When is Apple bringing out Apple Vision Pro 2?

[Jumpthesnark]

When is Apple bringing out Apple Vision Pro 2?

I’m wondering when Apple is bringing out Apple Vision Pro 2 that is less bulky and longer battery life?

Was there not Apple Vision that was suppose to be cheaper and less bulky?

No one here has actual insight into Apple's business plans regarding the Vision Pro, no one. They only have opinions informed by their biases for or against this device. But MR has a page here with all the information you want on the AVP, just do some reading.

This is what MR posted there about a possible successor to the AVP:

Apple is allegedly continuing to develop new technologies and materials with the eventual goal of releasing a cheaper, lighter enclosed headset. No new version of the Vision Pro is in active development, and it will be at least two years before there is a new model, if not longer. A new Vision Pro is unlikely to come out until late 2028 or 2029, according to Bloomberg's Mark Gurman.

Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo does not believe Apple is working on a new headset. Kuo says there are only two smart glasses products in development, including the AI smart glasses that Apple is creating to rival the Meta Ray-Bans and a display-equipped set of AR smart glasses.

"I think removing the Vision Pro line was the right call, as Apple shifts resources toward smart glasses with greater mass-market potential," he wrote.

 

[maflynn]

It was released as tomorrow’s technology today for people who could afford to play around with it. They never set it up for more than that

Nonsense.

That's the excuse many apple fans get behind to rationalize the poor performance and failure of the product. Apple being a for profit company and rumored to have spent 7 to 10 billion dollars on it. They were not looking to to get this into a few hands, but rather a new product category.

Tim Cook:

"Apple Vision Pro is the most advanced consumer electronics device ever created. Its revolutionary and magical user interface will redefine how we connect, create, and explore."

You don't say its going to be a revolutionary device and redefine how we do things, if it was only a device for a few users.

 

[Populus]

When is Apple bringing out Apple Vision Pro 2?

I’m wondering when Apple is bringing out Apple Vision Pro 2 that is less bulky and longer battery life?

Was there not Apple Vision that was suppose to be cheaper and less bulky?

You mean… the M5 Vision Pro? It already has the latest chip, and I wouldn’t expect a new Apple Vision, Pro or non-Pro, anytime soon…

Like it’s been already said, it sold quite poorly…

According to the rumors, Apple is now centering their research into the smart glasses field.

 

[Rychiar]

Nonsense.

That's the excuse many apple fans get behind to rationalize the poor performance and failure of the product. Apple being a for profit company and rumored to have spent 7 to 10 billion dollars on it. They were not looking to to get this into a few hands, but rather a new product category.

Tim Cook:


You don't say its going to be a revolutionary device and redefine how we do things, if it was only a device for a few users.

any $3500+ entertainment device is only going to be a for a few users....

 

[maflynn]

any $3500+ entertainment device is only going to be a for a few users....

Exactly, and that's one of the major reasons this product flopped, regular consumers were not going to rush to this new product.

Let me say that I believe Apple's expectation was higher sales, because we later learned they reduced the manufacturing of the AVP (a few times?) due to lower then expected demand

 

[poorcody]

I hope they'll keep it limping along with software updates for a few years to see if the technology will get small enough to make it a reasonable size (and less expensive). Maybe the software will be adapted for their glasses.

 

[Lounge vibes 05]

Exactly, and that's one of the major reasons this product flopped, regular consumers were not going to rush to this new product.

Let me say that I believe Apple's expectation was higher sales, because we later learned they reduced the manufacturing of the AVP (a few times?) due to lower then expected demand

This doesn’t mean anything, Apple cuts iPhone production literally every single year after the initial wave. It’s not particularly useful information.

 

[maflynn]

This doesn’t mean anything, Apple cuts iPhone production literally every single year after the initial wave. It’s not particularly useful information.

Except when see articles like this: Report: Apple Vision Pro Is Still Failing to Catch On and this Apple reportedly cuts production of Vision Pro headset after poor sales Oh and this Apple Has Given Up on the Vision Pro After M5 Refresh Flop

Clearly we see a picture where Apple thought it was producing a new revolutionary product, but consumers stayed away, so reducing production in light of a tepid response does make sense and helps paint a picture of a product that flopped.

 

[PBG4 Dude]

I like my AVP. Totally dig it actually. Great for gaming, either local stuff or streamed from my gaming laptop.

Works great as a KVM. I’m connected to my Windows PC using the Windows app and MVD for my MBP and now I can swap between computers with a single mouse click. I have mouse and keyboard bound to the AVP, and use local Safari instances to keep the PC displays uncluttered.

Meditating is actually more relaxing than I thought it would be.

The thing is, my family wants nothing to do with me while I’m using it. Even though they know I can see them and whatnot, they’re just put off by me wearing it and trying to interact with them. They also have almost zero desire to try it out.

I figure there are way more people like my family out there than there are of people like me. I think (lack of) sales bears this out.

 

[JPack]

Yea because there is NO WAY for any of the R&D to be used in ANY other product like putting visionOS in glasses with a small AR screen like what META did... It just all gets thrown out right?

The Vision Pro is like the Mac Pro, expensive and niche but massively pushes technology forward.

Apple glasses won't even run visionOS. The entire OS will be different, similar to how watchOS is entirely different from iOS.

 

[maflynn]

The thing is, my family wants nothing to do with me while I’m using it.

Interesting point, and a similar perspective that I provided. One feature that the folks who love and defend the AVP point to how its a great device to watch a movie - I'm sure it is, provided you're alone. If you have a family, a partner, or are wanting to watch tv with friends, you cannot do that with your AVP. I recall one member recommending that you buy an AVP for each of our family so you can watch together, that in many ways seems very dystopian and in all honesty hope it never comes to that.

 

[Hajj.david]

Apple glasses won't even run visionOS. The entire OS will be different, similar to how watchOS is entirely different from iOS.

Based on what besides PURE conjecture? Why would Apple continue to invest in frequent updates and added features every few months on a dead end OS. It makes zero sense. Unless they plan on keeping the AVP as a niche product like the former mac pro or the mac studio with the ultra chip

 

[JPack]

Based on what besides PURE conjecture? Why would Apple continue to invest in frequent updates and added features every few months on a dead end OS. It makes zero sense.

Based on common sense.

Do you really expect visionOS, which requires an M-chip and R-chip to somehow run on silicon and battery that fits within an eyeglass frame?

It's like questioning back in 2014 whether Apple Watch would run iOS. Of course it won't.

 

[Hajj.david]

Interesting point, and a similar perspective that I provided. One feature that the folks who love and defend the AVP point to how its a great device to watch a movie - I'm sure it is, provided you're alone. If you have a family, a partner, or are wanting to watch tv with friends, you cannot do that with your AVP. I recall one member recommending that you buy an AVP for each of our family so you can watch together, that in many ways seems very dystopian and in all honesty hope it never comes to that.

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My wife likes to watch social media videos and bed and wants me next to her. I don't want to be doom scrolling so I throw on my AVP and watch an amazing movie or show while scratching her back. Win win for both as I can enjoy 3D content on a HUGE screen floating on my roof.

During the day I am working (remotely) in my office I throw on my AVP and cut out all of the visual noise and work besides a beautiful mountain with a nice 5k2k virtual display wherever I want including if I want to lounge around my couch. Since most of my work is very heavy and taxing on my machines normally my MBP gets EXTREMELY HOT even with fans on max and my hands sweat. With the AVP I put it to the side and just use a keyboard and mouse connected via bluetooth and have my important windows like teams, mail, messages, my dashboards floating everywhere I need them to be.

For an entertainment, traveling, and productivity device there is nothing else like it on the market. Its truly an absolute beast to use day and night.

 

[Hajj.david]

Based on common sense.

Do you really expect visionOS, which requires an M-chip and R-chip to somehow run on silicon and battery that fits within an eyeglass frame?

It's like questioning back in 2014 whether Apple Watch would run iOS. Of course it won't.

Do you really expect macOS, which requires an M-chip to run on a cell phone chip...oops. If they killed off eyesight and VR and the need to drive 2 4k screens for each eye that would instantly and massively cut down on resources needed to run vision OS.

 

[JPack]

Do you really expect macOS, which requires an M-chip to run on a cell phone chip...oops. If they killed off eyesight and VR and the need to drive 2 4k screens for each eye that would instantly and massively cut down on resources needed to run vision OS.

You don't seem to be aware the first macOS called Big Sur for Apple Silicon was already on an A-series chip back in June 2020.

Apple doesn't do a hack job like you describe. That's why they're called Apple. Everything Apple makes is custom designed, including software.

 

[Hajj.david]

You don't seem to be aware the first macOS called Big Sur for Apple Silicon was already on an A-series chip back in June 2020.

Apple doesn't do a hack job like you describe. That's why they're called Apple. Everything Apple makes is custom designed, including software.

I am not only aware but I was one of the early beta testers who had the mac mini with the a12z processor. To think VisionOS wouldn't extend to glasses, you know, VISION is silly. the OS itself is very light its a derivative of iPadOS, its the tons of cameras, sensors, dual 4k OLED displays which suck a ton of power.

The original Vision Pro runs on an M2, already the A18 processor is faster and more efficient in almost every metric and again thats with all of the heavy duty processing needed for AR and VR to work, something glasses would not need. It is not difficult to imagine it working in glasses if they can get the screen experience working well.

Edit: Also lol at the last sentence, every single OS they create at a minimum is a derivative from their other OSes. If they do make another OS (doubtful) it will pull a ton from visionOS and share the same foundations.

 

[JPack]

I am not only aware but I was one of the early beta testers who had the mac mini with the a12z processor. To think VisionOS wouldn't extend to glasses, you know, VISION is silly. the OS itself is very light its a derivative of iPadOS, its the tons of cameras, sensors, dual 4k OLED displays which suck a ton of power.

The original Vision Pro runs on an M2, already the A18 processor is faster and more efficient in almost every metric and again thats with all of the heavy duty processing needed for AR and VR to work, something glasses would not need. It is not difficult to imagine it working in glasses if they can get the screen experience working well.

Glasses can't fit an A18 chip, period. It won't fit physically or electrically due to limited power and thermals.

This means means S11 SiP at most with 2GB or 4GB RAM. Battery capacity would be maybe 3% of Vision Pro.

Glasses are intended to tether to iPhone, unlike visionOS. This means an order of magnitude less resources, from processing, to storage, to battery.

Again, Apple isn't going to do a hack job on visionOS and force it into a pair of glasses. If you want to believe it, that's fine. But history says otherwise.

 

[subjonas]

Interesting point, and a similar perspective that I provided. One feature that the folks who love and defend the AVP point to how its a great device to watch a movie - I'm sure it is, provided you're alone. If you have a family, a partner, or are wanting to watch tv with friends, you cannot do that with your AVP. I recall one member recommending that you buy an AVP for each of our family so you can watch together, that in many ways seems very dystopian and in all honesty hope it never comes to that.

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I generally agree it's impractical for an entire family to have and use headsets together, but not because it's dystopian. That word gets thrown around in this forum too often in my opinion. One reason being by itself I don't think it holds much meaning, unless one breaks down what specifically is the negative aspect that makes the supposedly dystopian thing dystopian. But when it's broken down, I find it's often just a knee-jerk overreaction, sometimes because it's attached to unrealistic assumptions. If a family is enjoying an AR/VR experience together using headsets, what does it matter if they look odd to an outsider? One could argue that it's dystopian if this were the MAIN way they interacted (rarely seeing each other in analog), just like it would be dystopian if they only saw each other via FaceTime. But why jump to that conclusion? It would likely be a small percentage of their interaction time, and if so then I don't see where the dystopia is. To me, what's much worse and all too common is a family sitting around with each person on their phone, or even more common everyone in their own rooms on their phones. Personal devices like phones and tablets and headphones have done much more to isolate people in our society than any headset has. But headsets can actually be a bit better in that they have the theoretical capacity to be both personal and social in ways that other devices can't.

The obvious price issue aside, I say it's impractical for a family because there aren't (as of now) many shared experiences that are better on headsets. A movie can be enjoyed together on a large screen TV or even at the movie theater. A board game can be played together IRL. Headsets would only be practical for a family if there were a lot more novel experiences they could share that they otherwise couldn't in real life for practical reasons. Maybe someday there will be a lot more good unique experiences and use cases for headsets (VP or something like it), then maybe (and if it's cheap enough) it could be practical for a household.

But just like phones, tablets, laptops, and any personal device, I see a headset as mostly something to use when not interacting with other people in one's vicinity--either to get work/productivity done, or to consume something that others around you aren't interested in consuming. To me, a headset and eg. a phone are no different in when they should be used--when there is no expectation to socialize. A phone is simply faster to start and stop using, but the fundamental usage is the same. The only fundamental sense in which most headsets are more isolating than other personal devices is that they hide the eyes. But if that can be solved in a manner that is socially acceptable (or becomes socially acceptable), then the only difference is that a headset takes more time to start and stop using. But even if eye contact can be adequately solved, I also think all headsets should have flip up masks.

 

[Ctrlos]

Exactly, and that's one of the major reasons this product flopped, regular consumers were not going to rush to this new product.

Let me say that I believe Apple's expectation was higher sales, because we later learned they reduced the manufacturing of the AVP (a few times?) due to lower then expected demand

The marketing was all over the place from day-one. Trying to position a device whose huge cost can be swallowd as a business expense or tax write-off as a mass market entertainment device was never going to work.

Apple didn't release it as one of those cool concept devices Sony likes to throw out every now and again but they should have. They should have been getting companies like Autodesk and institutions like MIT building crazy **** for its launch, not showing a father taking pictures in a way that will never actually happen. You put a device in the same price bracket as the Mac Pro and expect people to use it as an Apple TV.

I don't know if a second-gen model will ever get out the R&D lab but it seems like its true MO has been as a virtual studio display. If they built the next one as a viable competitor to something like the X-Real Air that looked innocuous and ran straight from a USB-C port I think they'd have a hit.

 

[leifp]

I believe that a new VisionPro will come out with an M7 or M8 generation chip. Around that time they could also release a more entry-level one either directly powered by the iPhone or using an A series chip, although that might well be the “glasses” version that’s being mooted.

Personally, I was waiting on the M5 generation Studios before getting the M5 VisionPro since I have no interest whatsoever in its AR capabilities but rather its VR capabilities. Thanks to the universe I expect to get neither… a M7/8 powered, lighter (without fake eyes, for example), with more visual improvements would do me most fine. Assuming rumours calling for the demise of the project are wrong (which I fervently hope)…

 

[maxoakland]

Who knows. Apple has a bad habit of releasing a product and just letting it sit there until they silently cancel it if it’s not successful. Even if there are obvious flaws that made it that way. Look at the Mac Pro

 

[turbineseaplane]

Based on what besides PURE conjecture?

Based upon the hardware requirements to run VisionOS

The only thing Vision Pro and VisionOS might have in common with any Apple PervPro Glasses will be that they "go on your face".

 

[MacCheetah3]

I hope there's another version/iteration. Of course, I have no actual info. However, we shouldn't ignore some valid data regarding guesses/predictions.

The Vision Pro is like the Mac Pro, expensive and niche but massively pushes technology forward.

Most recent example:

Apple Vision Pro Speeds Up Surgery by Almost 20%

Surgeons who wore an Apple Vision Pro as their primary display during a tear duct procedure finished operations 19% faster than surgeons using a traditional monitor, according to a peer-reviewed study by UC San Diego. The study, published in the journal AJO International (via iPhone in Canada)...

www.macrumors.com

On a similar plane:

Mac Virtual Display - Definitely the Killer App

I yesterday had my first experience where I went to grab my new AVP because I needed it, not wanted to play with it, and that confirmed my suspicion that the Mac virtual display would, at this stage, be the killer app for the thing. I was working from home on my laptop, which is a pretty good...

forums.macrumors.com

I still would not dub it a "killer feature," but it has plenty of potential significance. For example, it allows your MBP to have a massive display that's completely private. Plus, of course, you can add (AVP/iPad apps) to your virtual working environment.

Solely consumption, such as theater-style movie watching, is mostly a bonus.

And as I pointed out in the similar discussion...

Apple Vision Pro - Apple's worst product?

Worst apple product? That's what this YT describes the AVP, it goes through many reasons. I like how this YTer mentioned that where apple succeeded in a product, it was in a previously established market, i.e., MP3 players were already popular, Apple improved it with the iPod. Cell phones...

forums.macrumors.com

...Apple and third-party devs should rebound on AR.

 

[Piggie]

Whilst I'd love to see a new lightweight sleeker Vision Pro. Ideally for a much lower price.
My current gut feeling is Apple have decided to shelf the concept.

They will keep the product going as it will act as a good dev platform to help in the creation of software for future Apple smart glasses but for the Vision Pro as a product I think it's dead.

Most of us understand the REAL main feature for VR headsets, where you have to make the effort to strap a chunky device onto your face it gaming/entertainment.

And Apple decided to fully deny this was the market.

It's like knowing the most enthusiastic market for your new product and deliberately deciding not to appeal to the only demographic who wants the product the most 😀
Instead aiming the product at "normal users" who did not already have or want a chunky headset.

And guess what..... those consumers, still did not want a chunky headset... LOL

As so many have said, it really should not have been aimed at a typical user at home, chatting with friends, packing their suitcase for a holiday whilst wearing it (god knows who thought that was a good use case to advertise) and playing with your kids whilst wearing it.

It should have been more of a Dev kit, which was offered to the public also. Not try and fail to make it an everyday product.

It's almost as if Apple felt they knew better, No one else knew what they were used for, and they were not interested in the current VR users.

Arrogance I guess would be a good term.