I definitely wouldn't carry my iPad Air (wifi+cellular) with me. It seems so awkward to be using an iPad in public. And don't get me started on taking pictures with an iPad...
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Which Devices Won't Make the Cut for iOS 8?
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I don't usually take photos with my iPad but on Saturday my phone ran out of space while videoing so I used the iPad, but I carry and use my iPad everywhere, what's the point of having a 'cellular' iPad if you are not going to use it. I pay £20 every 6 months for my data (that's £40/ year) so I'm going to make the most of it!
Me too! This started with the Original iPad, then the iPad 3rd Gen and now a 4th Gen. I can't imagine life without it.
I couldn't see the point of the iPad when it first came out' it took me nearly a year to buy one, then I fell in love.
Upgraded to the 'New iPad' (who on earth thought that was a good name? I'll continue to call it the iPad 3 as that way people know what you are talking about)
Can't afford to upgrade too often but I will probably do so when the next one comes out. Couldn't do without 3G but the next one will be 4G which is good
I couldn't see the point of the iPad when it first came out' it took me nearly a year to buy one, then I fell in love.
Upgraded to the 'New iPad' (who on earth thought that was a good name? I'll continue to call it the iPad 3 as that way people know what you are talking about)
Can't afford to upgrade too often but I will probably do so when the next one comes out. Couldn't do without 3G but the next one will be 4G which is good
I stalked the Mall of Georgia Apple Store until the UPS truck dropped off the 64 GB AT&T models to get my first one. The store only got six of that model the first day. The iPad 3 (also 64 GB AT&T), I got from Brandsmart (a discount chain) when the 4 came out. But the iPad 4, I found in a pawn shop. It's a 128 GB, AT&T. The good thing is that I still have AT&T's grandfathered Unlimited Data Plan.
Sounds good, I get mine off eBay and as I'm on wifi most f the time 1Gb/month is enough on 3G - as it costs me £3.33/month I can't really complain.
Which Devices Won't Make the Cut for iOS 8?
Lol @ using Siri as an example for why iPad 2 is old.
Lol @ using Siri as an example for why iPad 2 is old.
It's not being used as an example for why the iPad 2 is old.
It's being used as an example of a technological difference between it and the other A5 based iOS devices out there. And yes, there's a difference between the two.
No one knows what Apple has determined to be the cutoff for Siri on it, but it is theorized that it is either "greed" or lack of a certain un-marketed piece of hardware therein.
There are rumors claiming iOS 8 being a "refined version" of iOS 7 in terms of speed and stability. So it's possible that no device will be dropped from iOS 8 in current iOS 7 support list.
Besides, although Mac and iOS devices are different, Apple did manage to keep OS X Mavericks available to all Mac that are able to run OS X Mountain Lion.
Besides, although Mac and iOS devices are different, Apple did manage to keep OS X Mavericks available to all Mac that are able to run OS X Mountain Lion.
I don't think the 5s will either.iOS8 will be for the iPhone 6 and new devices only.
It's totally possible that Apple will maintain these system requirements moving forward and that no devices will be cut. Somehow, I find this to be unlikely; the iPhone 4 is left out of a lot of key iOS 7 features that Apple cares a lot about. Similarly, the iPad 2, while retaining the same A5 processor, is missing out on a lot of other hardware components that Apple may deem critical to a smooth and un-fragmented rollout of iOS 8. I would also imagine that supporting what is also rumored to be six or seven different screen resolutions might be a bit much and that Apple may want to axe support for one of the two older ones (either 3.5" retina or 1024x768 for the iPad 2 and first generation iPad mini).
It is also possible that, given a recent rumor that Mavericks' successor OS is requiring people from the iOS team to help and that iOS 8 may even be delayed. This would give Apple enough time to also discontinue the first generation iPad mini (which they probably ought to anyway given its lackluster performance on iOS 7).
iPhone 5 has an A6. A6 devices are probably safe for another round until Apple starts forcing iOS developers to code exclusively for 64-bit.
Technically, the version iOS in the iPad Air, second generation iPad mini (with retina display), and iPhone 5s, wasn't the same as the version for the other devices on account that it was 64-bit and it could be said that 64-bit iOS 7 was only ever released for new devices.
That said, nice trolling.
They had the same build numbers and code names 7.03 build 11B511 Innsbruck Taos through to 7.11 11D201 SUSochi) so I'm guessing the FW is pretty similar (not much different than the regional device differences) but the BB is, off course, very different.
I remember reading that the speech recognition chip integrated in the A5 found in the 4s was unavailable when the iPad 2 came out and apparently didn't have the extra mic{?} that the 4s had (could have confused with the 4).
Possibly some A5 devices will get iOS 8 which will mainly be refinements and minor new features (Maybe even the iPhone 4) and then get dropped with iOS 8.1 or 8.2... (that is if Apple is delaying some key features to 8.1. I hope not though. Best case scenario is all devices get supported through to the end of 8, or all but the iPhone 4 get supported through to the end of 8.
I'd also be surprised if the iPhone 5 got less years of support than the iPhone 3GS,4 and assuming the 4S gets iOS 8, the 4S. I would assume that iOS 10 will be the end of 32 bit iOS devices.
I'd also be surprised if the iPhone 5 got less years of support than the iPhone 3GS,4 and assuming the 4S gets iOS 8, the 4S. I would assume that iOS 10 will be the end of 32 bit iOS devices.
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I don't think that will happen if Apple says at WWDC that certain A5 devices will get iOS 8 then it's very unlikely that they kill support in an 8.x.x update.
Which Device that will likely get iOS 8
Based on my observations most iOS Devices get 3 iOS major updates.
I will break this down by each product category:
iPads
iPhones
iPod Touch
iPod Touch 5th gen (Supported)
Based on my observations most iOS Devices get 3 iOS major updates.
I will break this down by each product category:
iPads
- iPad 2 (Will likely not get iOS 8 because it came with iOS 4.3 plus it's not selling well anymore)
- iPad 3 (Supported)
- iPad 4 (Supported)
- iPad Air (Duh )
- iPad Mini (Supported but, because I notice that Apple likes to kill support for 1st Gen devices. For example the original iPad got killed after only 2 updates.)
- iPad Mini 2nd Gen (Supported)
iPhones
- iPhone 4 (Unsupported)
- iPhone 4s and later (Supported)
iPod Touch
iPod Touch 5th gen (Supported)
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See, I feel like that's the kind of stuff that Apple might find more important.
Based on my observations most iOS Devices get 3 iOS major updates.
I will break this down by each product category:
iPads
- iPad 2 (Will likely not get iOS 8 because it came with iOS 4.3 plus it's not selling well anymore)
- iPad 3 (Supported)
- iPad 4 (Supported)
- iPad Air (Duh
- iPad Mini (Supported but, because I notice that Apple likes to kill support for 1st Gen devices. For example the original iPad got killed after only 2 updates.)
- iPad Mini 2nd Gen (Supported)
iPhones
- iPhone 4 (Unsupported)
- iPhone 4s and later (Supported)
iPod Touch
iPod Touch 5th gen (Supported)
Really, the reason to be concerned with the first generation iPad mini and the iPad 2 is performance. 7.1.x gave everything a bit of a boost, though the first generation iPad mini still seems sluggish. The reason why Apple cut support for first generation products had nothing to do with the fact that they were first generation products, but due to a lack of performance.
Apple has no reason to maintain support for the iPad 2, and seriously, if it is left at iOS 7, it will remain far more usable than its predecessor was running its last OS. The first generation mini is still sluggish and when you see it in the Apple Store alongside its retina-display-laden successor, you can see a noticable difference in performance between the two in basic things like swiping through homescreen pages. If they drop iOS upgrade support for both of those, then there's the added bonus of not having to support the 1024x768 resolution anymore.
Apple has every reason to support the iPad 2. Massive installed user base, the fact they will support other A5 devices that have only small hardware differences and the fact they sold it till recently. If it was sold with a sticker 'This iPad will not support iOS 8 that would be fine, but it was sold as a perfectly good iPad by most stores) . If its dropped it will be due to greed. And I guess here we go again. My iPad 2 runs iOS 7 very well and I'd expect iOS 8 to run on it as well.
I have no problem with your argument. Nor do I have a problem with your repetition of it. But it loses weight when the only things you say to support it are "iOS 7 runs great on MY iPad" and "if they drop support, it'd be greed given the user base", especially after others and I have poked holes in those arguments. If you poked holes in our hole-pokes of your argument, then we can have a proper debate about it that actually goes somewhere.
That being said, again, here's why I disagree:
1. Apple has been known to drop hardware support in major OS releases in hardware that is otherwise fast enough for the OS for the following reasons:
-Simplify OS development (examples: PowerPC in 10.6, Early Core 2 Duo Macs and the first generation Mac Pro in 10.8, iOS 6 on the third generation iPod touch [which is faster than the iPhone 3GS])
-New OS wouldn't run well (examples: iOS 6 with first generation iPad)
2. The A5 processor in the iPad 2 is the only thing that it has in common with the other A5 devices save for the screen resolution that it has in common with the first generation iPad mini. Just about every other under-the-hood component is different or newer/superior in some way. Given point #1, Apple may drop support for it on those grounds, simply to simplify development of the OS (i.e. update drivers)
3. It's possible that while iOS 7 runs passably on the iPad 2 and that while iOS 8 might run on it as well, that performance might be akin to or worse than iOS 5.1.1's performance on the original iPad. Given the first generation iPad mini's performance on iOS 7 (and given that they have, as you like pointing out, the same CPU), I don't see this being unlikely. As an iPad 2 owner, I'd rather be left behind than be given an iOS update that will end up making my iPad 2 run as poorly. I seriously have a hard time understanding why you don't agree with this point at the very least.
4. Apple tends to not drop support for a device because they want money. They tend to drop support for a device because they either want to simplify development, because they have to drop support for a specific component, or both. This is, at worst, to SAVE money, not to make it. If Apple drops support for the iPad 2, it will be for these reasons. That being said, if you want to place blame on Apple for "greed" the action to do so with would be their continued sale of the iPad 2 for two and a half generations past its discontinuation and not their inevitable discontinuation of support for it. Selling the iPad 2 alongside anything other than the third generation iPad was poor for consumers.
5. Massive user base is not an issue for Apple as, regardless of what device you own, it is inevitable that you will replace it with something newer. People who were early adopters of the iPad 2 are more or less prepared for this. People who bought it later in the game are more likely than not comfortable with the fact that they won't get the newest OS or they're ignorant of what that even means.
Now, this having been said, please address my response to your stance so this debate can actually move forward or concede to agree to disagree.
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