBP is at this point seven years old.
 
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Am I the only one who finds the apparently agonizing wait for the 14/16 mbp update hilarious from the sidelines

I’ve still got three more months of this free entertainment, at minimum. It’s beautiful

My late-2016 15-inch MBP died a few weeks ago. Not hilarious at all needing to either go without a computer for weeks or months or spend over $3,000 on a 2019 Intel model.
 
I feel like everyone here is saying these things SHOULD be released are forgetting the supply chain disruptions and technical difficulties at this time. The mini LED challenges compounded with silicon/chip shortages and Apple's own desire to have enough product in stock before any release means what SHOULD be done might not plain be doable on the original timelines
That was the VERY reason why for my guess that Apple shelved the M1X SoC. Instead, Apple will wait for supplies to improve so they roll out a whole line of MacBooks (MacBook Air and MacBook Pro) based on the M2 generation SoC in early 2022.
 
That was the VERY reason why for my guess that Apple shelved the M1X SoC. Instead, Apple will wait for supplies to improve so they roll out a whole line of MacBooks (MacBook Air and MacBook Pro) based on the M2 generation SoC in early 2022.

It remains hard to believe that Apple is going to release a new OS that requires Apple silicon to run many features but then deliberately wait at least four months to release MBPs with Apple silicon. If this is Apple’s plan, why wouldn’t they delay Monterey until next year, too?
 
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It remains hard to believe that Apple is going to release a new OS that requires Apple silicon to run many features but then deliberately wait at least four months to release MBPs with Apple silicon. If this is Apple’s plan, why wouldn’t they delay Monterey until next year, too?
I would agree, but given the current situation with chip shortages, that likely threw off Apple's plans quite a bit. At least you can run the new MacOS 12 on the M1-equipped Mac mini, iMac and MacBook models now.
 
I would agree, but given the current situation with chip shortages, that likely threw off Apple's plans quite a bit. At least you can run the new MacOS 12 on the M1-equipped Mac mini, iMac and MacBook models now.

Right, but what’s the urgency with releasing Monterey? Releasing an OS that won’t fully run on Apple’s highest-end MBPs just seems odd.
 
I feel like everyone here is saying these things SHOULD be released are forgetting the supply chain disruptions and technical difficulties at this time. The mini LED challenges compounded with silicon/chip shortages and Apple's own desire to have enough product in stock before any release means what SHOULD be done might not plain be doable on the original timelines
Not that they SHOULD be released, just that we WANT them to be released. And as agonizing as the wait is, I'm still happy that Apple is taking their time to get it right rather than releasing too soon.
 
Right, but what’s the urgency with releasing Monterey? Releasing an OS that won’t fully run on Apple’s highest-end MBPs just seems odd.
No urgency from my perspective, except that the sooner Monterey launches, the sooner we'll get our new MacBooks :)
 
It remains hard to believe that Apple is going to release a new OS that requires Apple silicon to run many features but then deliberately wait at least four months to release MBPs with Apple silicon. If this is Apple’s plan, why wouldn’t they delay Monterey until next year, too?
Looking at the last few releases of macOS, would releasing 3-4 months later be a bad thing? Won’t happen because they’ve already announced a fall release at WWDC.
 
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Looking at the last few releases of macOS, would releasing 3-4 months later be a bad thing? Won’t happen because they’ve already announced a fall release at WWDC.

Right. It seems like MBPs are more urgent than yet another OS update, but Apple charged ahead with Monterey at WWDC and even highlighted features that only work on a minority of its machines right now.

Monterey: Coming in the Fall!

MBPs that fully run Monterey: Coming next year?


That would be very odd.
 
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I can see how it would be amusing to watch, but yes, it is a little agonizing.

The late-2019 16-inch was the first time in years that a big MBP felt great again, but by that time, 1) Intel was reaaaaally stretching 14nm, IOW the CPU wasn't great, and 2) there was already a lot of smoke that Apple was going to move to ARM. So I never got it, and my MBP is at this point seven years old.
I think it's more amusing because I know how it feels to be on 14NM or even 10NN which isn't that much better in terms of PPW. (intel on both). Basically yea I know, it blows

it really is pathetic how the industry was let down all these years IMO
 
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