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I don't imagine that the profit margins on the new MacBook are vastly dissimilar to any of their other product lines.

First generation of a new line is always going to cost more to manufacture than simply the sum of its parts (a lot of which are also engineered from the ground up in this case) due to manufacturing processes that may be new to the manufacturing plant.

New battery fabrication, new keyboard, new body, etc etc. It all costs more money to engineer and fabricate a brand new component than one that's been around a few years or is shared by different products.

Apple will spend the time between gen1 and gen2 driving up manufacturing efficiency and driving down cost of materials/components, resulting in a more "reasonably priced" product (quotes because reasonably priced has not been part of Apple's business model in living memory).

In the meantime, if price is an issue, gen1 is not for you (and likely was never intended to be). It's a great product, but I'll likely be waiting for gen2 for tech reasons rather than cost.
Apple is unlikely to drop the price and more likely to beef up the specs to keep us at the $1299 price.

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Is just silly to call any company greedy. They are running a business! If their very slick Ad got to you, then you will buy it. If you are able to step out and think it rationally and you don't think you are getting enough bang for your buck then you will skip it. Simple.

People call Apple greedy because they can't afford it or they are strapped for cash. That's the real truth here. Every company is in business to make as much money as they can.
 
If they drop the Macbook Air, they will probably drop the price on this Macbook. They love bragging how their sales are going up and 1300 plus tax is not a good entry price for a lot of people.
 
Who Else Changed Their Mind?

People call Apple greedy because they can't afford it or they are strapped for cash. That's the real truth here. Every company is in business to make as much money as they can.


Uhh no, that's not entirely true, in my case at least. I've said it like four times already in this this thread, I don't know how many times I have to repeat it. I have the money. I can afford to buy one. If I couldn't, I wouldn't have seriously thought of getting one when it was first announced. I already have a 15" MacBook Pro Retina, iMac, and 11" MacBook Air so I know that I will have buyer's guilt months later if I get the rMB as it's not worth the price for an underpowered machine compared to the laptops I already have.
 
No, I don't feel they have gotten too greedy. There is a lot of new innovation in the new rMB. They redesigned the keyboard and trackpad. The battery packs are also new and so is the fan less design. One also can't forget about the new retina display in such a thin form factor. I think it is quite amazing. It makes sense for them to try and recoup some of their engineering costs.

I don't mind footing the bill for some of their R&D. I'm impressed with they came up with. Even Intel is bringing new things to the table in the form of low power Core M chips.

Seriously? There are thinner and lighter laptops out there with better and larger displays with an array of ports and for less money. If Apple is really going with the "we couldn't add any ports because of its size" excuse, thats just sad.
 
It'll be significantly improved in it's second iteration (better CPU, GPU, probably HD camera, more IO, better battery etc) and potentially be cheaper as well.

Irrespective of your feelings towards the hardware, there's nothing wrong with being more conservative and arguably more sensible with your money.

It's cool being on the first wave and seeing the new kit first but it comes at a higher price, especially with Apple gear, whether that's something that's worth it to you is subjective.
 
Seriously? There are thinner and lighter laptops out there with better and larger displays with an array of ports and for less money. If Apple is really going with the "we couldn't add any ports because of its size" excuse, thats just sad.

I haven't kept up on the PC side, could you provide examples of your claim?

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About getting the new MacBook? First off let me mention that I like Apple products and have been buying them ever since I was a teenager. I had an iPod Classic, 2 iPod Touch, iPad 3, iMac, 11" MacBook Air, iPhones, iPod Touch 5G, not to mention the many Apple peripheral products and accessories. Now I currently use an iPhone 6, iPad Mini Retina, 15" MBP Retina, I still have all the Apple products I mentioned earlier although I don't use them anymore. When Apple announced the new MacBook, I was very excited and was seriously planning on getting one April 10th even after I've seen the price tags and specs.

However, two days ago it all of a sudden hit me that I should not get the new MacBook. Even though I can afford one. I've started contemplating. I think it's not worth it at all for the price Apple is asking for it. The 512GB version costs $1,715 at my local Apple Store as opposed to the price in the US, which is $1,599. And the base model costs $1,415 ($1,299 in the US Apple Store). Seriously, don't you think it's wrong of Apple to sell the new MacBook at these prices? Don't you think Apple has gotten too greedy?

These sorts of threads are created EVERY time Apple releases a new product.... Everyone questions how Apple can charge X and tells why they think it is over priced and why they aren't going to buy them. My quesiton is, who cares? If you don't want it, don't buy it. I'm not buying an Apple Watch, but I'm not creating a thread for it. Congrats on having an individual thought/opinion?
 
It makes sense for them to try and recoup some of their engineering costs.


LOL. U make it sounds like Apple is struggling$$. That $&^@# company made 12 Billion, with a Capital B, in a single quarter! They don't know what to do with all that mulla! But I won't call them greedy, kudos because they make premium products that people are willing to buy.

If you call a company greedy, that means you have been too emotionally involved with them and your left brain is starting to kick in and that's a good thing.

I agree with the other post, early adopters you gotta be willing to part with your wallet. You want more bang for the buck, and your right brain let you, wait for next gen.
 
Check out the Asus Zenbook UX305, the Lenovo Yoga Pro 3 and the upcoming Lenovo LaVie HZ550

I didn't look at the LaVie, but ummm those aren't smaller, cheaper, as fast, etc. etc.....

The Asus is cheaper, but larger (overall size), slower processors, etc.

The Yoga Pro 3 is bigger and the same price.

Both rock the slower HD5300 GPU as well. They meet SOME of your points, but not all and oh yeah not made of aluminum....

Your comment exactly "There are thinner and lighter laptops out there with better and larger displays with an array of ports and for less money. " which I am still looking for.

Edit: Looked at the LaVie, it is lighter (unsure about exact size), but is more expensive.
 
even billion dollar companies can tank in a single year, that's why they balance development funding with maintaining a massive war chest.

But otherwise, the computer is more than just specs, ssd size, ram size etc. The things that also matters that people don't consider is battery life, screen quality, audio, build, keyboard, chassis, etc. All of that costs money.

If you value screen quality and battery life in a beautiful package, then this is a great system that will improve quality of life. It's like dishing out for a nicer looking car, I'm going to be driving 60km/h anyways.
 
Edit: Looked at the LaVie, it is lighter (unsure about exact size), but is more expensive.
It's $1299, same as the Macbook. The closest so far is probably the 2015 Samsung ATIV 9. Almost identical specs, size, weight and price as the Macbook (but more ports). We'll probably see a lot of similar models coming out in Q2. It's all driven by the availability of the Core-M CPUs.
 
It's $1299, same as the Macbook. The closest so far is probably the 2015 Samsung ATIV 9. Almost identical specs, size, weight and price as the Macbook (but more ports). We'll probably see a lot of similar models coming out in Q2. It's all driven by the availability of the Core-M CPUs.

Not with 8GB of RAM. The base LaVie only has 4GB of RAM and half the SSD (128GB). You have to step up to the 750 to get 8GB and 256GB which is 1499. It also has a <30whr battery that only provides 6hrs of run time. It's pretty easy to add more ports when you put a tiny battery that won't get a day's worth of use....
 
I'm being logical here. "Too rich for my blood"? It has nothing to do with this. I can afford one but I'm thinking rationally. Ignore the MBA, imagine for a second that it never existed. Now, for a laptop with that specs, don't you think the price is a bit unreasonable? Come on. You're lying to yourself if you think otherwise. Really, Apple is being unbelievably selfish.

Why do you think the price is unreasonable? It is priced very competitively agains similar machines. Or do you mean that its too expensive given its performance?
 
Nearest competitor as far as I can tell is the Lenovo Yoga Pro 3 - Same Core M processor, High-Resolution Screen, super thin design, 8gb ram, 256gb ssd

$1299

Just like the MacBook
 
I'm being logical here. "Too rich for my blood"? It has nothing to do with this. I can afford one but I'm thinking rationally. Ignore the MBA, imagine for a second that it never existed. Now, for a laptop with that specs, don't you think the price is a bit unreasonable? Come on. You're lying to yourself if you think otherwise. Really, Apple is being unbelievably selfish.

"with that specs" includes weight. Ultra-light laptops have always been expensive.
 
rMB doesn't have touch screen so Yoga Pro 3 isn't a valid comparison. It's more equivalent to the $800 Asus Zenbook UX305 8GB/256GB.

Was entertaining the idea of adding the rMB but after some thought it's almost $1400 with a required dongle for a limited netbook without touch and pen input. Going to wait to check out the Surface Pro 4 instead.
 
It's $1299, same as the Macbook. The closest so far is probably the 2015 Samsung ATIV 9. Almost identical specs, size, weight and price as the Macbook (but more ports). We'll probably see a lot of similar models coming out in Q2. It's all driven by the availability of the Core-M CPUs.

Yes, the LaVie is the only really interesting one of the bunch, and mostly because it is NOT using a core M processor, but dual core iX 15W TDP processors. HDMI, 2 USB-A 3.1 and an SDXC, plus of course power.

It looks just like an anorexic ThinkPad - in a good way...but the $1299 price reportedly has less RAM and a smaller SSD than the base Macbook is offering, and on a personal level, I am all in on the OSX ecosystem - don't even use MS Office anymore :-/.

For anyone rocking an MBA from mid-2011 or earlier, and almost all MBP's from 2010 or earlier - especially those without SSD's - The new Macbook will be a significant upgrade in user experience for normal everyday tasks - Email, Web-based work, Productivity Suites (Office/iWork), and Media consumption, including light photo/video editing (think new Photos app, Pixelmator and iMovie) and media library management.

Those who want to use it as a Jack of all trades, though, and add to that workload with things like Pro/Prosumer audio editing, video and photo editing and encoding, professional level Adobe CC work, etc, are going to be extremely disappointed when the CPU/GPU starts throttling like crazy. This was never meant to be your solution anyway.
 
However, two days ago it all of a sudden hit me that I should not get the new MacBook. Even though I can afford one. I've started contemplating. I think it's not worth it at all for the price Apple is asking for it. The 512GB version costs $1,715 at my local Apple Store as opposed to the price in the US, which is $1,599. And the base model costs $1,415 ($1,299 in the US Apple Store). Seriously, don't you think it's wrong of Apple to sell the new MacBook at these prices? Don't you think Apple has gotten too greedy?

Calculate the exchange rate between your currency and US and remove any taxes included.
 
I didn't look at the LaVie, but ummm those aren't smaller, cheaper, as fast, etc. etc.....

The Asus is cheaper, but larger (overall size), slower processors, etc.

The Yoga Pro 3 is bigger and the same price.

Both rock the slower HD5300 GPU as well. They meet SOME of your points, but not all and oh yeah not made of aluminum....

Your comment exactly "There are thinner and lighter laptops out there with better and larger displays with an array of ports and for less money. " which I am still looking for.

You didn't read much I guess. The Zenbook is an all aluminum build and the Yoga 3 is aluminum and steel. Also, lets not forget these offer a larger AND higher quality (QHD) displays then the Macbook.

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I can't call a company greedy? Says who? It's my opinion. You don't have to agree with it. Anyway, I stated earlier, I thought of it rationally and I am going to skip the new MacBook. It's a good thing it's available next month. If it was a day after the keynote, I would have bought it without thinking.

No one told you what you can and can't do. It's not nice to put words in other people's mouths that they never, ever said or even implied.

Just like you can't tell anyone not to express their opinion of your opinion. No they don't have to agree with it - and they can tell you it's silly if they think it's silly.
 
You didn't read much I guess. The Zenbook is an all aluminum build and the Yoga 3 is aluminum and steel. Also, lets not forget these offer a larger AND higher quality (QHD) displays then the Macbook.

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Yeah, but both have larger footprints and are heavier? The guy is just trying to hold you to your comment. These do have larger, higher resolution touch displays (for extra money, making them more expensive than the MB in those configurations) but they aren't at the same time thinner and lighter and smaller? Maybe we are being too literal with your statement?
 
Yeah, but both have larger footprints and are heavier? The guy is just trying to hold you to your comment. These do have larger, higher resolution touch displays (for extra money, making them more expensive than the MB in those configurations) but they aren't at the same time thinner and lighter and smaller? Maybe we are being too literal with your statement?

The Yoga 3 is the same price $1299. I didn't mean there was any one laptop that was thinner and lighter, although the Lenovo LaVie HZ550 and HZ750 will change that in May. I was just saying that Apple's claim they couldn't add card readers or ports to the Macbook because of its small size was garbage because there are thinner laptops out with card readers and ports.
 
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