When to expect Leopard 10.5.2 (and what to expect)

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  1. blaklaybul macrumors regular

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    EDIT
    So the update is out!
    Finally!

    Responses? Feedback?
    Post it all here!

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    Ive been wondering when we should expect the next update for Leopard.

    Tiger was released on April 29th, 2005,
    received its first update on May 16th,
    and its second update on July 12th.

    Leopard was released on October 26th, 2007
    and received its first update on November 15th

    So, if things for Mac OS 10.5 follow Tiger, we should expect an update sometime within the first two weeks of 2008.

    What do you want from the coming update?

    (Updated List)
    We hope to see:

    Finder
    • the ability to resize finder sidebar icons + text!
    • Fix the problem when unmounting DMG's and hard drives it remains mounted.
    • Remember Finder window sizes and layout.
    • Always show last column in full width according to widest text
    (in column view)
    • Better networking, the new sidebar system is a little weird.
    • When you click on a Folder, link, stack or whatever, then click again without moving the cursor, Leopard ignores that input until you move the cursor over it again.
    • Add an option to disable "this application was downloaded from the internet.
    • New folder icons, they’re badly designed and unreadable

    Dock, Menu, Dashboard, Expose, Spaces and Animations
    • smoother dock magnification, expose, dashboard, spaces, etc.
    • Smoother animations all round (stacks, expose etc)
    • Customizable Dock
    • bring back hierarchal view of the dock
    • Movies playing when minimised to dock (broken in Leopard)
    • Stacks behaving as they were shown before Leopard launch
    • Dashboard becoming completely non-functional after Parental controls are activated, even if it's later
    switched off
    • clean up any blue highlights buttons, etc to look sharp instead of fuzzy (ie blue indicator balls on dock
    or the repeat indicator buttons in itunes) why the color blue has to be so fuzzy on a mac is beyond me.
    • consistent scrollbars (glossy or matte) or allow the user to choose the look he desires (much like
    graphite vs. blue color scheme)
    • customizable menu bar to change the opacity and shade of grey
    • Fix the spaces quirks. Once clicking on open app icons in the dock wouldn't switch, so I had to restart the dock.
    • allow the dock and desktop to vary across spaces
    • allow new thread of a program to instantiate within a current space
    • Cursor looks pixelated when enlarged in Universal Access

    Apps
    • A fix for random Mail.app crashes
    • Sort out the Mail errors when internet connection is slow.
    • smtp server problems with mail.
    • Bluetooth and SMS support back in Address Book.
    • AirTunes back in Front Row.
    • Sort out the Front Row pauses and stutters.
    • Include more supported video formats within Front Row and QuickTime.
    • Remote Artwork in Front Row
    • fix crashes for iLife ’08 programs
    • fix the memory hogging of iChat when using audio or video
    • improve Safari pop-up blocker
    • Fix iCal not matching international 24 hour clock setting in agenda (can only show AM and PM while system is set to international 24 hour clock)
    • Adding an iCal event should not take 3 mouseclicks
    • Fix Mail with stationary enabled to be able to send attachments!
    • Fix iTunes scrolling when in Album view

    Time Machine
    • fix really slow Time Machine backups
    • more prefs for time machine, maybe allow specific times for backups? maybe a 'backup now' button.
    • Reading / Writing ability for Time Machine

    Bugs
    • bug fixes for random application freezes. Namely, Dictionary and Safari.
    • Sort out the long shutdowns that a lot of people experience.
    • a bug fix for the Macbook and Macbook Pro Keyboard lock up problems and Airport issues
    • MBP display backlight issue
    • fix sound output issue on Powerbooks
    • Better Airport Disk support.
    • Parental Controls Kill Dashboard


    Performance
    • Improve performance of Leopard overall - can be sluggish at times.
    • Improve the firewall within Leopard - lacks things Tiger had.
    • The so forth mentioned features that were said to allow faster booting between windows and OS X.
    • HP printer drivers that actually work and that also give full functionality to choose color vs black and
    white prints and also draft vs excellent quality, etc (especially for older printers)
    • Disk Utility - needs to be fixed so it doesn't take a year and a day to either update or repair permissions, only to spit out cryptic errors about why some permissions weren't fixed.
    • Increase battery life for notebooks
    • Bring back firewall UI similar to Tiger
    • Improved video drivers
    • 802.1x fix

    How about you guys?
     
  2. mrkramer macrumors 603

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    I think we will see it along with the next hardware release most likely at MWSF, ans it will have a lot of bug fixes, and support for the new hardware.
     
  3. Queso macrumors G4

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    Don't Apple normally release an update on the run-up to Christmas? Sort of clearing the decks before the holidays?
     
  4. Arne macrumors regular

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    I really hope they fix the Mail.app-crashes taht occur after Mail is started...
     
  5. RoboCop001 macrumors 65816

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    Well since I have no idea, I'll entertain you guys with something fun! Although I do hope they put that Dock command to send apps to different spaces... Alright, on to the fun!

    Ready?

    Ok.

    What do you call a ghost buffalo? I bet you don't know! But if you keep reading you might find out!


    Ready? .... Alright.... A booffalo! HAHAHahahahahahahaha.... hahahahahaha!...ahahha!...aaahh... I patent that.
     
  6. blaklaybul thread starter macrumors regular

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    Ill compile and edit a new list after every 30 or so posts so we can get an idea of what an ideal upgrade would include
     
  7. V.K. macrumors 6502a

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    I wouldn't hold your breath for any new features in 10.5.2.
    Lots of bug fixes is what I expect/hope for. As to when, I'd like to know that too.
    mrkramer mentioned MWSF as a possibility. Has Apple ever released new versions of OS X at MWSF in the past?
     
  8. Arne macrumors regular

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  9. jackc macrumors 65816

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    I can't imagine MWSF would have anything to do with when it's released, they're not going to announce some bug fixes

    Then again, "One more thing.... 10.5.2!" (audience erupts with applause)
     
  10. psychofreak Retired

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    The dev beta of it wasn't too long ago and was hardly user-quality standard...maybe 10.5.4...
     
  11. Peace macrumors P6

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    10.5.2 --Read/Write for Time Machine ;)
     
  12. kolax macrumors G3

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    - Better Airport Disk support.
    - Smoother animations all round (stacks, expose etc)
    - Fix the problem when unmounting DMG's and hard drives it remains mounted.
    - Bluetooth and SMS support back in Address Book.
    - AirTunes back in Front Row.
    - Sort out the Front Row pauses and stutters.
    - Include more supported video formats within Front Row and QuickTime.
    - Remember Finder window sizes and layout.
    - Sort out the Mail errors when internet connection is slow.
    - Sort out the long shutdowns that a lot of people experience.
    - Include more Dock colours for users that don't involve 3rd party apps.
    - Improve performance of Leopard overall - can be sluggish at times.
    - Improve the firewall within Leopard - lacks things Tiger had.

    That's what I can rant off the top of my head. More to follow probably.
     
  13. circusbass macrumors regular

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    Fix ITUNES!!!

    A fix for itunes/quicktime that allows me to encode new songs at 320 cbr like the rest of my 5,700 and 47gb library. I would rather have my library consistent at 320 then at variable 321, 323, etc.....

    Give us the option of how we want to encode. This bug with the new encoder is unacceptable.
     
  14. cogsinister macrumors 6502a

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    Improved drivers for the MB integrated video would be nice............
     
  15. kolax macrumors G3

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    That isn't Leopard specific is it, nor will it be fixed with a 10.5.2 upgrade.

    That is an iTunes problem...and will be fixed with an iTunes update..
     
  16. BigTRQ macrumors regular

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    The only bug I have is the delete from Time Machine Backup, F8-F12 hotkeys goes away. And is it ever annoying! :D
     
  17. ckurowic macrumors regular

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    Smoother animations are my main concern. Though, Leopard seems to run very smoothly on the iMacs which I plan on getting sometime in January/Feb.
     
  18. kolax macrumors G3

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    Another annoyance to add:

    - When you click on a Folder, link, stack or whatever, then click again without moving the cursor, Leopard ignores that input until you move the cursor over it again.

    Really really really annoys me when I am skimming through Folders etc.
     
  19. circusbass macrumors regular

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    Thanks for clearing that up. I hope it gets fixed soon. It is the most annoying bug I've ever experienced in iTunes.
     
  20. djellison macrumors 68020

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    Steve says 'here's a fix to a load of stuff we got wrong with Leopard' and the audience erupts? That's got to be fanboyism gone crazy. They should just go "About frickin time"

    Stuff that needs fixing:

    Movies playing when minimised to dock (broken in Leopard)
    Stacks behaving as they were shown before Leopard launch
    Keyboard freeze fix
     
  21. psychofreak Retired

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    When viewing a video in Finder in Tiger, you could skip to a wanted point, now QuickLook's preview or a full video app must be launched...
     
  22. Jasonbot macrumors 68020

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    •The so forth mentioned features that were said to allow faster booting between windows and OS X.
    •smtp server problems with mail.
    •more prefs for time machine, maybe allow specific times for backups? maybe a 'backup now' button.
    •Better networking, the new sidebar system is a little weird.
     
  23. Mr Skills macrumors 6502a

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    Some bugs that have been widely reported:
    - the keyboard randomly going to sleep on Intel laptops (Leopard only)
    - Dashboard becoming completely non-functional after Parental controls are activated, even if it's later switched off
    - Finder not remembering folder display settings

    Also, it's not a bug, but I would like the little dot under active applications to be actually visible. Just change the colour to red or something. I mention this because it's such an *easy* thing to fix - you can already download utilities to do it, but when me elderly parents get their new iMac they won't want to install hacks, and they will *never* see the dot.
    Yes I can do it for them, but not every older user has a son to troubleshoot for them.
     
  24. psychofreak Retired

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    I convinced a friend to switch and he doesn't want to have to install Windows to sync photos from his Samsung g600...hopefully support will come in 10.5.2

    Does anyone know of a way to get it to work?
     
  25. odinsride macrumors 65816

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    They need to fix the MBP display backlight issue!
    And the Finder bug where it never seems to remember folder view settings
     

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