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Seriously though, Apple has been too strategic with this roll out. I think just like they kept the 2016 to 2020 chassis for the M1 MBP, they could have just rolled out Apple Silicon for all the Mac SKU's with their old chassis. Its good think I keep my devices for long so I don't have to depend on waiting on a design refresh with what are now old architectures being sold.

Apple must have really committed internally to really ensure the Intel Macs still continue to get macOS support beyond 5 years. I don't see how someone who spent 41 grand on a specced out Mac Pro (check the refurb store) and not expect to get at least 10 years of macOS updates.
 
It would be so weird to me if they updated the 13” MBP and M1 Mac mini with M2 rather than take models which still exist with Intel chips, like the high-end Mac mini and 27” iMac, and transition them to ASi with the M1 Pro.
That’s the logical perspective. Apple badly needs more capable desktops to be released for creative types and businesses. Not low end consumer models that don’t fill in that obvious product gap. It’s all about larger iMac, Mac Pro, and some other more capable headless Mac. The laptop side of Mac is pretty well a rounded at the moment. ;)
 
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universal control has been in all three Betas.
Also, if you truly have been beta testing for years, you would know that Apple switches to a weekly beta release cycle when we’re only a couple weeks from the final build… and wouldn’t you know it, the last two betas were released a week apart.
Expect next beta on 2/22, RC on 3/01 and final release on 3/08 or shortly after
If your not running the current beta you wouldn’t be so positive. :p
 
The M2 chip will be a silent launch for the 13” MacBook Pro and the 24” iMac, they will announce a new design MacBook Air with the M2 and a new design Mac Mini with M1 Pro and Max options. As for a new Mac Pro and 27” iMac Pro I’m not sure.
 
It would be so weird to me if they updated the 13” MBP and M1 Mac mini with M2 rather than take models which still exist with Intel chips, like the high-end Mac mini and 27” iMac, and transition them to ASi with the M1 Pro.
It could well be chip shortage or other supply chain related, and not just the M2 / M1 Pro/Max CPUs themselves. For example the ARM iMac 27" M1 Pro/Max might have issues with a miniLED screen, the new M1 Pro/Max Mac mini replacement might be waiting on a new case from the overworked engineering design team.
 
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Perhaps. But if Apple is indeed already manufacturing MacBook Pro 13 inchers with M2 as you reported, then the 2 other desktops are M2 as well; the 24-inch iMac refreshed with M2, and the redesigned Mac mini with M2.

There's this idea that the Mac mini is getting a pro version with M1 Pro and M1 Max. The John Prosser redesign rumor with its plexiglass top has sweetened the idea. Maybe?! But that all doesn't seem to fit what the aim of the Mac mini. Remember BYOKDM?


Only Steve Jobs could get an applause for showing a cardboard box on stage. He was a true salesman and presenter. I enjoyed watching his events. Not so much what Apple does now.

It‘ll certainly be a true step up for the Mini if they offer it as a ‘Pro’ model.
 
The M2 will utilize either the Blizzard and Avalanche core designs from the A15 or whatever weather phenomenon codename cores Apple creates for the A16

MacBook SnowStorm confirmed!
?

Laughs aside…
I really hope they make a larger Air someday
 
Seriously though, Apple has been too strategic with this roll out. I think just like they kept the 2016 to 2020 chassis for the M1 MBP, they could have just rolled out Apple Silicon for all the Mac SKU's with their old chassis. Its good think I keep my devices for long so I don't have to depend on waiting on a design refresh with what are now old architectures being sold.

Apple must have really committed internally to really ensure the Intel Macs still continue to get macOS support beyond 5 years. I don't see how someone who spent 41 grand on a specced out Mac Pro (check the refurb store) and not expect to get at least 10 years of macOS updates.
Of all the perspectives, the Mac Pro transition got to be the most challenging to ponder about. We all dealt with older workstations in the enterprise. It’s not like they immediately become less valuable. It’s not about fancy specs, it’s all about the software you run to get things accomplished. To this end Apple has committed to OS updates and security patches for several years. Somewhere in this transition we heard that Apple is going to use multiple processors. You have to wonder if they don’t start migrating towards CPU cards that can be swapped out in some workstation chassis instead of a fixed build configuration that slowly becomes obsolete. It would be neat if you install multiple CCA’s as time goes along to make the workstation even more powerful also.
 
Sure but remember this event also has an iPhone SE and an iPad Air, and possibly a 13 inch mbp
Most people are looking forward for a 27” iMac. The iPad Air is a delayed launch but still good that its coming. Other products have had no leaks or any info whatsoever about them. So no excitement. Maybe Apple will surprise us, although now it rarely does.
 
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It would be so weird to me if they updated the 13” MBP and M1 Mac mini with M2 rather than take models which still exist with Intel chips, like the high-end Mac mini and 27” iMac, and transition them to ASi with the M1 Pro.
Perhaps they don't quite have the volume of the chips for those last 2 ready yet? One logical hypothesis from accumulating rumors is that iMac "Pro" could get the MAX DUO and Mac Pro could get the MAX QUAD. Maybe neither is ready (in volume) yet?

OR, there's been plenty of rumors about display production problems, even putting iPhone orders at risk. iMac must have plenty of good displays. Maybe iMac "Pro" is basically ready except it doesn't have the display volume needed to announce now?

Else, see earlier posts: a number on the CPU is just a number. Average Joe may not even know/care what is printed on that part. If the number matters much to someone, they can buy the "2" and have a perfectly functional new Mac. Those who care to dig into such details might be attracted to the 2 for PRICE more than PUNCH and not care about faster (than what 2 can do).

Maybe Apple had an original plan to ALREADY have everything switched over and now they are bumping into some things being able to move on to M2 (or whatever it might be called) and other things still waiting for parts?
 
It‘ll certainly be a true step up for the Mini if they offer it as a ‘Pro’ model.

While it doesn't get the NAME (Pro), you can go in the store and configure a $3K Mac Mini using technology that is couple of years old right now...

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It's possible to configure a 14" MBpro M1 MAX with not MAXed config options for LESS that that... and it will come with a screen, better speakers, keyboard, trackpad, camera, battery, etc.

We can config a MBpro with the best M1 PRO chip 32GB RAM and 1TB storage for $100 LESS than that right now.

I do not see it as some monumental leap for M1 PRO & MAX to appear in a new Mac Mini.
 
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I don't know. I am hoping it's the new larger >27" iMac. I also hope the larger iMac and iMac Pro will be different products as they are completely different products targeted at very different users.
 
While it doesn't get the NAME (Pro), you can go in the store right now and configure a $3K Mac Mini using technology that is couple of years old right now...

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It's possible to configure a 14" MBpro M1 MAX with not MAXed config options for LESS that that... and it will come with a screen, better speakers, keyboard, trackpad, camera, battery, etc.

I do not see it as some monumental leap for M1 PRO & MAX to appear in a new Mac Mini.

You’ve just destroyed my hopes :( lol. Although those are Intel chips and not Apples own ones which will affect the costs. I think a 1500 to 2K Mac Mini will be quite a powerful mini desktop.
I would still consider a new Mac Mini using Pro and Max chips a significant jump from the old Intel i7 model though.
 
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Does Apple normally use a 1 week or 2 week windows for event announcements? I think we are getting close to that time frame for this predicted March 8 event.
 
You’ve just destroyed my hopes :( lol. Although those are Intel chips and not Apples own ones which will affect the costs. I think a 1500 to 2K Mac Mini will be quite a powerful mini desktop.
I would still consider a new Mac Mini using Pro and Max chips a significant jump from the old Intel i7 model though.

Sorry about those hopes. I think a great deal of the doubts about PRO & MAX Mini is some kind of mental lock that Mini must cost very little. Apple could put ANYTHING in one and make the case out of 18K gold. Recall that original generation Apple Watch 18K option for what $10K? Look what they did with iMac vs. iMac Pro: a well-established iMac with pricing starting about $1K-$2K suddenly had starter models up well over $4K. How did they rationalize it then? It is the pro-configured iMac. Why not a pro-configured Mini? It's not like they don't already have chips with that name on them. And the Mini it is replacing already has a configuration at $3K.

To anyone interested in the rumored Mini, just go into the store now and configure the 14" MBpro as you would want the Mini. Then best guess what kind of discount pricing would get by leaving out the uniquely laptop parts: everything in the lid, battery, better speakers, track pad, keyboard, etc.

My working best guess for "loaded" Mac Mini MAX 64GB 8TB Storage, etc is about $4999- give or take a few hundred. My best guess down at the other end for PRO with minimum specs could be $1299 but I'm guessing $1499, again give or take a hundred or two.

So yes, I believe $1500-$2K will buy a pretty good Mac Mini PRO. You MIGHT even be able to get a minimum spec M1 MAX for close to $2K. We'll see soon enough.

For all my own obvious hope for a loaded Mini, there is the endless thread that the new Mini must be coming with wave after wave of rumor-fueled expectations ramping up around events only to be dashed by no announcement at all... over and over and over and over again. Nevertheless, my own fingers are crossed. ?
 
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With Apple's commitment to replace Intel; the mac mini is the most likely, given supply chain issues for displays and the mac pro to be introduced with the next generation Apple silicon.
 
With Apple's commitment to replace Intel; the mac mini is the most likely, given supply chain issues for displays and the mac pro to be introduced with the next generation Apple silicon.
Actually one could argue that the larger iMac with its use of more expensive Intel processors with a large built in display is more likely. Its used everywhere, businesses, education, consumers homes. Frequently seen on TV in TV shows and film. :)
 
I can't believe thread after thread get all these M2 confusion worry posts. Apple HAS rolled out new products with "old" (numbered) chips before. So they can do that because they have done it. Anyone purchased an Apple TV lately? What chip is in there? Better not check if you worry about latest & greatest numbers painted on chips you will likely never actually see.

Secondly, we are imagining a "pattern" based on only perhaps a familial connection to what we've seen with A-series chips. Perhaps there's no M2 at all? Maybe it will be a letter change instead of a number? Hello N1. Maybe M-series is meant for Mobile macs (in spite of original Mini and "Mini" iMac) and desktops will get a D1? Maybe Apple will do a OS X branding trick and the next real hardware will be M1.2 preceding M1.3?Maybe Apple will jump to an M5 (and only increment in 5s or 10s)? Or perhaps align the next iteration with A-Series with the new M16 chip? There's no history to assume anything. Yes, it seems logical that the chip after M1 will be called M2, but until there is a M2 we have no pattern at all on only a single iteration. The long-time OS X branding implies it very easily could be M1.X branding for the next decade and a half or so.

Thirdly, hop over to where you have a group of Macs for sale now with M1 like MBpro. Mentally erase the tiny little image of a chip with a number on it. Replace it with "Powered by Apple Silicon" or "Apple M-Series Chips" and then see how confusing it is to tell weaker MBpro from stronger MBpro. Hop into your much less informed, average Joe buyer's shoes and take a look...

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Any confusion about which is the more powerful Mac? Which is the lower powered Mac? What if one has a M1, another has a M50 and a third has a DX1420 painted on their CPUs? Any confusion about which is the better one from that pitch?

The average Joe looks at the bottom line- that pricing- and will assume the far right one is BETTER than the 2 to the left. Slightly more knowledgable Joe will probably notice 32GB is greater than 16GB and 1TB is greater than 512GB. Regardless of what is painted on "invisible" chips INSIDE the box, it is very easy to differentiate more power from less power in computers.

Those more concerned with such stuff- like us- would need to dig into tech specs and follow Apple Mac tech news to get their brains around that. Step backwards a bit: is a Mac with Coffee Lake better or worse than Whiskey Lake? Is Haswell better than Ivy Bridge vs. Sandy Bridge vs Veronica Lake vs. Cannon Lake vs. Land o' Lakes? Do we armchair experts remember which of those is better than the other? Several of those were once the central brains of "latest & greatest" Macs- some of which we probably purchased ourselves.

In terms of power, Apple chose to start at "the bottom" of the product mix and work towards the top. So historically weakest/cheapest models got Apple Silicon before pro machines. When the first pros got it, they got the enhanced version of it in PRO & MAX. What is left to transition? iMac "bigger" and Mac Pro. Conceptually, those should have the MOST POWERFUL Apple Silicon. So if we buy this concept that there can't be an M2 (or whatever it will be called) until all Macs are M1, what goes in the MOST POWERFUL Macs still to be released?

Yes, there are rumors of M1 MAX DUO and M1 MAX QUAD and at least DUO looks plausibly legit. Logically, if DUO went into iMac "bigger" and QUAD went into Mac Pro (Jr?), that seems nice & tidy in terms of supporting this concept that everything must transition before there can be anything with M2. But then what? Roll out M1 QUAD Mac Pro in NOV-DEC and then a weakest Mac with M2 a few months later? Aren't all these worries about consumer confusion magnified if the most powerful Mac hits at end of year and then some weakest Mac has a "2" in a chip name in about MAR '23?

Personally, I think Mac should go "2" (or whatever) as soon as a "2" is ready to sell. It's only a NAME. What could conceptually be iMac Pro M1 MAX DUO could be iMac Pro M2 DUO by changing what is printed on a chip. M1 MAX QUAD could be M2 MAX QUAD by changing what is printed on a chip. By simply being configured as DUO and QUAD, Apple marketing could spin entirely new chip and easily increment the number.

Or even more simply: 1 could be for Apple Silicon stuff released in 2021 and 2 could be for Apple Silicon released in 2022 and so on. Maybe 1 means NOTHING technologically? Have we ever seen that kind of number (in a computing) name before?

The biggest point is that it's only a NAME. And average Joe probably doesn't know the significance of a number in that name any better than Bluetooth 4 vs. 5, HDMI 1.4 vs 2 vs 2.1 and all of the many variations of USB 3: C, gen 1, gen 2, 4, thunderbolt 2, 3 & 4, wifi ac 802.11 vs 6 vs. 6e etc. Clearly, average Joe will want wifi 802.11 vs. wifi 6, right? It's a much bigger number so it must be farrrrrrrr superior.

I hope M2 (or whatever Apple chooses to call it) arrives ASAP, and M3 (or whatever) ASAP thereafter. I'm smart enough to consider the scenario of M2 being weaker than M1 PRO and M1 MAX... and then assume a M2 PRO & MAX will be more powerful than M1 predecessors. For those not able to figure that out or only care about bigger numbers, they can buy M2 and that Mac will work just fine for them. If they are over and we're debating tech specs, I can pull out a pretty old Mac with 802.11 and claim it is 796 times "bigger" than their lowly 6 or 6e in their shiny new one.
Gotta love marketing…
 
I am also not ruling out that Apple won't do one final update to the Intel Mac Pro this year. (the rumored Ice Lake spec bump) while at the same time as releasing the AppleSilicon iMac Pro.

Tim Cool explicitly said at the time that they still had intel based Macs in the pipeline. He use the word "Macs" meaning plural. We have only seen one of those released with the intel 2020 iMac spec bump so far. I think a spec bumped Ice Lake Mac Pro will be the final "hold over" release before they have the AppleSilicon Mac Pro ready.

It should also be remembered that references to Ice Lake have been found in recent Xcode dev builds which corroborates the above statement.

Additionally. The segment of users that the Mac Pro targets will probably be the final holdouts in this transition anyway so having one more spec bump before they have an M1 based design that can clearly play in Xeon territory seems to makes sense.
 
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