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Is there a MBP with build in HDMI? As of 28Jan10, there ISN't one available. You don't need a phD to know that.

I don't know about MD ports, but for DVI you can get a simple converter to HDMI. Granted, it doesn't carry sound as well, but you didn't say that. :D

So right! No one can predict what Apple plans are. Let's face it. After using Mac OS for about 8 years now, I can tell it has the edge over Windows. However, since Windows 7 has been released, the gap between Mac OS and Windows is narrowing down. Windows 7 is user friendly and quite stable.

Though I haven't used it, I have friends who never switched from Windows and they complain about incompatibility in Windows 7 quite often. It seems to have problems with 32bit/64bit compatibility. So I wouldn't assume that the gap is that narrow just yet.

Some MBP users might try to convince themselves they did the right choice, their MBP is not overpriced and that hardware specs should not matter. But actually, they are wondering how come their friends got a much better customized PC laptop for less than what they paid for a Mac.

And some people actually stop to realize that hardware is only as good as the software that lets you interact with it. I'm not saying one is better than the other, but people do work on one system better than another. I switched because I was tired of constant system crashes, which may or may not still occur. However, I've also come to realize that Mac OS fits the way I work so much better that it gets out of my way so that I can get stuff done. That's an intangible spec that is different for every user, but it's the most important.
 
I am also VERY disappointed that they didn't release something new, i will wait till February 15 or something, if they don't release something new i will just buy one
 
I am also VERY disappointed that they didn't release something new, i will wait till February 15 or something, if they don't release something new i will just buy one

As I explained earlier, what's the point of waiting until then if you're just going to buy a current machine if it doesn't happen? If the current machine is fine for you, why'd you wait in the first place?

If you can wait, the best option is just to wait.
 
(Apple) don't tell us early when updates are coming out.

These imply solid business tactics from Apple, by getting loyal Apple customers to buy when they should wait. (Pay same/more for lesser hardware.)

As most people can imagine, people are less likely to buy a product if they know the update is coming out in a couple days. This is due to a distinct d, allowing people to make an informed decision because all relevant information is known.

However, Apple wants people to pay more than they should. By not announcing beforehand (keeping d an unknown), at least a few people make a "bad decision" (buy when they shouldn't), giving Apple more/same for less.

By increasing the right side of the equation, they are again getting people to make "bad decisions" (buy before they should).

Of course, Apple can do this because they have many loyal customers, who won't buy anything else (or at least cringe while they do so). Most other computer manufacturers don't have such a luxury, and thus cannot implement the same tactic.


That makes Apple sound like a bunch of A**holes who purposefully try to screw over loyal customers to make them pay more than they should and trick them into making bad decisions and completely contradicts this....


They want you to love and trust the brand.

They are not in the business of pursuing short-sighted sales, they are in the business of building loyal customers for long-term prosperity.
 
They didn't want to take away the thunder/marketing hype of the iPad. Plain and Simple. Period.

I too am waiting for the MacBookPro refresh, hopefully with the more powerful Clarksdale rather than Arandale.
 
That makes Apple sound like a bunch of A**holes who purposefully try to screw over loyal customers to make them pay more than they should and trick them into making bad decisions and completely contradicts this....

The key is that it's the system that does it, not Apple. Most people wouldn't equate the Apple brand with that. Besides, it's not very different than what any other company does. Rarely does a company offer a new product that replaces and older one before they're ready to sell it. Those companies usually sell the remaining stock at a discount. Apple doesn't do that either.
 
That makes Apple sound like a bunch of A**holes who purposefully try to screw over loyal customers to make them pay more than they should and trick them into making bad decisions and completely contradicts this....

It's a public company with a [legal] responsibility to their shareholders to maximize the profit of the company.

Plus, it's only a truly bad decision (which is why I used quotes above), when you have all the information at hand. Since we have limited a priori knowledge of refresh/release dates, no one is really making a bad decision.

The brand management of Apple is top notch, which is why many people think of Apple products as "well designed, premium products" rather than "overpriced commodities."
 
Ok, like I got this PowerBook G4, 12" and added bluetooth, airport and more RAM when I got it. A month later, all that was standard and the price was lower. I could have died. Now, 2010, I eagerly await the update for the MacBook Pro, 15" and will get it after it's updated. I WILL wait. I WILL not get anything pulled on me this time. I have saved for three years and am ready to purchase, but not until the update. I think I am a good customer to wait on the update instead of getting one of the current models.

Those who buy often will feel pooped on if they don't wait. I, having waited forever to buy again, will not be pooped on. Ha ha. I shall not, I shall not.:D
 
a) You don't need that more then the 9400 unless you are some gamer, and most people aren't 12 year old gamers so they don't need it.

b) whining have nothing to do with the free market, not buying or buying on the other hand will. The problem is most people will still buy a computer with the 9400, see a).

c) The 9400 is a good tradeoff between graphic performance and heat/battery life. I would not trade a single second of battery life for higher graphic performance, as this is a laptop.



Isn't the most important thing that it does the things you do? I rather think the retarded whiners should stop clogging up the forums. It seems most people settle for average, most people do not run the top of the line computer with maxxed ram and an SSD and whatnot. But I hope you will do it once they update, the most expensive one + the best SSD there is. If you do not you are just some hypocrite.

sorry, how weak your arguments! 9400 does not even have own memory.
and how about people who make games on MBP? And want to launch it and test it? I design on my mac, I work with 3Dmax, After effects.

And better graphics does not mean less battery life, when it is not working. If you have a game running, of course, but for usuall stuff, barely any difference, if any at all.

And, I never settle for high end, I am too smart for that. I know the value for price calculation.
I ve never bought a new mac! Always craigslist or ebay. Because I pay much less for the same!
People dont settle for average. People settle for best for their money, limited by their intellectual state, knowledge, or their will to research prices and performances of products. This can be proven with nearly every social theory. Take Darwin under the scope, the best one; while your statement can be disproved. "People always set for average" means nothing! People always set for best for less. That's like a life rule, that is the core of every business: invest less, have higher returns, it is a rule for everything in biology, business, physics.

And I am not talking about top of the line. I am talking about that 2010 low and middle end models perform worse than 2007 models. That's a fact!!!


By the way, if you speak about my post, then please also mention other things like processor.

Apple markets macbooks pro as fastest laptop that there is ( not now of course)

if you need a netbook, get an asus eee, what I want is best performance for money while I am not home.

and please, dont take this personal, just run the facts.

thank you 8>
 
sorry, how weak your arguments! 9400 does not even have own memory.
and how about people who make games on MBP? And want to launch it and test it? I design on my mac, I work with 3Dmax, After effects.

Just to clear one thing up, speed in AE is pretty much entirely dependent upon processor speed, RAM, and HD speed. It's useless to render through Open GL unless you want your stuff to render funny—perhaps it could work for animatics. Really, it's not even worth it for previewing either. I just use adaptive res.

3DSmax on the other hand...now that'll use your GPU.

What is an "MMP"? Magic Mouse Pro? I want one too. One that doesn't suck like the current magic mouse.

I don't think the Magic Mouse sucks but your mileage may vary.
 
sorry, how weak your arguments! 9400 does not even have own memory.
and how about people who make games on MBP? And want to launch it and test it? I design on my mac, I work with 3Dmax, After effects.

If you want to launch the games you design, you maybe should get the 15" anyway? So you can test them at higher resolutions anyway?

And better graphics does not mean less battery life, when it is not working. If you have a game running, of course, but for usuall stuff, barely any difference, if any at all.

Yes it does make a difference, idle TDP is higher for more powerful graphics cards.

And, I never settle for high end, I am too smart for that. I know the value for price calculation.
I ve never bought a new mac! Always craigslist or ebay. Because I pay much less for the same!
People dont settle for average. People settle for best for their money, limited by their intellectual state, knowledge, or their will to research prices and performances of products. This can be proven with nearly every social theory. Take Darwin under the scope, the best one; while your statement can be disproved. "People always set for average" means nothing! People always set for best for less. That's like a life rule, that is the core of every business: invest less, have higher returns, it is a rule for everything in biology, business, physics.

Uhm, I do not see many ppl spending a few hundred on aftermarket SSDs or such, neither are they choosing the best specs possible on their computers (either PC or Mac). They are not using the best specifications, they are mostly using average stuff.

And I am not talking about top of the line. I am talking about that 2010 low and middle end models perform worse than 2007 models. That's a fact!!!

Actually they don't, I had the plasticbook 13" from 2007 back then, my current 13" MBP kicks it's ass ;).


By the way, if you speak about my post, then please also mention other things like processor.

Apple markets macbooks pro as fastest laptop that there is ( not now of course)

if you need a netbook, get an asus eee, what I want is best performance for money while I am not home.

and please, dont take this personal, just run the facts.

thank you 8>

Uhm, what are you saying? Apple is marketing the MBPs as the fastest computer there is, but they aren't doing it? You're argumenting with yourself?

Also you stated no facts, mostly just personal opinions. Go read up on what the word fact means.
 
Uhm, I do not see many ppl spending a few hundred on aftermarket SSDs or such, neither are they choosing the best specs possible on their computers (either PC or Mac). They are not using the best specifications, they are mostly using average stuff.

I intend to get the SSD option. I need the speed not the space! :D
 
Solid point. Between now and the "60 day shipping date", Apple will want to pre-sell the heck out of the iPad. While I would not rule out a silent release between now and that time frame, it certainly would be in Apple's best interest to wait until after the device ships. If you listened to the event today, Apple truly believes that they are positioning this device as a new option - or competition in some ways - to a laptop. They'll want to show dazzling numbers to support this so the media outlets will report hundreds of thousands of these things being pre-ordered. Even though the MBP refresh is not intended to detract from this audience, it could certainly dilute the interest in the MBP refresh. My bet is sometime in early April.

April? You really think Apple is going to wait until April to update the MBP line? They would be the worst business decision ever made by Apple. Think of how much market share and business they would lose. If they don't update by end of February then they are in big trouble. Even the general public would start to notice that everyone else has the Arrandale chips but Apple is still selling premium priced laptops with Core 2 Duos. That is just plain idiotic.

Sorry for resurrecting a dead end thread, but I recalled this awesome back and forth about the "demise" of Apple if they didn't release a MBP update. In fact, "Apple being in big trouble" and the general public revolting and buring C2D processors in protests. Also plagues and locusts and flooding if no MBP update by April....

I guess Apple only has ~ 3 hours to save the world from total chaos!!!

:rolleyes:
 
Why would people feel burned? New technology comes out everyday. If you constantly wait for new technology to be released, you will miss out on the technology that is available today. If you keep on chasing new techlology and newet trends, you will feel burned from credit card bills.

exactly...i mean i can understand having that feeling like "**** i wish i waited and got the most up to date macbook" but in the end it doesnt really matter. my macbook has plenty of computing power for me...

anyone who gets caught up in the chase is just dumb and wants to look cool/feel cool for having the best of the best. but in the end there the ones losing out and looking retarded.
 
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