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When to expect the 2012 iMac: May 8th, 2012

Im fed up with this waiting crap. It would not be this bad if A) i kept my mbp still , but i needed some sale funds for things. B) some stories on mac posted


Regardless, from now on i am guessing June WWDC so im not dissapointed each wed am . Considering bouncy shipping times+ weird stock levels+ 10.7.4 release+ mountain lion slight chance of early arrival.


Also why did apple wait to annouce wwdc until the last second once Ivy and Amd chips announced. May is still possible but if not by Memorial Weekend all eyes WWDC/June. Mac sales have to go up, products need updating + delay until 2nd half of year makes no sense. software, ios, ipod/iphone and spec bumps happen then.
Confident bymid june. In 31 days time well know
 
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Alienware is now offering the 7970m in crossfire configuration and has a shipping date of 5/22/2012.... This wait is killing me. Anyone saying "waiting is stupid, buy now" to me that is retarded. The 7970m is literally 100% better than the 6970m. I feel like if Alienware can offer two of them in one laptop, WTF is Apple waiting on?
 
Murtagh said:
I feel like if Alienware can offer two of them in one laptop, WTF is Apple waiting on?
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Dunno, but it's ****ing me off! I have $4,000 burning a hole in my pocket and the HP Z1 is getting more and more tempting by the day. I have always been a Windows guy and this time had decided to buy a new iMac, but I won't buy the 2011 one knowing the 2012 is coming soon. And I am not sure I can be bothered to wait for months for the 2012 one.

I wish they would just *announce* the damned things and then we would know where we stand. They can clear the supply chain of existing stock with appropriate incentives - depending on how much different the new model is. If it's just Ivybridge processors, upgraded gfx card and not much else (as I am betting is the case), the old stock would still be attractive.

A hackintosh is getting more attractive by the moment. For maybe $1,500 I can put together an awesome machine.
 
Chippy99 said:
Dunno, but it's ****ing me off! I have $4,000 burning a hole in my pocket and the HP Z1 is getting more and more tempting by the day.
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The Z1 isn't at all a competitor to the iMac.. they serve very different purposes. You might want to consider what it is you want a computer to do and then select one that best does that.
 
forty2j said:
The Z1 isn't at all a competitor to the iMac.. they serve very different purposes. You might want to consider what it is you want a computer to do and then select one that best does that.
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So do then please explain exactly what the different purposes are, instead of just flaming. I've been considering the same thing and would be really anxious to be educated. :confused:
 
Smartie said:
So do then please explain exactly what the different purposes are, instead of just flaming. I've been considering the same thing and would be really anxious to be educated. :confused:
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Leave it mate - it's not worth arguing.

There's much to like about Apple, but charging exorbitant prices for certain components (like SSD's and memory) and using frankly uninspiring hardware is not their strong point. They have done well considering all you are buying is a Unix OS with a fancy GUI on the front, installed on rip off hardware. They must thank their lucky stars the Ubuntu GUI is yuck and that Windows is a pile of poo. If they had any serious competition, life could be much more difficult.
 
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Smartie said:
So do then please explain exactly what the different purposes are, instead of just flaming. I've been considering the same thing and would be really anxious to be educated. :confused:
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Whoah. It's not a flame. It's just a statement. I'm not even trying to steer you in one direction or the other. I'm just afraid that you might have said, "Oh, this is an All-in-one, that's an All-in-one, they must have the same target audience". They don't.

Z1:
  • Uses server (Xeon) CPUs
  • Offers a choice of Intel integrated graphics, or Nvidia Quadro graphics which specialize in background rendering
  • Has a fold-down touchscreen (on some models)
  • Lets you take it apart and change stuff with minimal fuss

iMac:
  • Uses normal desktop (Core i5, i7) CPUs
  • Uses AMD Radeon 6/7xxxm graphics, which specialize in real-time display
  • Doesn't have a touchscreen, or fold down
  • Is locked up tighter than Fort Knox

You could say that the Z1 is better for people who create video games, movies, or CAD drawings, and the iMac is better for people play / view them. The Z1 is branded as a Workstation for a reason; it's not really a home computer.
 
Hmm that Z1 is pretty interesting. If I owned a small shop and needed workstations I would consider them over iMac's. Because they can be upgraded and HP has excellent business support and service.

Where I work now they just switched from HP to Lenovo and damn if I wouldn't rather have a Z1 than my $2000 Thinkpad right now.

For the home, not so much. I think the iMac is better suited to home use.
 
Lets get back on topic for "when". If you want to talk about what or compare in detail theres the "what to expect" thread


i think June blitz of macs. ios news and ML release or beta
 
InlawBiker said:
Hmm that Z1 is pretty interesting. If I owned a small shop and needed workstations I would consider them over iMac's. Because they can be upgraded and HP has excellent business support and service.

Where I work now they just switched from HP to Lenovo and damn if I wouldn't rather have a Z1 than my $2000 Thinkpad right now.

For the home, not so much. I think the iMac is better suited to home use.
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There's only 2 things that make the iMac better for home use:

1. OSX (and that's debatable).
2. Radeon vs Quadro (irrelevant if you don't play games, and to be honest if you do play games you are better off with a £120 x-box than a £2,500 iMac).

In every other respect, the Z1 matches or betters the iMac. The fact that it is so much more upgradeable is great. But it's hardly a drawback if you chosen not to upgrade it - just don't open it!

The Xeon processors are every bit as fast as their Core counterparts, so that's a non-issue as well. Hell, you can even change the processor - it's socketed! So you could drop an i7 in there yourself if you wanted to.

USB3 is every bit as good as TB for what 99.9% of home users would want to do with it, and it's typically half the price or less for the USB3 vs TB component... That is if the TB component exists, which typically it doesn't.

No, if the Z1 ran OSX, it would be a better machine, period. (So long as you don't play games!)
 
OK I think there are two possible dates now.

#1 - Now that 10.7.4 is out then they could announce the Mac computers next Tuesday, May 15. This would make some sense.

#2 - If not then I would expect to wait until WWDC in June, which is really not too far away. If they have something big it would have more impact this way.
 
Also- we've all been thinking along the lines "why not release the new iMacs"... but, did anyone consider "why keeping the old ones", from Apple's point of view, could it be that they consider the current iMac just that - current, and that an update wouldn't make as much profit as still selling the 2011 ones would? Hence a late summer/fall release would make sense?

I hope not...
 
Mister Bumbo said:
Also- we've all been thinking along the lines "why not release the new iMacs"... but, did anyone consider "why keeping the old ones", from Apple's point of view, could it be that they consider the current iMac just that - current, and that an update wouldn't make as much profit as still selling the 2011 ones would? Hence a late summer/fall release would make sense?

I hope not...
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Not to start a flame war on Windows VS MAC. I have always been a PC guy but was looking forward to making the switch to an iMac. However I am starting to grow very impatient and it is making me consider building my own PC or even buying Alienware M18X, 7970m's in Xfire just seems very attractive. Again not trying to start a war but I would be willing to bet that I'm not the only one on the fence that might not cross over...
 
Mister Bumbo said:
Also- we've all been thinking along the lines "why not release the new iMacs"... but, did anyone consider "why keeping the old ones", from Apple's point of view, could it be that they consider the current iMac just that - current, and that an update wouldn't make as much profit as still selling the 2011 ones would? Hence a late summer/fall release would make sense?

I hope not...
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Apple didn't build giant piles of cash by thinking of how to maximize short term profits. In the long term that would turn a lot of people off.
 
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I think the most likely date is still WWDC. This has been the longest time without a refresh for a few years so we could see a redesigned iMac.
 
Murtagh said:
Not to start a flame war on Windows VS MAC. I have always been a PC guy but was looking forward to making the switch to an iMac. However I am starting to grow very impatient and it is making me consider building my own PC or even buying Alienware M18X, 7970m's in Xfire just seems very attractive. Again not trying to start a war but I would be willing to bet that I'm not the only one on the fence that might not cross over...
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same here .... i know about new hardware and wait since beginning of the year to switch from PC to Mac ... actually I have no problem to wait a few more days cause my PC do his work but I want to switch. But if it does take too long maybe I also think to build a new pc. So I think there are many people who think this way.

and sorry for my bad English ;-)

Greetz
 
Murtagh said:
Not to start a flame war on Windows VS MAC. I have always been a PC guy but was looking forward to making the switch to an iMac. However I am starting to grow very impatient and it is making me consider building my own PC or even buying Alienware M18X, 7970m's in Xfire just seems very attractive. Again not trying to start a war but I would be willing to bet that I'm not the only one on the fence that might not cross over...
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Something to consider here is that while Alienware will let you go on their site and pick out components and order a computer, it's not shipping until May 22. Apple doesn't announce anything until it's already in stores so you can just go buy one. So it's not as though Alienware or anyone else is actually ahead of Apple and shipping first.. yet. If the Alienwares were shipping today, you'd have a much stronger point.

If you want to build yourself a biege box with a desktop GPU, all the components you need are already out, and you're welcome to do so. Normally, though, the person that wants to do that is not the same as the person that wants to buy an All-in-one. :)
 
Murtagh said:
Not to start a flame war on Windows VS MAC.
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Watching a Mac versus PC flamewar is like watching someone with a Soloflex that has never been used argue with someone with a gym membership that's never been used.

An iMac is a PC. It is the PC that I (we) have chosen because of Apple's commitment to a quality and simplified workflow for the productivity tasks we find important.

Turning the two-dozen HD video clips of my 3 year old son at the park and turning it into a nice looking video for his grandparents is important to me. My iMac allows me to do this with minimal fuss, and gives me professional looking results in a very short amount of time. I can do the same thing under win/nix, but it takes a lot more effort and my results do not look as good.

I also operate one of the largest OLTP stacks in existence. All of the servers are HP/Hitachi. The stack is RHEL/Java/Oracle. My technology choices allow be to produce the best results with minimal fuss. Apple does not even have a technology offering in this market (OSX-Server isn't even remotely close).

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russofris said:
Watching a Mac versus PC flamewar is like watching someone with a Soloflex that has never been used argue with someone with a gym membership that's never been used.

An iMac is a PC. It is the PC that I (we) have chosen because of Apple's commitment to a quality and simplified workflow for the productivity tasks we find important.

Turning the two-dozen HD video clips of my 3 year old son at the park and turning it into a nice looking video for his grandparents is important to me. My iMac allows me to do this with minimal fuss, and gives me professional looking results in a very short amount of time. I can do the same thing under win/nix, but it takes a lot more effort and my results do not look as good.

I also operate one of the largest OLTP stacks in existence. All of the servers are HP/Hitachi. The stack is RHEL/Java/Oracle. My technology choices allow be to produce the best results with minimal fuss. Apple does not even have a technology offering in this market (OSX-Server isn't even remotely close).

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A bit over simplistic this, if you don't mind me saying.

Clearly you wouldn't nor couldn't run amazon.com on mac pros. Nor would you run Angry Birds on Oracle Exadata/Exalogic nor IBM z-series. The horses for courses argument applies.

But for a domestic user, it's not so clear cut. Most families have budget constraints and don't like paying Apple $600 for a $200 SSD, or $3,000 for an iMac that has $1,500 of components at PC prices.

Further, they might like the overall simplicity of Mac OSX (not that it is much more simple than Windows to be honest). But they might not be too pleased about not being able to run 100's of cheap, high quality apps that run on PC's. Personally, I will have to mess about considerably (or fail altogether) to run perhaps a dozen pieces of my regularly used PC software - Axcrpt, Acronis True Image, Adobe CS3, Badaboom, tmpgenc, Nero burning rom, Sopcast, Sony Vegas and several others.

So the horses for courses argument is suddenly not so clear cut. The Mac is nice to use, and perhaps more straightforward to use, but it costs a fortune and won't run half of my software. And you can't upgrade it.

It is by no means a simple decision and it hangs somewhat in the balance for me.
 
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