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When is Apple going to kill 16GB?

techspin said:
I think the point of the thread is the baseline memory should be higher as the rest of the phone improves.
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I think the point of the thread is that some people just don't to pay for stuff.
How else can they argue that 8GB isn't enough when larger capacity devices are freely available?

Apple has raised the baseline capacity. The first generation iPhone had a 4GB base and a 16GB maximum. Then they moved the base to 8GB and our current maximum is 64GB. You can be certain that those numbers will continue to go up over time.
 
Ok, lets spell this out...

Current prices (subsidized US from the Apple site)

16GB - $199
32GB - $299
64GB - $399

Kill the 16GB!!!! Arrggghhh!!

Ok, what if Apple kills the 16GB and offers for the 4.7 iPhone 6 (as rumored, 2 sizes, with no 128GB except for the rumored 5.5, doesn't matter)

32GB - $299
64GB - $399

You get what you want... right? The 16GB killed and the base model is 32GB

But wait, that ISN'T what you want... you want the 32GB at the $199 price point

My point is... it isn't the size that is the issue... who cares if they sell a 16GB (or 8GB or 4GB)
It is the PRICE that is the issue

Just say you want lower prices across the board... simple (not that it will happen necessarily)

Just eliminating the 16GB does not guarantee that the 32GB will sell at the previous 16GB price
It might, it might not

For those saying the price is too premium for that you get... hmmmm, that's Apple isn't it?
You are either willing to pay it or you aren't
 
not this year, because there are too many users who will buy an 8gb 5c, or 5s. witchever s announced, simply because they dont realize how little that amount of storage is, and apple will say "well, 8gb phones are definantly selling!"
 
i am one of the user that will never pay $100 extra for the extra storage. thanks to you all that continue paying for it so apple just keeps the same pricing structure.
 
I bought the 16 GB version because that is what I wanted, not because it was the entry level. Didn't need 32 GB or 64....:p Will do same again if offered.
 
MacDawg said:
Ok, lets spell this out...

Current prices (subsidized US from the Apple site)

16GB - $199
32GB - $299
64GB - $399

Kill the 16GB!!!! Arrggghhh!!

Ok, what if Apple kills the 16GB and offers for the 4.7 iPhone 6 (as rumored, 2 sizes, with no 128GB except for the rumored 5.5, doesn't matter)

32GB - $299
64GB - $399

You get what you want... right? The 16GB killed and the base model is 32GB

But wait, that ISN'T what you want... you want the 32GB at the $199 price point

My point is... it isn't the size that is the issue... who cares if they sell a 16GB (or 8GB or 4GB)
It is the PRICE that is the issue

Just say you want lower prices across the board... simple (not that it will happen necessarily)

Just eliminating the 16GB does not guarantee that the 32GB will sell at the previous 16GB price
It might, it might not

For those saying the price is too premium for that you get... hmmmm, that's Apple isn't it?
You are either willing to pay it or you aren't
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I disagree. I can afford the 32GB model and I purchase it. I just resent paying £75-100 more for something which costs Apple peanuts. A 16GB SD card costs me £5 and whilst I appreciate that flash memory costs more than SD cards, it doesn't cost as much as Apple charge. I'm paying for the phone and I'm paying for the 16GB. They then shouldn't charge me an extortionate amount to upgrade that 16GB to 32GB, when 16GB is rarely enough these days anyway.
 
chabig said:
I think the point of the thread is that some people just don't to pay for stuff.
How else can they argue that 8GB isn't enough when larger capacity devices are freely available?

Apple has raised the baseline capacity. The first generation iPhone had a 4GB base and a 16GB maximum. Then they moved the base to 8GB and our current maximum is 64GB. You can be certain that those numbers will continue to go up over time.
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Yes, they have raised the baseline storage capacity. It'd be nice for them do to it again.

MacDawg said:
Ok, lets spell this out...

Current prices (subsidized US from the Apple site)

16GB - $199
32GB - $299
64GB - $399

Kill the 16GB!!!! Arrggghhh!!

Ok, what if Apple kills the 16GB and offers for the 4.7 iPhone 6 (as rumored, 2 sizes, with no 128GB except for the rumored 5.5, doesn't matter)

32GB - $299
64GB - $399

You get what you want... right? The 16GB killed and the base model is 32GB

But wait, that ISN'T what you want... you want the 32GB at the $199 price point

My point is... it isn't the size that is the issue... who cares if they sell a 16GB (or 8GB or 4GB)
It is the PRICE that is the issue

Just say you want lower prices across the board... simple (not that it will happen necessarily)

Just eliminating the 16GB does not guarantee that the 32GB will sell at the previous 16GB price
It might, it might not

For those saying the price is too premium for that you get... hmmmm, that's Apple isn't it?
You are either willing to pay it or you aren't
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I'd like higher memory across the board. Price per GB will inevitably go down, and it'd be nice for it to happen sooner rather than later. You're essentially saying, "Nooo! You have to pay more to have more memory." But you can still pay for the max no matter what it is. ;) As tech advances and requires more storage for data (camera, OS, etc), Apple will increase the baseline storage. I don't think the OP is advocating reducing memory options by removing the 16GB option and keeping the prices the same.
 
sunking101 said:
I disagree. I can afford the 32GB model and I purchase it. I just resent paying £75-100 more for something which costs Apple peanuts. A 16GB SD card costs me £5 and whilst I appreciate that flash memory costs more than SD cards, it doesn't cost as much as Apple charge. I'm paying for the phone and I'm paying for the 16GB. They then shouldn't charge me an extortionate amount to upgrade that 16GB to 32GB, when 16GB is rarely enough these days anyway.
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Then you fall into that category of "not willing to pay"
 
MacDawg said:
Ok, lets spell this out...

Current prices (subsidized US from the Apple site)

16GB - $199
32GB - $299
64GB - $399

Kill the 16GB!!!! Arrggghhh!!

Ok, what if Apple kills the 16GB and offers for the 4.7 iPhone 6 (as rumored, 2 sizes, with no 128GB except for the rumored 5.5, doesn't matter)

32GB - $299
64GB - $399

You get what you want... right? The 16GB killed and the base model is 32GB

But wait, that ISN'T what you want... you want the 32GB at the $199 price point

My point is... it isn't the size that is the issue... who cares if they sell a 16GB (or 8GB or 4GB)
It is the PRICE that is the issue

Just say you want lower prices across the board... simple (not that it will happen necessarily)

Just eliminating the 16GB does not guarantee that the 32GB will sell at the previous 16GB price
It might, it might not

For those saying the price is too premium for that you get... hmmmm, that's Apple isn't it?
You are either willing to pay it or you aren't
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Ofcourse it's about lower prices. But you're reasoning like there's something wrong for that, which I don't understand.

The point is that selling a $1000 phone with 16GB is ridiculous. I don't want to buy a banana for $10 although I can afford it. I don't want to buy $1000 socks. I don't want to pay a ridiculous amount of money for my iPhone. I'm fine with a premium, whatever, but it's getting ridiculous.

A 32GB 5S is literally twice the price of a Nexus 5 32GB (€800 vs €400).
 
techspin said:
I don't think the OP is advocating reducing memory options by removing the 16GB option and keeping the prices the same.
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Obviously not, he wants the 32GB at the 16GB price
But that is not guaranteed by dropping the 16GB
Raising the storage options doesn't help either

The bottom line is PRICE, not storage sizes
I'd like lower prices too, but raising the base storage doesn't guarantee lower prices
 
Givmeabrek said:
iPhone is a premium device and will sell at a premium price. Buy whatever phone you like. Demand will determine the price. :apple:
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For a "premium device" they are being very stingy with the storage. If they want to keep the iPhone as a premium device they need to make sure it is better than the competition.
Personally the price they charge for storage upgrades has caused me to only upgrade every other year rather than yearly.
 
Merkie said:
Of course it's about lower prices. But you're reasoning like there's something wrong for that, which I don't understand.
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Not in the least, I am just saying dropping the 16GB doesn't guarantee Apple will charge less for a 32GB

Instead of saying kill the 16GB, say lower prices for storage, that's all
Who cares if they sell 16GB
 
MacDawg said:
Not in the least, I am just saying dropping the 16GB doesn't guarantee Apple will charge less for a 32GB

Instead of saying kill the 16GB, say lower prices for storage, that's all
Who cares if they sell 16GB
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Semantics. I wouldn't care too much if they kept the 16GB but lowered the upgrade prices substantially. Really though, as iPhones don't have an SD card port they should be offering 32GB as the base model. 16GB as the base model of a premium device costing the earth and which doesn't have an SD port, is scandalous.
 
sunking101 said:
Semantics. I wouldn't care too much if they kept the 16GB but lowered the upgrade prices substantially. Really though, as iPhones don't have an SD card port they should be offering 32GB as the base model. 16GB as the base model of a premium device costing the earth and which doesn't have an SD port, is scandalous.
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Apple is no stranger to being accused of charging too much for their devices and accessories, especially memory
 
Mechayoshi said:
16 gb is for the people that want a device at the base price and will only stream music and movies while using only a few apps. Since a lot of people fall under that category, why would that storage option disappear?
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Because 8 disappeared.
 
Imagine all the money apple wouldn't make by starting at 32gb.

You'd have all the people that pay extra for 32 gb getting it at no additional charge. And you'd have all the people that get 16gb normally getting hardware at no additional charge.

Double whammy, Apple won't do that. Not until the cost difference or manufacturing process yields little gain between the 2 will you see that.
 
MacDawg said:
Not in the least, I am just saying dropping the 16GB doesn't guarantee Apple will charge less for a 32GB

Instead of saying kill the 16GB, say lower prices for storage, that's all
Who cares if they sell 16GB
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I'll reiterate that my point is most certainly that the price for storage has dropped so why not give Apple users more value for their money?

I am certain that you once valued your money and you can probably appreciate getting more bang for your buck. This isn't about willing or ability to pay and no one can dispute that users pay a premium for Apple, but there is room for Apple to bring value to their consumers. I think you just take some rather valid points and dismiss them in such a condescending manner that it is sad.

I think there is still a great deal of profit for Apple if 32GB is the base because again, price for flash storage has come down quite a bit. Profits really do not seem like they'd suffer.
 
Is paying $100 to go from 16GB to 32GB ridiculous? YES

Is Apple getting 90% profit from the upgrade? YES

Will I pay the extra $100 to get a 32GB Iphone 6? YES

So this continues until Apple feels the need to change it. Since they offered 8GB models to sell for pennies cheaper in other countries, it doesn't seem like they are ready.

Mavericks for free last year was a surprise.

Cheaper Icloud coming soon was a surprise but market driven.

32GB base $199 price.... not so much
 
Every iPhone i've had has been 16GB and I'm sure it has for a lot of people. I see what you're getting at though.
 
Not everyone needs a bunch of space, especially from a business standpoint. Not all that long ago when a company issued phone was a blackberry, they did not have a ton of storage, but yet somehow had plenty of room for email, texting and some applications, and they got the job done, all work related tasks and some personal. Fast forward a ways, we issued lots of iPhone 4S's, 8 GB model. They are perfect for standard business use. Plenty of room for email, texting and phone calls, minimal apps, again all work related tasks and some personal. They work fine and get the job done.

Everyone has different needs/wants.
 
I went from a 32Gb iPhone 3GS to a 16Gb iPhone 5 for cost reasons.

Biggest mistake. It regularly has nearly 2Gb of "other" data that I've done everything from deleting and re-configuring my email (after deleting all old emails off in a way that wouldn't just download them again) to deleting messages, having barely 1Gb of apps on the phone and only downloading app updates via iTunes instead of via the iPhone.

I'd be happy for them to follow suit with their doubling of RAM on recent Macs to a doubling of storage on iPhones.

They buy enough flash to swallow the cost and still make a fortune in profit, lets have 32, 64 and 128Gb iPhones with just a premium for the bigger model (which they should only offer in 64 and 128Gb versions too).
 
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