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I've come to a place where I'm not really chomping at the bit to get the next Apple phone. Mainly because once I upgraded to my 7 Plus from my 6 a couple years ago. I've had everything I've needed, and haven't felt the need to keep going, at least for a while. With this said though I do like the new phones, although, I am still on the fence about ditching touchID. What are the thoughts here? My 7 Plus still works, and is supported. Anyone else in the same or similar situation? Was just wondering when it's a good time to upgrade. I've been eligible for a while now.
 
Maybe the delay to add the fingerprint power ID button.

In areas where masks are mandatory, I can’t fathom the average consumer buying a new phone that has only Face ID. At least not right now.


It's a real PITA, but 'Rona won't last forever. People are NOT going to wear masks forever.

If you were to tell me people will still be wearing masks everywhere this time next year, at least in the US, I would tell you to expect alien invasion and domination first. People just won't stand for it.

Compliance is an issue now. Pandemic fatigue is a serious consideration, and regardless of how you feel about masking up, people are for the most part getting sick of it, consequences be damned.

I'm hoping for an alterative like the power button touch ID. It's just a second option to have that would be nice.
 
I've come to a place where I'm not really chomping at the bit to get the next Apple phone. Mainly because once I upgraded to my 7 Plus from my 6 a couple years ago. I've had everything I've needed, and haven't felt the need to keep going, at least for a while. With this said though I do like the new phones, although, I am still on the fence about ditching touchID. What are the thoughts here? My 7 Plus still works, and is supported. Anyone else in the same or similar situation? Was just wondering when it's a good time to upgrade. I've been eligible for a while now.
I'll tell you, I was in a similar boat. I had an iPhone 6s and 7. Both of which are still among my favorites. Perfect size. I loved the Home button and Touch ID. The only reason I upgraded to the X was for the Qualcomm modem I'd lost going from the 6s to the 7.

Since then, though, the iPhone X has felt long in the tooth for one very big reason that no one seems to talk about: a three-year-old cellular radio. Even with the Qualcomm modem, you can't make up for the fact that carriers have moved on. They now have 5x carrier aggregation live, 4x4 MIMO antennas, LAA, CBRS, 256QAM modulation, and support for bands that the iPhone 8/X and older don't have, like B14. Collectively, these represent a huge improvement in the ability to hold a weak signal and speed/performance, especially on congested cell sites.

The 5G discussion aside, I think anybody with an iPhone 8/X or older ought to be looking at the iPhone 12 and thinking about what their cellular experience is like. If you don't have any complaints about the speed, performance, or coverage you get today; you may want to consider waiting another year. But if you aren't satisfied, it's time to upgrade.
 
I'll tell you, I was in a similar boat. I had an iPhone 6s and 7. Both of which are still among my favorites. Perfect size. I loved the Home button and Touch ID. The only reason I upgraded to the X was for the Qualcomm modem I'd lost going from the 6s to the 7.

Since then, though, the iPhone X has felt long in the tooth for one very big reason that no one seems to talk about: a three-year-old cellular radio. Even with the Qualcomm modem, you can't make up for the fact that carriers have moved on. They now have 5x carrier aggregation live, 4x4 MIMO antennas, 256QAM modulation, and support for bands that the iPhone 8/X and older don't have, like B14. Collectively, these represent a huge improvement in the ability to hold a weak signal and speed/performance, especially on congested cell sites.

The 5G discussion aside, I think anybody with an iPhone 8/X or older ought to be looking at the iPhone 12 and thinking about what their cellular experience is like. If you don't have any complaints about the speed, performance, or coverage you get today. You may consider waiting another year. But if you aren't satisfied, it's time to upgrade.
I have Verizon Wireless here in the US, and as long as I've had a recent iPhone within the last 10 years, I've had good signal, haven't suffered any signal loss, etc. My main reason for upgrading every two years has mainly been for a new battery. It's always just made sense to me to get the new phone, with a new battery. That way, in the event something could go wrong with a battery replacement of my current phone. I always felt better just having all new hardware, especially since I could get the phone on contract. When Verizon stopped contracts, I was still able to pay for the 7 Plus in monthly payments as part of my phone bill. I was thinking of getting an iphone 11 since they I don't need the bleeding edge, and as far as OLED vs LCD, I'd much rather have OLED in an appliance such as a TV. A phone doesn't matter either way, because I don't usually watch video on the phone.

Since things are working, I might keep the mindset, if it's not broken, don't fix it. I'll see what the iPhone 12 holds when it's released, and maybe make a choice then. I'll also see how iOS 14 runs on my current hardware. iOS 13 works great, and is stable. Even my iPad Air 2, is still very stable, and usable without problems.
 
Apparently you don‘t remember the great iPhone 4s delay of 2011. But big picture, you know what doesn’t happen every year, a pandemic. It’s an off year, and seriously, iphone delays is small potatoes compared to everything else that has happened the last several months.
 
We will save a billion pounds of fossil fuels by not shipping charging adapters...also 300,000,000 $$$$
I also did a quick check...I have 7 of the damned chargers lying around. Counterpoint: yes, they're mostly the lower-power 5w version...so without any major the improvement, a new charger would just find itself staying in the box or ending up in a drawer.
 
I also did a quick check...I have 7 of the damned chargers lying around. Counterpoint: yes, they're mostly the lower-power 5w version...so without any major the improvement, a new charger would just find itself staying in the box or ending up in a drawer.
Agree assuming they have same USB-A connection to the power block. If not we are going to be throwing all the old ones away and buying many, many new ones. Will we be able to use the new cables with the old blocks or do we have to buy new blocks also
 
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Still don't understand why they couldn't introduce them. Surely they have advanced production models for internal testers.
Because they just don’t want to. They don’t have to have a reason. It’s their product and they can introduce it when they want to. Simple as that.
 
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Well both developers and end users can still both win with the planned release today. If you have apps known not to work, just wait, and developers can still fix their apps while users try the new release. It just depends on the individual's setup if they'll have problems right now, or not.
 
I know I shouldn't be too bothered by it, but the performance numbers they gave for the A14 were really lackluster... They just didn't make sense at all, especially considering the change to 5nm. Hopefully that was all on purpose and when the iPhones are introduced they will show us that the A14 is much more of a beast than they let on.
 
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Still don't understand why they couldn't introduce them. Surely they have advanced production models for internal testers.
They have a formula, worked out over decades of releases, for exactly how much time they want between when they show a device, and when it's available to order, followed by when it arrives in customer's hands. The formula is tweaked to make maximum use of people's "ooh! new shiny! want now! -> click 'buy'" response (that's just the way marketing goes).

That whole formula thing also applies to how much time to leave between the announcement of one new thing, and the next new thing. Which is why they wouldn't do the iPhone event, say, next week. They don't want one new product to detract from another, and don't want you deciding which one to buy (but they also don't want to do too many events, so they stack some things, which is why we got iPads and Watches yesterday).

They don't want to show you a phone that you can't get for two months, because some of the people who would have eagerly ordered two days from now for delivery a week and a half from now... will have second thoughts before the order window opens, if it doesn't open for another month. That would have a direct impact on sales. It would also give the competition a month to announce that their new model will have iPhone's new features X and Y and also shiny new feature Z, taking away potentially more sales. And, finally, if they announce that the iPhone 12 will be available to order in a month, what do you think that will do to iPhone 11 sales for the next month? Keep in mind that we here are all weirdos that pay attention to tech blogs and are keenly aware of upcoming models, ship dates, and past patterns - the average consumer doesn't follow all that.

So, Apple waits until they're basically ready to ship before they show a new device. The only times they haven't done this is when they are entering an entirely new market, like when they showed off the Apple Watch months before release - it doesn't cannibalize existing sales, and it lets developers make plans to support the device.

Yes, they have iPhone 12's around they could show (Tim probably had one in his pocket). But they don't want to show them yet.
 
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The lack of new iPhone models yesterday seems to confirm that the iPhone 12 lineup will not appear until October.

Actually, Tim Cook's announcement during last month's earnings call is what confirmed that they would not appear until October. I'm baffled why anyone would think there was even a chance they would be announced yesterday.
 
They have a formula, worked out over decades of releases, for exactly how much time they want between when they show a device, and when it's available to order, followed by when it arrives in customer's hands. The formula is tweaked to make maximum use of people's "ooh! new shiny! want now! -> click 'buy'" response (that's just the way marketing goes).

That whole formula thing also applies to how much time to leave between the announcement of one new thing, and the next new thing. Which is why they wouldn't do the iPhone event, say, next week. They don't want one new product to detract from another, and don't want you deciding which one to buy (but they also don't want to do too many events, so they stack some things, which is why we got iPads and Watches yesterday).

They don't want to show you a phone that you can't get for two months, because some of the people who would have eagerly ordered two days from now for delivery a week and a half from now... will have second thoughts before the order window opens, if it doesn't open for another month. That would have a direct impact on sales. It would also give the competition a month to announce that their new model will have iPhone's new features X and Y and also shiny new feature Z, taking away potentially more sales. And, finally, if they announce that the iPhone 12 will be available to order in a month, what do you think that will do to iPhone 11 sales for the next month? Keep in mind that we here are all weirdos that pay attention to tech blogs and are keenly aware of upcoming models, ship dates, and past patterns - the average consumer doesn't follow all that.

So, Apple wait until they're basically ready to ship before they show a new device. The only times they haven't done this is when they are entering an entirely new market, like when they showed off the Apple Watch months before release - it doesn't cannibalize existing sales, and it lets developers make plans to support the device.

Yes, they have iPhone 12's around they could show (Tim probably had one in his pocket). But they don't want to show them yet.

Didn't I see you at last month's meeting of the Flat Earth Society?
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I love the new iPad Air.

The one that hasn't been released yet?
 
iPhones have not always been released in September. It used to be June.

it will happen when they’re ready, and we’ll survive.

An iPhone hasn't been released in June since Bush was president. And iPhones have been released in October before and since then.
 
Didn't I see you at last month's meeting of the Flat Earth Society?
I don't attend those. I'm surprised to learn that you do. Do you doubt that Apple carefully works out their release schedule to maximize potential sales? I think it would be foolish to believe otherwise. This isn't exactly reading goat entrails.
 
November release will make a lot of people mad with upgrades that fall in that sept/oct window which is a lotttttt of people. I think apple will release them in October to make people happy and not risk people just waiting another year for next years phone by releasing it in an odd month. People won't want to upgrade in nov and then the next year or two phones released in sept/oct they cant upgrade to. Screws things up.
Well they can but the issue is there will be a bunch of unnecessary payments
 
The real question is—where did this wallpaper come from, and can someone post a link?
 
They won't be announced until mid to late Oct, which means you won't be holding one until Nov, and that's for the low end models. God luck seeing a Pro model before Dec. Great job Apple.
 
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Apparently you don‘t remember the great iPhone 4s delay of 2011. But big picture, you know what doesn’t happen every year, a pandemic. It’s an off year, and seriously, iphone delays is small potatoes compared to everything else that has happened the last several months.

Stop using the pandemic as an excuse. Samsung, Huwaei, Oppo and all the competition got their phones out right on time. Apple simply dropped the ball on this and the launch of other products recently, not a good look.
 
Stop using the pandemic as an excuse. Samsung, Huwaei, Oppo and all the competition got their phones out right on time. Apple simply dropped the ball on this and the launch of other products recently, not a good look.

Why are you even here? I’m surprised you want to have anything to do with Apple anymore, they’ve disappointed you so much.
 
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