Which Devices Won't Make the Cut for iOS 8?

[na1577]

If the original mini doesn't receive iOS 8, it would have the shortest support lifespan of any iOS device, as it would've only received one upgrade. There is no indication that it will be cut.

The 4S, original mini, and 5G iPod touch are very similar. And given that they are all still on sale, I expect they will all receive iOS 8. Even though the iPad 2 is technically similar, I don't think it will get the upgrade because it already received three software upgrades and is no longer on sale.

The real question mark is the third generation iPad. It could easily go either way.

 

[BillyMatt87]

If the original mini doesn't receive iOS 8, it would have the shortest support lifespan of any iOS device, as it would've only received one upgrade. There is no indication that it will be cut.

The 4S, original mini, and 5G iPod touch are very similar. And given that they are all still on sale, I expect they will all receive iOS 8. Even though the iPad 2 is technically similar, I don't think it will get the upgrade because it already received three software upgrades and is no longer on sale.

The real question mark is the third generation iPad. It could easily go either way.

The original iPad stopped being supported after iOS 5

 

[na1577]

The original iPad stopped being supported after iOS 5

Yeah but it launched with iOS 3.2. It got iOS 4 and iOS 5.

 

[fardeenah]

i have a 4s, i hope it runs ios 8, ios 8 seems a much refined version of ios8, fingers cross it runs well, i will upgrade then

 

[goobot]

I think the iPad 2 will get iOS 8 because the virtually identical iPad mini will. I expect some features excluded.

It seems recently Apple has been giving older devices more upgrades but leaving off features, instead of quickly cutting off devices that can't meet all of the requirements. And this is for both iOS and OS X. I think it makes sense, so the old device can't handle the more taxing features, but why should it not get new apps or design improvements?

If internals was the main reason the iPod touch 4 would have iOS 7.

 

[iAmirul]

Hopefully iPad mini 1G will support iOS8 *cross fingers*

 

[Manatlt]

Which Devices Won't Make the Cut for iOS 8?

The iPad 2 was just killed off, Apple won't support a device it no longer sells by the time of the announcement.

iPad 3 (at the time) got killed off. Still got iOS 7.

The iPad 2 will get iOS 8, because of its brother iPad mini (1st) will be getting it. It has a A5 chip too and all other A5 chip devices will get iOS 8. There is absolutely NO reason for iPad 2 not to get iOS 8, unless Apple are being jerks.


At this time, the only iOS 7 device I think it will not get 8 is iPhone 4.

 

[oldmacs]

My prediction- Only the iPhone 4 will be dropped.

The iPad 2 has too great a market share. In October 2013 it had a larger market share than the 3rd and 4th gen iPads combined. Sure this will have gone down a bit since then, but the market share will still be fairly significant (Considering they sold them till recently). Thus discontinuing support would be crazy. That being said, no way they'll get iOS 9

The iPad 2 also has the same (well almost the same) internals as the 4S, iPod touch 5 and the Mini first gen. And the iPad 3 is roughly the same performance wise (My iPad 2 runs far better than my friends iPad 3). I highly doubt the 4S will get dropped. They're still selling it, same goes for the other two, and the iPad 3 has only received 2 updates. Same goes for the iPhone 4S. The Mini and iPod have only gotten 1 major update.

Other devices that were dropped 'prematurely' also ran their last version of iOS terribly. iOS 5 on the iPad 1 was hopeless, and iOS 6 on the Touch 5 wasn't much better. The iPad 2 runs iOS 7 quite well, sure not as well as iOS 6 but still quite well, and better than the iPad 3, due to the retina display.

From all the rumours, iOS 8 isn't going to be a massive upgrade, and theres talk of optimisation being a focus. So without massively increased iOS resource use, it would make sense for the iPad 2 and other A5 devices to receive the update, even if it is limited.

Thus the only reason I can see Apple dropping the 2 (but keeping the other A5 devices) would be pure greed. However I think this would be at the expense of annoying a lot of people.

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If internals was the main reason the iPod touch 4 would have iOS 7.

No, the iPod Touch 4 had 256 MB of ram vs 512 MB in the iPhone 4... which made a world of difference. I have both, and trust me, iOS 6 ran well on the iPhone 4, can't say the same for the 4th gen touch.

 

[Apple blogger]

The fourth generation iPod touch already can't do iOS 7, so yeah, that's definitely out. Or were you referring to something else by "iPod 4"?

Otherwise, you think the third generation iPad won't make it, but the first generation iPad mini will?

Well I guess the iPad mini 1 will see an update, they will stop selling it but will se an update just like the iPhone 3GS saw iOS 6 and iphone 4 saw iOS7... iPod 4 means iPod touch 4 gen.. Didn't it see iOS 7 update?

 

[XboxMySocks]

The iPhone 4 is the only device which will not make it. iPad 2 is only 3 years old and Apple has a minimum product support policy of 3 years but often will extend that to 4 and even 5.

 

[Yebubbleman]

A5 and A5X, A6 and A6X are both same CPU but with quad core GPU. So A5 and A5X share same CPU and A6 and A6X share same CPU... Apple probably made the clock speed faster, A5 on iPod Touch and iPhone 4S he's 800MHz, iPad uses 1GHz.

As iPad 4 to iPad Air, only major difference is the CPU and upgraded wifi to WiFi with MIMO...I do not think there gonna be major feature absent on iPad 4...

The Third generation probably will get iOS 8...but lots would have features missing. I think the cut off line would be iPad 3 and iPad mini first generation. It is safe to say iPod Touch will get iOS 8 as well. If Apple really decide to annx the iPod line up... Then iOS 9 would probably stick on iPod Touch 5 forever.

iPad 4 to iPad Air had a lot of differences between them. The CPU was a massive difference, plus they did give the 4th gen iPad and higher AirDrop solely due to a difference in wireless components. Totally feasible that they'll do something like that again here. iOS 9 would likely run like crap on any A5 based iOS device, even if the 5th gen iPod touch is the last of its kind.

If the original mini doesn't receive iOS 8, it would have the shortest support lifespan of any iOS device, as it would've only received one upgrade. There is no indication that it will be cut.

The 4S, original mini, and 5G iPod touch are very similar. And given that they are all still on sale, I expect they will all receive iOS 8. Even though the iPad 2 is technically similar, I don't think it will get the upgrade because it already received three software upgrades and is no longer on sale.

The real question mark is the third generation iPad. It could easily go either way.

The "no longer on sale" part really doesn't matter all that much and I'm surprised to see so many people citing it for their reasoning. Internal tech specs tend to be the primary factor; though I'll never know why the iPhone 3GS got iOS 6 and the third gen iPod touch didn't when the latter had faster internals than the former.

Yeah but it launched with iOS 3.2. It got iOS 4 and iOS 5.

Which is still substantially shorter of a support lifespan than its successor product got.

i have a 4s, i hope it runs ios 8, ios 8 seems a much refined version of ios8, fingers cross it runs well, i will upgrade then

No official word on that. It would make sense, but who knows. It could be more of a Mountain Lion release than a Snow Leopard release.

If internals was the main reason the iPod touch 4 would have iOS 7.

Nope. 256MB of RAM vs. 512MB. It didn't get iOS 7 because iOS 7 requires 512MB.

iPad 3 (at the time) got killed off. Still got iOS 7.

The iPad 2 will get iOS 8, because of its brother iPad mini (1st) will be getting it. It has a A5 chip too and all other A5 chip devices will get iOS 8. There is absolutely NO reason for iPad 2 not to get iOS 8, unless Apple are being jerks.


At this time, the only iOS 7 device I think it will not get 8 is iPhone 4.

There are other features present in the newer A5 devices that aren't in the iPad 2; the iPad 2 is also the last full-sized iPad to not have retina. They could cut the iPad 2 and the first gen iPad mini simply to simplify the design of the OS and apps (so as to not be coding for non-retina PPI settings anymore as those two are the only non-retina iOS devices that run iOS 7).

My prediction- Only the iPhone 4 will be dropped.

The iPad 2 has too great a market share. In October 2013 it had a larger market share than the 3rd and 4th gen iPads combined. Sure this will have gone down a bit since then, but the market share will still be fairly significant (Considering they sold them till recently). Thus discontinuing support would be crazy. That being said, no way they'll get iOS 9

The iPad 2 also has the same (well almost the same) internals as the 4S, iPod touch 5 and the Mini first gen. And the iPad 3 is roughly the same performance wise (My iPad 2 runs far better than my friends iPad 3). I highly doubt the 4S will get dropped. They're still selling it, same goes for the other two, and the iPad 3 has only received 2 updates. Same goes for the iPhone 4S. The Mini and iPod have only gotten 1 major update.

Other devices that were dropped 'prematurely' also ran their last version of iOS terribly. iOS 5 on the iPad 1 was hopeless, and iOS 6 on the Touch 5 wasn't much better. The iPad 2 runs iOS 7 quite well, sure not as well as iOS 6 but still quite well, and better than the iPad 3, due to the retina display.

From all the rumours, iOS 8 isn't going to be a massive upgrade, and theres talk of optimisation being a focus. So without massively increased iOS resource use, it would make sense for the iPad 2 and other A5 devices to receive the update, even if it is limited.

Thus the only reason I can see Apple dropping the 2 (but keeping the other A5 devices) would be pure greed. However I think this would be at the expense of annoying a lot of people.

Apple, for the most part tends to drop support when the experience of running the OS on that device is terrible. It's entirely possible that given the other older hardware elements of the iPad 2, that it'd get the axe for iOS 8 support. Plus, people do forget that the task of processing for a larger screen taxes the hardware more. Case in point, the fourth gen iPod touch got iOS 6 when the first gen iPad didn't when the latter had the superior processor. The latter also ran iOS 5 way worse than the former. So there you go. I'd say that comparing the iPad 2 to the 4S and the 5th Gen iPod touch isn't a fair comparison, iPad 2 to the first generation iPad mini brings a much more similar comparison to the table, however.

Well I guess the iPad mini 1 will see an update, they will stop selling it but will se an update just like the iPhone 3GS saw iOS 6 and iphone 4 saw iOS7... iPod 4 means iPod touch 4 gen.. Didn't it see iOS 7 update?

4th Gen touch did not get iOS 7. When iOS 7 gets security updates, it gets iOS 6.1.6 (a version unique to it and maybe the 3GS). I don't see the first gen iPad mini getting too many more updates. I agree with everyone that if it didn't get iOS 8 support, it would make it the shortest supported iOS device in iOS history and that would set a nasty precedent. That being said, iOS 7, in my experience, has been quite sluggish on it, much moreso compared to my 5th gen iPod touch and the iPhone 4S my work has me using. It wouldn't surprise me if, like was the case with iOS 6 and A4 devices, the iPads with the A5 don't get it, the iPhones/iPods with it do, and the third gen iPad gets it due to the increased RAM and graphics of the A5X but that iOS 8 is its last release.

The iPhone 4 is the only device which will not make it. iPad 2 is only 3 years old and Apple has a minimum product support policy of 3 years but often will extend that to 4 and even 5.

They do not have this policy. Case in point: the original iPad. What they did have a while back with iPhones was a minimum of two major OS updates and for iPod touches a minimum of one, but that was a while ago. I don't remember seeing about that for iPads or recently for anything else for that matter.

 

[Manatlt]

There are other features present in the newer A5 devices that aren't in the iPad 2; the iPad 2 is also the last full-sized iPad to not have retina. They could cut the iPad 2 and the first gen iPad mini simply to simplify the design of the OS and apps (so as to not be coding for non-retina PPI settings anymore as those two are the only non-retina iOS devices that run iOS 7).

And what exactly is the difference between 4s, iPod Touch (5th), iPad 2, iPad 3 and mini (1st gen) apart from 4s, Touch has retina display and screen size? Almost zilch.

The iPad 2 is still a beast even though it's old. That's why it's still capable of running iOS 7 today.

Apple stops giving iOS major upgrades to devices when they are NOT capable of running it. If iOS 8 requires 512MB just like iOS 7, it shouldn't have any problem at all. It's rumoured that iOS 8 isn't that much different than 7 anyway!

Yes I expect some iOS 8 features to be stripped from all A5 devices. But I seriously think all A5 devices (that all have 512MB of RAM) will be capable of running 8.

4s, mini (1st gen), iPod Touch (5th), iPad 2 and iPad 3 can't be all axed by Apple for this upgrade. It's way too soon for most of these devices. They just brought iPad 3 back on sale for peaksake, and it's slower than iPad 2 with iOS 7.

 

[oldmacs]

Apple, for the most part tends to drop support when the experience of running the OS on that device is terrible. It's entirely possible that given the other older hardware elements of the iPad 2, that it'd get the axe for iOS 8 support. Plus, people do forget that the task of processing for a larger screen taxes the hardware more. Case in point, the fourth gen iPod touch got iOS 6 when the first gen iPad didn't when the latter had the superior processor. The latter also ran iOS 5 way worse than the former. So there you go. I'd say that comparing the iPad 2 to the 4S and the 5th Gen iPod touch isn't a fair comparison, iPad 2 to the first generation iPad mini brings a much more similar comparison to the table, however./QUOTE]


Given iOS 8 isn't looking to be much different, there is no reason for it to run badly on the iPad 2. The iPad is very very similar to the 4S, the Mini 1 and the touch 5. In fact its got a faster processor than the 4S/Touch 5 plus it has less pixels to push. Given that Apple are almost certainly going to support the 4S/Touch 5 considering neither have reached their 'os support limit' plus the fact they both run iOS 7 well there would be no technical reason whatsoever for it not to run on the iPad 2.

While yes the iPad 1 was pushing less pixels than the iPod touch 4, the iPod was supported because Apple continued selling it. Same with the 3GS. Plus both would have had respectable market shares at the time. In this case the iPad 2 is pushing less pixels than all the other A5 devices besides the Mini 1.

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And what exactly is the difference between 4s, iPod Touch (5th), iPad 2, iPad 3 and mini (1st gen) apart from 4s, Touch has retina display and screen size? Almost zilch.

The iPad 2 is still a beast even though it's old. That's why it's still capable of running iOS 7 today.

Apple stops giving iOS major upgrades to devices when they are NOT capable of running it. If iOS 8 requires 512MB just like iOS 7, it shouldn't have any problem at all. It's rumoured that iOS 8 isn't that much different than 7 anyway!

Yes I expect some iOS 8 features to be stripped from all A5 devices. But I seriously think all A5 devices (that all have 512MB of RAM) will be capable of running 8.

4s, mini (1st gen), iPod Touch (5th), iPad 2 and iPad 3 can't be all axed by Apple for this upgrade. It's way too soon for most of these devices. They just brought iPad 3 back on sale for peaksake, and it's slower than iPad 2 with iOS 7.

Exactly! There is very little difference. I believe that the iPad 2/3/Mini 1 run at 1 GHZ , where as the iPod Touch 5/4S run at 800 Mhz. Essentially, the iPad 2 has more grunt, and no retina display meaning less energy to be spent! The iPad 3 has a better graphics chip (The A5X) than the 2, but the advantage of this is completely swallowed by the Retina display.

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The "no longer on sale" part really doesn't matter all that much and I'm surprised to see so many people citing it for their reasoning. Internal tech specs tend to be the primary factor; though I'll never know why the iPhone 3GS got iOS 6 and the third gen iPod touch didn't when the latter had faster internals than the former.

The iPod touch 3 was pretty much the same as the 3GS... from what I understood the 3GS was a little better? The 3GS got iOS 6 because it was sold right up until the iPhone 6 launch. Apple don't drop devices they are still selling. Plus the 3GS actually ran iOS 6 well, better than the iPod Touch 4.

 

[LordQ]

Something tells me that, besides the obvious iPhone 4, the iPad 2 and 3 won't get iOS 8.

 

[dannyyankou]

Performance on the iPad 2 is surprisingly decent, so I wouldn't be surprised if it gets updated one more time (it runs on the A5, just like the 4S). iPhone 4 will probably miss the cut, and the rest will likely be updated.

 

[Manatlt]

Which Devices Won't Make the Cut for iOS 8?

Something tells me that, besides the obvious iPhone 4, the iPad 2 and 3 won't get iOS 8.

Again iPad 3 is back on sale. The iPad 3 will still be on sale when 8 is announced. iPad 2 was on sale several months ago. iPad 2 runs faster than 3 on iOS 7 and runs decently. It's not struggling with the OS.

The only iOS 7 device that looks like it's on its last legs is iPhone 4.

As I said if the A5 devices don't get 8, then it's simply because Apple is greedy and disgusting. Not because they struggle.

The A5 chip is dated compared to A6 and A7, but it's more powerful than you think.

 

[Skika]

They just brought iPad 3 back on sale for peaksake, and it's slower than iPad 2 with iOS 7.

No they didn't, that is iPad 4. Big difference.

 

[goobot]

The iPhone 4 is the only device which will not make it. iPad 2 is only 3 years old and Apple has a minimum product support policy of 3 years but often will extend that to 4 and even 5.

iPad 1 only got a year and a half.

 

[richwoodrocket]

Again iPad 3 is back on sale. The iPad 3 will still be on sale when 8 is announced. iPad 2 was on sale several months ago. iPad 2 runs faster than 3 on iOS 7 and runs decently. It's not struggling with the OS.

The only iOS 7 device that looks like it's on its last legs is iPhone 4.

As I said if the A5 devices don't get 8, then it's simply because Apple is greedy and disgusting. Not because they struggle.

The A5 chip is dated compared to A6 and A7, but it's more powerful than you think.

My iPad 2 and 3 struggle very much with iOS 7.1.1. Almost as bad as my iPhone 4 on iOS 7.

 

[Manatlt]

Which Devices Won't Make the Cut for iOS 8?

My iPad 2 and 3 struggle very much with iOS 7.1.1. Almost as bad as my iPhone 4 on iOS 7.

My iPad 2 doesn't struggle with iOS 7.1.1. High tensive apps yes, but for web browsing, videos, music and in general - no.

It's almost as fast as my 5s and mini 2nd gen.

 

[cynics]

Again iPad 3 is back on sale. The iPad 3 will still be on sale when 8 is announced. iPad 2 was on sale several months ago. iPad 2 runs faster than 3 on iOS 7 and runs decently. It's not struggling with the OS.

The only iOS 7 device that looks like it's on its last legs is iPhone 4.

As I said if the A5 devices don't get 8, then it's simply because Apple is greedy and disgusting. Not because they struggle.

The A5 chip is dated compared to A6 and A7, but it's more powerful than you think.

Isn't the only iPads Apple is selling right now the 4 and Air? They discontinued the 3 a long time ago.

 

[Manatlt]

Isn't the only iPads Apple is selling right now the 4 and Air? They discontinued the 3 a long time ago.

Yeah my mistake.

 

[zorinlynx]

I have a feeling only the iPhone 4 will be dropped, simply because it's the only single-core A4-based device still supported. Its performance is significantly below that of the dual-core A5, and it can barely handle iOS 7 as is.

The iPad 2 was on sale so recently there would probably be a revolt if it weren't supported.

 

[Traverse]

But why would the 1st gen mini get update but not the iPad 2?

I only see the iPhone 4 not getting iOS8

Why does the mini have Siri, but the iPad 2 does not?

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Keep in mind that the original iPad mini, with only a few exceptions pertinent to hardware differences that likely have nothing to do with whether or not it'll support a newer OS, is very close in spec to the iPad 2, as is the iPhone 4S, as is the fifth generation iPod touch. Of the devices listed, only the iPhone 4 (for having an A4 still) and the third generation iPad (for having double the RAM and beefier graphics in the A5X) are starkly different when it comes to the components that will likely determine what makes the cut here.

If the iPad 3 gets iOS 8, I don't think it will run it particularly well. My iPad 3 runs iOS 7 well enough, but not perfect.

 

[Intell]

The iPad 2 was on sale so recently there would probably be a revolt if it weren't supported.

The iPod Touch 4G was on sale up to a week before iOS 7 was announced. No revolt from its recent purchasers when it wasn't in the list of supported devices.