where do I get iPhone 6s plus with TSMC A9 chip ?

[Hieveryone]

How much better is it really though?

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If at all...

I use geek bench scores. They have been around for a long time and are a reliable benchmark standard. The difference isn't much. Which is to be expected. It is the same phone after all. But geek bench does consistently show higher scores for the Samsung. There isn't a single geek bench test online that has shown the TSMC to outperform the Samsung.

 

[cynics]

I use geek bench scores. They have been around for a long time and are a reliable benchmark standard. The difference isn't much. Which is to be expected. It is the same phone after all. But geek bench does consistently show higher scores for the Samsung. There isn't a single geek bench test online that has shown the TSMC to outperform the Samsung.

Aside from memory in the multi core score you quoted.

Edit: I guess saying memory when talking specifically about processors isn't very accurate.

 

[HEK]

How much better is it really though?

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If at all...

You be hard pressed to even get the same chip to perform within those percentages on multiple phones. Well within sample variations of identical units.

 

[cynics]

You be hard pressed to even get the same chip to perform within those percentages on multiple phones. Well within sample variations of identical units.

I don't disagree with that.

 

[HEK]

These geek bench tests are good for global large scale comparisons between phones of various manufacturers and subsequent generations of phones to each other. I don't believe they were designed to do fine tune comparisons between same phones. Someone do the tests on same phone ten times in a row and publish the results. I bet, like any gauge ever made you will see variability. The test itself can't repeat with such a fine precision.

 

[cynics]

These geek bench tests are good for global large scale comparisons between phones of various manufacturers and subsequent generations of phones to each other. I don't believe they were designed to do fine tune comparisons between same phones. Someone do the tests on same phone ten times in a row and publish the results. I bet, like any gauge ever made you will see variability. The test itself can't repeat with such a fine precision.

Of course your right. There are minor variables the grow exponentially as cores increase.

Running the test 10 times on my iPad Air 2 I have a .5% variance on single core and .98% on multi core.

Same test with iPhone 6S, .31% on single core and .63% on mult core.

That is using the maximum and minimum of the scores. Which had one or two "flyers" that were noticeably higher and lower, but that is the point.

 

[HEK]

Of course your right. There are minor variables the grow exponentially as cores increase.

Running the test 10 times on my iPad Air 2 I have a .5% variance on single core and .98% on multi core.

Same test with iPhone 6S, .31% on single core and .63% on mult core.

That is using the maximum and minimum of the scores. Which had one or two "flyers" that were noticeably higher and lower, but that is the point.

Interesting, thanks for running the test and posting the results. Given that any one test run with one of each phone could result in one of those flyers. One never knows. The results of this "gage variability study" indicates to me that half the variability shown in the chip comparison test, a few posts earlier, is repeatable variability due to the test alone. This makes the difference between chips even less significant. And well within the 2-3% reported by Apple.

Also very interesting that the test variability changed between the iPad and the iPhone. Wonder what would account for the different variability of the test across chip types. The test seems to run more accurately on the latest chip type.

 

[crawltochina]

I am testing now the Samsung chipped 6S Plus and I am getting better battery than with my TSMC chipped 6S Plus before. Under Geekbench the TSMC is definitely better but under my normal usage the Samsung wins. I am mostly using it for web surfing.

 

[cynics]

Interesting, thanks for running the test and posting the results. Given that any one test run with one of each phone could result in one of those flyers. One never knows. The results of this "gage variability study" indicates to me that half the variability shown in the chip comparison test, a few posts earlier, is repeatable variability due to the test alone. This makes the difference between chips even less significant. And well within the 2-3% reported by Apple.

Also very interesting that the test variability changed between the iPad and the iPhone. Wonder what would account for the different variability of the test across chip types. The test seems to run more accurately on the latest chip type.

I'd assume the difference in the multi core test is because the Air 2 has a 3 core processors vs the iPhones dual core. In multi core score the iPads A8X still reins king even vs the iPhones A9. Not sure how those cores are utilized in real world use but they make benchmarks shine.

 

[TheMacApple]

I've had both chips and it makes no difference. End of story

 

[cynics]

I've had both chips and it makes no difference. End of story

I think your post is missing something....

 

[convergent]

I think your post is missing something....

Nope, its probably the most useful post in this thread.

 

[cynics]

Nope, its probably the most useful post in this thread.

Admittedly it might be the most realistic post in the thread but it lacks any substance whatsoever.

Saying there is no difference between processors that don't at the very least share the same manufacturing process isn't even a stretch of the imagination, it's just blatantly putting your head in the sand.

I have no problem conceding and saying when it comes to real world use they might be virtually indistinguishable but that doesn't negate the difference.

This is a tech forum after all, talking and debating minute difference on such topics is why a lot of us are here.

 

[scaredpoet]

Saying there is no difference between processors that don't at the very least share the same manufacturing process isn't even a stretch of the imagination, it's just blatantly putting your head in the sand.

Or, it's reflecting reality: Where there is yet to be shown a single instance where a real world use-case for an iPhone is actually held back by a TSMC processor as opposed to the Samsung one. Aside from running the benchmarks, an end-user would otherwise be unable to tell which processor they had, nor would they notice an actual difference in performance.

 

[cynics]

Or, it's reflecting reality: Where there is yet to be shown a single instance where a real world use-case for an iPhone is actually held back by a TSMC processor as opposed to the Samsung one. Aside from running the benchmarks, an end-user would otherwise be unable to tell which processor they had, nor would they notice an actual difference in performance.

Well I basically said that....not sure why you cut that out of my quote....?

 

[sunking101]

Admittedly it might be the most realistic post in the thread but it lacks any substance whatsoever.

Saying there is no difference between processors that don't at the very least share the same manufacturing process isn't even a stretch of the imagination, it's just blatantly putting your head in the sand.

I have no problem conceding and saying when it comes to real world use they might be virtually indistinguishable but that doesn't negate the difference.

This is a tech forum after all, talking and debating minute difference on such topics is why a lot of us are here.

Exactly, they're two completely different processors. Sure Apple have made sure that their respective specifications deliver similar performance but identical they are not.

 

[sunking101]

Pesky double post

 

[HEK]

Admittedly it might be the most realistic post in the thread but it lacks any substance whatsoever.

Saying there is no difference between processors that don't at the very least share the same manufacturing process isn't even a stretch of the imagination, it's just blatantly putting your head in the sand.

I have no problem conceding and saying when it comes to real world use they might be virtually indistinguishable but that doesn't negate the difference.

This is a tech forum after all, talking and debating minute difference on such topics is why a lot of us are here.

Dang no wonder I been getting so confused. Here I thought this was a user forum when all along it's a tech forum.

Thinks back on all those tech threads I read like, what color phone to get, is rose gold for guys, help me decide which phone I want 6s or 6s+, I dropped my phone and broke it first day, I hate my phone, and many other classics.

 

[HEK]

Or, it's reflecting reality: Where there is yet to be shown a single instance where a real world use-case for an iPhone is actually held back by a TSMC processor as opposed to the Samsung one. Aside from running the benchmarks, an end-user would otherwise be unable to tell which processor they had, nor would they notice an actual difference in performance.

I'm tired of running the same old bench marks. Wish some new ones came out. I bought my iPhone to run benchmarks and lack of new and exciting benchmarks is ruining my iPhone experience. Without benchmarks how would I know to be satisfied with my phone? Just because it's the fastest one I ever used, has more features than ever, and allows me to do EVERYTHING I want to do with a phone doesn't mean I can be satisfied. No Siri, whoops haha, I need to know my phone is faster and better than your phone.

 

[HEK]

Admittedly it might be the most realistic post in the thread but it lacks any substance whatsoever.

Saying there is no difference between processors that don't at the very least share the same manufacturing process isn't even a stretch of the imagination, it's just blatantly putting your head in the sand.

Sorta like the US presidential campaign, "most realistic, but lacks any substance whatsoever".

I for one put my head against the phone, not in the sand.

 

[cynics]

Dang no wonder I been getting so confused. Here I thought this was a user forum when all along it's a tech forum.

Thinks back on all those tech threads I read like, what color phone to get, is rose gold for guys, help me decide which phone I want 6s or 6s+, I dropped my phone and broke it first day, I hate my phone, and many other classics.

Not knowing a thread about processors is tech related and sarcasm in general both have something in common.

I'm tired of running the same old bench marks. Wish some new ones came out. I bought my iPhone to run benchmarks and lack of new and exciting benchmarks is ruining my iPhone experience. Without benchmarks how would I know to be satisfied with my phone? Just because it's the fastest one I ever used, has more features than ever, and allows me to do EVERYTHING I want to do with a phone doesn't mean I can be satisfied. No Siri, whoops haha, I need to know my phone is faster and better than your phone.

Oh boy, more sarcasm.

Well slightly off topic, but since you bring it up. Why does it bother you so much what someone else may find important that you feel the need to make a post like that?

Do you sarcastically say the same thing for everything that doesn't interest you?

For example, I'm a member of a car forum. Many members modify their cars and race them at drag strips. In my opinion it's not a very good car to use at a drag way.

Since it doesn't interest me I don't goto those threads and sarcastically say "I bought my car to be fast and don't care about its features or how it looks etc etc..."

Wouldn't it be best to not waste your time on things that don't interest you? You can enjoy the things you do like about your phone without bringing everyone else down because their opinions vary from your own.

 

[HEK]

Not knowing a thread about processors is tech related and sarcasm in general both have something in common.



Oh boy, more sarcasm.

Well slightly off topic, but since you bring it up. Why does it bother you so much what someone else may find important that you feel the need to make a post like that?

Do you sarcastically say the same thing for everything that doesn't interest you?

For example, I'm a member of a car forum. Many members modify their cars and race them at drag strips. In my opinion it's not a very good car to use at a drag way.

Since it doesn't interest me I don't goto those threads and sarcastically say "I bought my car to be fast and don't care about its features or how it looks etc etc..."

Wouldn't it be best to not waste your time on things that don't interest you? You can enjoy the things you do like about your phone without bringing everyone else down because their opinions vary from your own.

Of course you are right, you always are, so this last time I waste my time on you. I respond with the amount of respect for the topic I can muster, not much.

Last time I checked my opinion is as valid as yours. And I think this chip brew haha is nonsense. Don't like my opinion, well frankly I don't give a rodent's behind. Sarcasm is a form of humor that sisinctly expresses my feelings. After reading and responding to the tiny percentage differences I continue to think this is making a mountain out of a mole hill. So when I see titles like, "where do I get phone with particular chip" I will be reading and commenting for the entertainment factor.

 

[cynics]

Of course you are right, you always are, so this last time I waste my time on you. I respond with the amount of respect for the topic I can muster, not much.

Last time I checked my opinion is as valid as yours. And I think this chip brew haha is nonsense. Don't like my opinion, well frankly I don't give a rodent's behind. Sarcasm is a form of humor that sisinctly expresses my feelings. After reading and responding to the tiny percentage differences I continue to think this is making a mountain out of a mole hill. So when I see titles like, "where do I get phone with particular chip" I will be reading and commenting for the entertainment factor.

I think you are confused, I respect and understand your opinion, I never said otherwise. I was just curious why you felt the need to vocalize yours if it belittled others with its sarcastic nature.

For your entertainment factor.... Good of reason as any I guess.

 

[HEK]

I think you are confused, I respect and understand your opinion, I never said otherwise. I was just curious why you felt the need to vocalize yours if it belittled others with its sarcastic nature.

For your entertainment factor.... Good of reason as any I guess.

I am not ridiculing others. If it is taken that way I apologize to anyone thinking that. My sarcasm is directed at an idea, an opinion, never the person. Some statements and opinions need to have sarcasm thrown at them, in my opinion. Take for instance the recent argument vocalized on US national media regarding one presidential candidate arguing with another. I stabbed him but belt deflected it. No, you didn't, your are lying. Yes I did staff him. Statements like these actually deserve more than sarcasm.

 

[convergent]

Exactly, they're two completely different processors. Sure Apple have made sure that their respective specifications deliver similar performance but identical they are not.

A couple of things. No two processors are identical, even if they have the same part number. I know that this is hard to understand if you've not worked in the semiconductor industry, but these things are not discrete pieces of metal that can be repeatedly cut to the same precise measurements. They are made up of things like silicon where no two on the same wafer even, are exactly the same. Through testing, they are determine to have certain characteristics to qualify them for a "part number". With memory chips, we built in redundant circuits so that if it failed certain tests we could blow some internal fuses and open up the redundant circuits. Our chips didn't get a part number until they were tested to figure out what they were. This is why the comparison of the two manufacturers is kind of futile... because the differences fall within the noise range of the product variance that would exist even if there were one supplier.

I think you also have this backwards by your statement. Apple spec'd the outside requirements, not specifically how the suppliers had to get to them.

Bottom line is that there is variance in all electronic components, period. There will always be attempts by techies to find the "best" of the "best" via continually running benchmarks.... one supplier, two suppliers, 10 suppliers... the combination of components and different possible test cases is so complex that its a bit of a futile exercise unless you just enjoying doing it as a hobby. The percentage of iPhone buyers that care about these minuscule differences is a tiny fraction.

I'm all for geeks having fun comparing chips. Where I get very frustrated is when they start taking gross advantage of a really good return policy by Apple, If they keep doing this then Apple will eventually be pushed to crack down and will probably tighten the policy... thus ruining it for the normal buyers that don't return a phone a dozen times chasing a unicorn.