When is Apple bringing out Apple Vision Pro 2?

[Jumpthesnark]

When is Apple bringing out Apple Vision Pro 2?

I’m wondering when Apple is bringing out Apple Vision Pro 2 that is less bulky and longer battery life?

Was there not Apple Vision that was suppose to be cheaper and less bulky?

No one here has actual insight into Apple's business plans regarding the Vision Pro, no one. They only have opinions informed by their biases for or against this device. But MR has a page here with all the information you want on the AVP, just do some reading.

This is what MR posted there about a possible successor to the AVP:

Apple is allegedly continuing to develop new technologies and materials with the eventual goal of releasing a cheaper, lighter enclosed headset. No new version of the Vision Pro is in active development, and it will be at least two years before there is a new model, if not longer. A new Vision Pro is unlikely to come out until late 2028 or 2029, according to Bloomberg's Mark Gurman.

Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo does not believe Apple is working on a new headset. Kuo says there are only two smart glasses products in development, including the AI smart glasses that Apple is creating to rival the Meta Ray-Bans and a display-equipped set of AR smart glasses.

"I think removing the Vision Pro line was the right call, as Apple shifts resources toward smart glasses with greater mass-market potential," he wrote.

 

[maflynn]

It was released as tomorrow’s technology today for people who could afford to play around with it. They never set it up for more than that

Nonsense.

That's the excuse many apple fans get behind to rationalize the poor performance and failure of the product. Apple being a for profit company and rumored to have spent 7 to 10 billion dollars on it. They were not looking to to get this into a few hands, but rather a new product category.

Tim Cook:

"Apple Vision Pro is the most advanced consumer electronics device ever created. Its revolutionary and magical user interface will redefine how we connect, create, and explore."

You don't say its going to be a revolutionary device and redefine how we do things, if it was only a device for a few users.

 

[Populus]

When is Apple bringing out Apple Vision Pro 2?

I’m wondering when Apple is bringing out Apple Vision Pro 2 that is less bulky and longer battery life?

Was there not Apple Vision that was suppose to be cheaper and less bulky?

You mean… the M5 Vision Pro? It already has the latest chip, and I wouldn’t expect a new Apple Vision, Pro or non-Pro, anytime soon…

Like it’s been already said, it sold quite poorly…

According to the rumors, Apple is now centering their research into the smart glasses field.

 

[Rychiar]

Nonsense.

That's the excuse many apple fans get behind to rationalize the poor performance and failure of the product. Apple being a for profit company and rumored to have spent 7 to 10 billion dollars on it. They were not looking to to get this into a few hands, but rather a new product category.

Tim Cook:


You don't say its going to be a revolutionary device and redefine how we do things, if it was only a device for a few users.

any $3500+ entertainment device is only going to be a for a few users....

 

[maflynn]

any $3500+ entertainment device is only going to be a for a few users....

Exactly, and that's one of the major reasons this product flopped, regular consumers were not going to rush to this new product.

Let me say that I believe Apple's expectation was higher sales, because we later learned they reduced the manufacturing of the AVP (a few times?) due to lower then expected demand

 

[poorcody]

I hope they'll keep it limping along with software updates for a few years to see if the technology will get small enough to make it a reasonable size (and less expensive). Maybe the software will be adapted for their glasses.

 

[Lounge vibes 05]

Exactly, and that's one of the major reasons this product flopped, regular consumers were not going to rush to this new product.

Let me say that I believe Apple's expectation was higher sales, because we later learned they reduced the manufacturing of the AVP (a few times?) due to lower then expected demand

This doesn’t mean anything, Apple cuts iPhone production literally every single year after the initial wave. It’s not particularly useful information.

 

[maflynn]

This doesn’t mean anything, Apple cuts iPhone production literally every single year after the initial wave. It’s not particularly useful information.

Except when see articles like this: Report: Apple Vision Pro Is Still Failing to Catch On and this Apple reportedly cuts production of Vision Pro headset after poor sales Oh and this Apple Has Given Up on the Vision Pro After M5 Refresh Flop

Clearly we see a picture where Apple thought it was producing a new revolutionary product, but consumers stayed away, so reducing production in light of a tepid response does make sense and helps paint a picture of a product that flopped.

 

[PBG4 Dude]

I like my AVP. Totally dig it actually. Great for gaming, either local stuff or streamed from my gaming laptop.

Works great as a KVM. I’m connected to my Windows PC using the Windows app and MVD for my MBP and now I can swap between computers with a single mouse click. I have mouse and keyboard bound to the AVP, and use local Safari instances to keep the PC displays uncluttered.

Meditating is actually more relaxing than I thought it would be.

The thing is, my family wants nothing to do with me while I’m using it. Even though they know I can see them and whatnot, they’re just put off by me wearing it and trying to interact with them. They also have almost zero desire to try it out.

I figure there are way more people like my family out there than there are of people like me. I think (lack of) sales bears this out.

 

[JPack]

Yea because there is NO WAY for any of the R&D to be used in ANY other product like putting visionOS in glasses with a small AR screen like what META did... It just all gets thrown out right?

The Vision Pro is like the Mac Pro, expensive and niche but massively pushes technology forward.

Apple glasses won't even run visionOS. The entire OS will be different, similar to how watchOS is entirely different from iOS.

 

[maflynn]

The thing is, my family wants nothing to do with me while I’m using it.

Interesting point, and a similar perspective that I provided. One feature that the folks who love and defend the AVP point to how its a great device to watch a movie - I'm sure it is, provided you're alone. If you have a family, a partner, or are wanting to watch tv with friends, you cannot do that with your AVP. I recall one member recommending that you buy an AVP for each of our family so you can watch together, that in many ways seems very dystopian and in all honesty hope it never comes to that.

 

[Hajj.david]

Apple glasses won't even run visionOS. The entire OS will be different, similar to how watchOS is entirely different from iOS.

Based on what besides PURE conjecture? Why would Apple continue to invest in frequent updates and added features every few months on a dead end OS. It makes zero sense. Unless they plan on keeping the AVP as a niche product like the former mac pro or the mac studio with the ultra chip

 

[JPack]

Based on what besides PURE conjecture? Why would Apple continue to invest in frequent updates and added features every few months on a dead end OS. It makes zero sense.

Based on common sense.

Do you really expect visionOS, which requires an M-chip and R-chip to somehow run on silicon and battery that fits within an eyeglass frame?

It's like questioning back in 2014 whether Apple Watch would run iOS. Of course it won't.

 

[Hajj.david]

Interesting point, and a similar perspective that I provided. One feature that the folks who love and defend the AVP point to how its a great device to watch a movie - I'm sure it is, provided you're alone. If you have a family, a partner, or are wanting to watch tv with friends, you cannot do that with your AVP. I recall one member recommending that you buy an AVP for each of our family so you can watch together, that in many ways seems very dystopian and in all honesty hope it never comes to that.

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My wife likes to watch social media videos and bed and wants me next to her. I don't want to be doom scrolling so I throw on my AVP and watch an amazing movie or show while scratching her back. Win win for both as I can enjoy 3D content on a HUGE screen floating on my roof.

During the day I am working (remotely) in my office I throw on my AVP and cut out all of the visual noise and work besides a beautiful mountain with a nice 5k2k virtual display wherever I want including if I want to lounge around my couch. Since most of my work is very heavy and taxing on my machines normally my MBP gets EXTREMELY HOT even with fans on max and my hands sweat. With the AVP I put it to the side and just use a keyboard and mouse connected via bluetooth and have my important windows like teams, mail, messages, my dashboards floating everywhere I need them to be.

For an entertainment, traveling, and productivity device there is nothing else like it on the market. Its truly an absolute beast to use day and night.

 

[Hajj.david]

Based on common sense.

Do you really expect visionOS, which requires an M-chip and R-chip to somehow run on silicon and battery that fits within an eyeglass frame?

It's like questioning back in 2014 whether Apple Watch would run iOS. Of course it won't.

Do you really expect macOS, which requires an M-chip to run on a cell phone chip...oops. If they killed off eyesight and VR and the need to drive 2 4k screens for each eye that would instantly and massively cut down on resources needed to run vision OS.

 

[JPack]

Do you really expect macOS, which requires an M-chip to run on a cell phone chip...oops. If they killed off eyesight and VR and the need to drive 2 4k screens for each eye that would instantly and massively cut down on resources needed to run vision OS.

You don't seem to be aware the first macOS called Big Sur for Apple Silicon was already on an A-series chip back in June 2020.

Apple doesn't do a hack job like you describe. That's why they're called Apple. Everything Apple makes is custom designed, including software.

 

[Hajj.david]

You don't seem to be aware the first macOS called Big Sur for Apple Silicon was already on an A-series chip back in June 2020.

Apple doesn't do a hack job like you describe. That's why they're called Apple. Everything Apple makes is custom designed, including software.

I am not only aware but I was one of the early beta testers who had the mac mini with the a12z processor. To think VisionOS wouldn't extend to glasses, you know, VISION is silly. the OS itself is very light its a derivative of iPadOS, its the tons of cameras, sensors, dual 4k OLED displays which suck a ton of power.

The original Vision Pro runs on an M2, already the A18 processor is faster and more efficient in almost every metric and again thats with all of the heavy duty processing needed for AR and VR to work, something glasses would not need. It is not difficult to imagine it working in glasses if they can get the screen experience working well.

Edit: Also lol at the last sentence, every single OS they create at a minimum is a derivative from their other OSes. If they do make another OS (doubtful) it will pull a ton from visionOS and share the same foundations.

 

[JPack]

I am not only aware but I was one of the early beta testers who had the mac mini with the a12z processor. To think VisionOS wouldn't extend to glasses, you know, VISION is silly. the OS itself is very light its a derivative of iPadOS, its the tons of cameras, sensors, dual 4k OLED displays which suck a ton of power.

The original Vision Pro runs on an M2, already the A18 processor is faster and more efficient in almost every metric and again thats with all of the heavy duty processing needed for AR and VR to work, something glasses would not need. It is not difficult to imagine it working in glasses if they can get the screen experience working well.

Glasses can't fit an A18 chip, period. It won't fit physically or electrically due to limited power and thermals.

This means means S11 SiP at most with 2GB or 4GB RAM. Battery capacity would be maybe 3% of Vision Pro.

Glasses are intended to tether to iPhone, unlike visionOS. This means an order of magnitude less resources, from processing, to storage, to battery.

Again, Apple isn't going to do a hack job on visionOS and force it into a pair of glasses. If you want to believe it, that's fine. But history says otherwise.