When to Expect Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to Launch on iPad Tomorrow

[StoneJack]

Do you think that will prevent them from going subscription if they desire it?

• Basically, purchased version updates freeze. Only "new" subscription version gets upgrades going forward.
• Something is changed in how video libraries is stored that requires new version. Old version can't open videos created/stored on new version of iDevice versions. All similar collaboration or Mac-to-Mac collaboration starts "failing" unless all Macs are updated.
• Something is changed with the plugin approach that requires the new version.
• Some things are changed in macOS on which FCPX depends. Must upgrade macOS for crucial security updates or similar and only the new version of FCPX works with the new version of macOS.
• And so on. Eventually the subscription-free version is practically useless, unless you keep Mac updates frozen (macOS, FCPX, plugins, underpinning libraries, etc) and use only cameras and camera formats compatible with that generation of FCPX and macOS.

Notice how iWork apps evolve like this. Develop/edit a new version of a file on any Mac running new macOS and/or updated iWork version number and that file will not open on older Mac running older version of iWork apps. Why wouldn't Apple do the same with this (if they wanted)? Many have paid for iWork apps too at one point or another.

With such ideas in my head, I don't know how I want this to go:

• Subscription acceptance will spread subscription revenue opportunism to other apps (I don't see why the beancounters would want the "same" apps on Mac to be immune).
• A good amount of subscription rejection might get pro app updates limited to iDevices because that's where the "services" revenue is made (financially justifying the attention). No "new money" Mac version gets left behind.
• Complete subscription rejection seems unlikely as many want pro apps on iPads.

Thinking it through from all angles, I only see this leading to subscription models being applied to Apple apps. It seems it would take very strong rejection from most to make beancounters reconsider. I wonder if even macOS, iOS, etc will remain "free" (upgrades) once this starts piling up in "services" revenue tabulations.

You don't understand the role of pro apps on Mac if you think Apple will go into subscription mode for them. Apple earns money from the ecosystem and wants to develop Mac ecosystem, which thrives only if you have pro apps for them. And they earn 500 dollars from a sale of both apps, which is quite substantial. They don't need monthly income as most developers do. In addition, they have free versions of both apps: Garageband and iMovie, both of which are updated in sync with their pro versions. There might be a sub version, hey everything is possible, but probably it works best on mobile, rather than computer side.

 

[Fabian90]

Can I work with FCP on an external SSD?

 

[rm5]

Let’s look at the industry standard for video editing, AVID. That is now on a subscription model. Adobe Premiere Pro is on subscription. Like it or not, things are moving to subscription in the NLE field.

You're right, but there are also plenty of well-known alternatives like Resolve and FCP (the Mac version that's prepaid). You have a point though

 

[JustinePaula]

"Apple earns money from the ecosystem and wants to develop Mac ecosystem"
No Apple does not want to develop the Mac eco system, if this was to be true, then 2 things would have to be occurring...
1: Frequent updates of pro applications, it has been years since FCP had a major feature update, 6 months since the last bug fix, there is only a 1 way system, us to Apple, and no feedback from Apple...

2: The devices that are used to run Pro Apps, need to professional in design, that is post purchase upgrade, RAM, SSD, battery etc, so that devices can be used....

Case in point FCP for IPAD, for any usefulness you have to invest in the $2000 2TB 12inch ipad, which is the top of the range, any less than that, and parts of the app are useless to you, I assume this was by design by Apple to have you invest in the lest popular ipad...

Apple could afford to charge $200 for the 2TB 12 inch ipad with 16GB of RAM, it would fly off the shelves, a lot of folks have to buy on terms, so make money on the interest, and like restaurants, the sauce and drinks, Apple should be thinking we could make more than 2grand if we sell parts, dongles, hard drives, keyboards, etc...

Once you get the ipad, the keyboard, the pencil, you really have a touchscreen mac, only the OS is different, but if it runs on the M chips Silicon, then what is the functional difference between ipad and an macbook air???

$2000 for an ipad is stupid, no way it costs Apple all in, more than about $75, where is the costs of almost $1900? Something just does not make sense... Anyway...

 

[Stehsegler9]

Can I work with FCP on an external SSD?

Apparently not at launch. All content has to be imported into a FCP library on the iPad. It's unclear at the moment if you can take that library and open it in FinalCutPro on Mac or if you have to export and EDL together with the content. I do hope it's something as simple as send your Library to the Mac and simply import into a FinalCutPro library there. At the very least though I hope you can export the iPad library to an external SSD for backup purpose.

I guess we'll see tomorrow.

 

[JustinePaula]

So in other words Apple is launching a broken app? If it does not work with externals, and in 2023 after over a decade of the ipad, and over 6 months since the last FCP update, that has to be an epic fail??

 

[MrCrowbar]

Logic Pro on iPad would be something, you can do a lot with the stock plugins on the Mac version. Honestly though, a 27" screen is barely enough, Logic makes terrible use of the screen real estate for the sake of design.

Final Cut Pro on the Mac is a joke, linear editing, bugs, awful usability. You can usually tell if a youTube video was edited with it because of glitchy cuts and clips showing through behind the current one on the edges.

 

[Stehsegler9]

Just had another look at the product page on Apple.com. Looks like key framing still doesn't have curves.

Also based on the fine print at the bottom of the page it seems they will be release Final Cut Pro 10.6.6 for Mac tomorrow as well. It also sounds like the motion templates that come with Finalcut pro for iPad were created by motionVFX. Let's hope that means using plugins for the Mac version will be supported on the iPad at some point.

 

[JustinePaula]

It is 11am here, so far no 1066 update, 2am PDT...nada updates...

 

[Stehsegler9]

Final Cut Pro on the Mac is a joke, linear editing, bugs, awful usability. You can usually tell if a youTube video was edited with it because of glitchy cuts and clips showing through behind the current one on the edges.

It's got it's faults on Mac but I wouldn't call it awful usability. Once you know how to work with the magnetic timeline it runs circles around other editing software. Resolve has really good colour grading tools but not having a magnetic timeline there is a major pain point. And don't get me started on clip selection. The option to multi select from a longer clip and complete all selection for a particular scene and then just drop all the selects into a timeline is a major timesaver for documentary style shoots.

 

[mdriftmeyer]

I just hope that Logic will support VST at some point. I have so many third part VST loaded into logic it will be hard to use it without them.

It never will support VST/VST3; hence the creation of Audio Units.

 

[TheDailyApple]

Some do. In fact, the UNIX BSD operating system is free and open-source. Steve Jobs and company simply copied the entire OS, put a graphical interface on it, and called it "macOS", or rather "NextStep" and then later changed it to MacOS.

Quite a lot of software is written by people who don't need to be compensated.

But also there is a lot of commercial software written by for-profit companies. It can be either way.

You have a point, but most of the whiners don’t seem interested in in open-source. People I’ve heard whining about Adobe subscriptions—for instance—are never interested in gimp, darktable, or Inkscape. I expect most of those who would be happy with open-source apps already are. The ones who complain are those who expect commercially polished software for free or a one-time nominal fee at most.

 

[djsound]

Logic on an Ipad...??weird...sounds lame haha

 

[SexExpert]

You have a point, but most of the whiners don’t seem interested in in open-source. People I’ve heard whining about Adobe subscriptions—for instance—are never interested in gimp, darktable, or Inkscape. I expect most of those who would be happy with open-source apps already are. The ones who complain are those who expect commercially polished software for free or a one-time nominal fee at most.

Where do you get 'for free or a one-time nominal fee' from? Pretty much everyone is happy to pay $$$$s to use pro software, and Apple has been doing just fine selling Logic to us for a not-nominal one-time-fee for 21 years now.

People aren't anti-subscription because of the cost - it's often cheaper in the long run. It's the principal of monthly penny pinching, yet another small amount of money leaving your bank account every month, not owning something you want to pay good money for, the potential danger of the app not being available if you're offline for any reason, or if Apple's subscription servers are down, or it being unavailable forever and all your projects being useless if Apple decides to stop supporting it.

What's also mildly insulting about this is that Apple are introducing subscriptions to Logic right when updates to the app are the most stagnant they've been in its entire history.

 

[NightFox]

If there's one positive that comes out of the current cost of living crisis, I hope it's that companies will start thinking twice about the subscription model.

A year or so ago, it was a cash cow. Why charge £100 for a piece of software when you could have customers subscribe @ £10/month and everything beyond 10 months was additional profit. Ker-ching!

However, now people are struggling, for maybe the first time they're looking at their bank statements and thinking "wow, I really have HOW much going out every month in subscriptions for things that aren't as important as food and heat?" And suddenly, you've got those same companies realising that software you would otherwise have bought last year for £100, you're now cancelling your subscription to after only 3 months and they've only had £30 out of you.

 

[User 6502]

Can we ever see a day where both software is purchased in perpetuity rather than on subscription?

Yes we can. The way to get to this day is to refuse subscriptions and avoid software who uses this model. Even if we like or need the software. Just use an older version that wasn’t subscription or a different product.

 

[JustinePaula]

What happened to Apple, with Steve Jobs, Apple was all on board for video and audio, great adverts, great laptops, great software, Final Cut Studio was brilliant, then it went in the toilet, no updates to final cut pro after 7.0.3... Radio Silence then FCPX, that fiasco... Hardware a decade behind camera software, then when there are updates, it is often so bizarre and ineffective updates... Apple has lost a lot of respect... Resolve is confusing, it is not sure what it wants to be, and Adobe is pure scamware/bloatware/trash...

Now Apple is getting into scamming with the fcp/logic on ipad through subscription and the requirement of $2000 hardware, the app is launched broken... No SSD support, on a brand new 2023 app on a 64bit tablet is just insane, NO SSD card..How in 2023 does the ipad not have external SSD card support, no SD card slot?? Apple is no fan of media production... If it was, it could buy Blackmagic right now... Why has Apple not bought Blackmagic? Or Avid, like it did back in the day, the company behind "Color"??

 

[upthetoffees]

I loathe subscription models but am strangely very much up for this logic pro on ipad, might even buy an interface if there is a very good one for guitar/mics

 

[jonnysods]

I'm just curious how you get the files on the iPad, where is it synced? Can you switch between macOS and iPadOS?

 

[JustinePaula]

I'm just curious how you get the files on the iPad, where is it synced? Can you switch between macOS and iPadOS?

I don't have a modern ipad, the only effective way with 935 was to use dropbox, I doubt Apple know themselves, icloud is a world of hurt... Numbers and excel just do not play well together, yet excel and google sheets are besties... I hope Apple has a solution...doubtful...

 

[The Game 161]

No doubt youtube will be filled with videos

 

[darngooddesign]

 

[darngooddesign]

Steve Jobs also believed that iPhone should have web apps only.

He might have personally believed that at one point early on, but the SDK and AppStore launched so soon after the iPhone’s reveal that they had to have been planned for.

 

[ConcernedCitizen]

I doubt it. The SDK and AppStore launched so soon after the iPhone’s launch that they had to have been planned for.

People really believe Apple scrambled after the first gen iPhone launched to come up with a whole SDK and the AppStore model for iPhoneOS 2.0 like it was an afterthought and that just blows my mind.

 

[Lounge vibes 05]

What's also mildly insulting about this is that Apple are introducing subscriptions to Logic right when updates to the app are the most stagnant they've been in its entire history.

that’s not insulting, that’s called business.
The bulk of Logic Pro X customers paid that $200 back when the app released in 2013, upgrading from a previous version.
That $200 isn’t going to keep paying for updates forever.
So… if people need it, if people want updates, and they’re willing to pay for it, a subscription makes the most sense.
It’s not only a constant revenue stream, but it’s also a brilliant way of getting thousands more people who don’t have a random $200 laying around to give it a spin.