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When did early adopters become so entitled?
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HDMI 1.4 also supports automotive video systems, so by your "logic" Apple should also have included automotive video systems with the ATV4. LOL
Everyone who has an iPhone 6s or 6s Plus has the content. How many millions of users is that??
This is going to be my last reply to you as its obvious you just want to argue for arguments sake.
HDMI 1.4 also supports automotive video systems, so by your "logic" Apple should also have included automotive video systems with the ATV4. LOL
Logical fallacies rarely make for a compelling argument.
As I said before; the existing hardware (including the A8 chipset) offer native support for 4K. Apple had to purposefully disable 4K via software. Had Apple not taken this route, in theory, 4K would have been supported by default. Why disable something that is already supported by your hardware? And please... for the love of my sanity don't repeat the same baseless argument "Lack of content".
There is nothing to gain by disabling something your hardware already supports because the content isn't there. You leave it enabled and promote it as a future-proofing feature.
Not really. The problem is that HDCP 2.2 copy protection is mandatory for transmitting UHD content over HDMI (all previous versions of HDCP have been broken). But HDCP 2.2 is only available for HDMI 2.0 ports. This means that the HDMI licensing agreements will not allow playback of commercial 4K content on the Apple TV 4, even though its HDMI 1.4 port is physically capable of carrying video at 4K resolution.
Do you have anything other than red herrings to offer?
The only error in reasoning has been your own, as pointed out many times throughout this thread.
I think saying that Apple has decided you should not watch videos in this format is a little extreme. Plenty of other options to watch 4K content (limited in my opinion, but this is what the 4K people tell me). Apple is simply deciding that the distribution of 4K content is not where it needs to be for them to support it. No one is forcing you to buy an Apple TV. It is the consumers decision on where/how they want to consume content, not Apples. They are making a decision in the best interest of their company (monetary or otherwise).
It's somewhat amusing to go back in time and read the comments when the Apple TV 2 was announced without 1080p support:
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...renamed-itv-utilizes-apps-lacks-1080p.991329/
Then too, the apologists found lots of excuses why Apple was right not to support the then state-of-the-art video standard, and why you don't really need anything more than 720p. Of course, when the ATV3 with 1080p came out it was suddenly the greatest thing ever.
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...renamed-itv-utilizes-apps-lacks-1080p.991329/
Then too, the apologists found lots of excuses why Apple was right not to support the then state-of-the-art video standard, and why you don't really need anything more than 720p. Of course, when the ATV3 with 1080p came out it was suddenly the greatest thing ever.
probably 1 in 1000 ATV4 buyers will plug it into a 4K TV.
I bought a Samsung 4K TV for almost $4000 last year. So far, I've watched ONE movie in true 4k.
The rest of the time, it acts as an amazing photo viewer. Even the photos that I take with my phone at 16mbps look absolutely breathtaking on the 4k screen.
I wonder how the ATV4's aerial screensavers will looks if it's in 4K?
probably 1 in 1000 ATV4 buyers will plug it into a 4K TV.
I bought a Samsung 4K TV for almost $4000 last year. So far, I've watched ONE movie in true 4k.
The rest of the time, it acts as an amazing photo viewer. Even the photos that I take with my phone at 16mbps look absolutely breathtaking on the 4k screen.
I wonder how the ATV4's aerial screensavers will looks if it's in 4K?
The screensavers were actually shot in 4K, they are just scaled down for the ATV4.
I will agree with you on most of the points, however, releasing an Apple TV that has a remote with two microphones in it and the hyped promise of Siri integration and then not allowing that remote to convert speech-to-text in text boxes as almost everyone expected is a lousy customer experience and the criticism on that front is 100% deserved.
I didn't expect 4K, I didn't expect Profiles, I didn't expect it to make orange juice. But I did expect it to execute basic dictation, no different than how Siri and Dictation co-exist in every app in the iOS App Store. That was misleading and a major frustration and disappointment. Here's your new magical microphone remote and here's your crappy new click-click-click keyboard. Awful.
BJ
That's not what the first amendment guarantees you. The first amendment prevents the government from infringing upon freedom of speech. Apple is not a government and therefore it doesn't apply. This is why when people like Donald Sterling (NBA Clipper's owner) says stupid, racist crap, they get fired or forced out with no freedom of speech protection. Furthermore, freedom of speech rights are not absolute. The supreme court has deemed several categories of speech that are excluded from freedom of speech allowing the government (again, not a private company like Apple) to restrict speech as they see fit.
Not sure what they're teaching in schools these days.
Revenue to gain when the 5 comes out with 4K support. This is Apple we're talking about. They've employed the same strategy in every product they release. The only way you can oppose is to not support their products. While I agree that it should have 4K, I'm not particularly bothered or surprised by the lack of support. I'll hold off on updating my 3 for a while.
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Who can run the country better? The Republicans, the Democrats, or Apple, Inc. Give Apple a chance. They can't do any worse than the career politicians. Although, that's just one step away from relinquishing control to Skynet, is it?
I like the starters post.
As I said in another post, there was plenty of information out there in regards to what the ATV4 is, was and what it will be.
Yet, there are plenty of posts saying its a failure.
My reasoning behind the purchase was hopes for better wifi (I got), NHL Game Center (I got), and the ability to play a mindless game every so often.
If the Amazon fire had the NHL Game Center, I would have had no need for Apple.
The lack of 4K has me baffled. Especially with their iMac and iPhone supporting it.
Some say the market penetration isn't strong enough to warrant it.
My tin foil hat thinks Apple didn't include 4K as Samsung would have sold more expensive TVs increasing their bottom line.
Isn't 2160p around 70MB? Still below the 100MB threshold.
I did see the episode of AHS. I hear things, to a lesser degree, from younger employees.
As I said in another post, there was plenty of information out there in regards to what the ATV4 is, was and what it will be.
Yet, there are plenty of posts saying its a failure.
My reasoning behind the purchase was hopes for better wifi (I got), NHL Game Center (I got), and the ability to play a mindless game every so often.
If the Amazon fire had the NHL Game Center, I would have had no need for Apple.
The lack of 4K has me baffled. Especially with their iMac and iPhone supporting it.
Some say the market penetration isn't strong enough to warrant it.
My tin foil hat thinks Apple didn't include 4K as Samsung would have sold more expensive TVs increasing their bottom line.
Isn't 2160p around 70MB? Still below the 100MB threshold.
I did see the episode of AHS. I hear things, to a lesser degree, from younger employees.
I could be wrong, but I haven't heard of any copy protection that hasn't been broken.
Let's be real here.... This is 4th gen in name only. None of the previous models are like this one. The 2 and 3 were buried in the iPod section for a reason. With tvOS Apple is basically starting from scratch. Be patient... Improvements are coming.
And to the OP... Well said!
The specs of this Device was documented well before the release. So I still don't get all the angst about 4K. Or lack of keyboard, remote app support. That would've been mentioned. Or Siri not searching for apps/NAS/home sharing (don't see those happening)
Relax people.... tvOS is brand new
You must not be familiar with Apple. This has been their MO since their inception.
for the hundredth time?
it will probably continue until the four thousandth time. (as in 4k)
4k support doesn't really concern me, I think it is a fad technology that will fall to the wayside like BetaMax. HDR is where it is really at. Studios already shoot in HDR, most new smartphones support HDR. So the only place it is missing is our TVs. There are HDR TVs out there, but they are still pretty expensive. I haven't seen one in person, but the description of the picture quality is pretty compelling.
I don't know the technical requirements, but I assume ATV4 would be able to support HDR with a software update.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/this-year-buy-a-tv-thats-actually-better-1447181077
I don't know the technical requirements, but I assume ATV4 would be able to support HDR with a software update.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/this-year-buy-a-tv-thats-actually-better-1447181077
I respectfully disagree with you on that one. I think HDR TVs(like 3D TVs) is a fad and the future is 4k OLED TVs.
My old aging eyes are so used to my 4k TV now. Due to the obvious lack of TV/movie content in 4k, I mostly use it to watch 4k videos that I shot on my phone or camcorder, as well as digital photos. They look absolutely spectacular. When I play the same videos/photos on my other TV(1080p), I feel like going from HD(1080i) back to SD(480i).It's somewhat amusing to go back in time and read the comments when the Apple TV 2 was announced without 1080p support:
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...renamed-itv-utilizes-apps-lacks-1080p.991329/
Then too, the apologists found lots of excuses why Apple was right not to support the then state-of-the-art video standard, and why you don't really need anything more than 720p. Of course, when the ATV3 with 1080p came out it was suddenly the greatest thing ever.
Reminds me at another Apple forum, every now and then this pops up. "You don't know want you want, but Apple does"
As if.
I agree with the improvements part, but it is a 4th gen device. A generation doesn't stop just because of product advancement. Just the opposite.