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Who is disappointed about no MMP refresh

PCs is always a little bit ahead (acutally, a far lot) copared to Macs. Keep in mind that there are more people developing accessories for PC whereas macs are pretty much restricted to those people in San Fan.

For those who want to own the newest and the best (Blue ray, HDMI...etc), get a PC. Macs will always be falling behind. Just look at the current fleet of macs and their competitors.
 
Was also hoping for i5's on the MBP's. Even as a "one more thing".

Just the GPU situation that's screwing things up at the moment I guess.
 
All Taken said:
I couldn't agree more, the only other possibility is that Apple release via a silent update before the iPad release.

Does anyone know what Apple history shows in regards to new products taking pride of place on the apple webpage front?

If a new macbook pro line were to be released before the iPad would the Macbook Pro replace the iPads big advertisement? Just as the iPad replaced the new iMac before it.
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i agree, apple aren't going to relase a new MBP until the iPad has starting selling well, they wont replace the iPad advert in their website anytime soon :(
 
1BadMac said:
I wish I had all the money back over the years that I spent chasing the next "refresh" all in the hopes of more impressive benchmark #'s. I could afford to have Woz personally build me a quad MBP and delivery it in golden chest.</joking>
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It is not about chasing the next refresh and having the fastest benchmarks. The fact that you are getting no discount or maybe $100 off nearly year old hardware makes no sense.

I have been coming to these forums for the last couple months learning as much as I possibly can about my first mac purchase. If you were going to buy a car and the 2011 models were coming out in a few weeks you would expect getting the outgoing model at a significant discount.
 
WelshDog said:
When I buy a new MBP I don't want last years leftovers.
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They are not left overs, they are computers and current offerings from a marketing / product line standpoint. In your case you should wait, but why be infantile and call a great piece of hardware a left over?

It's really not necessary, is it now...
 
Macshroomer said:
This really is all about timing for everyone involved except for the iBunny dude who's entire life revolves around gadgets and their progression. I don't fault a single person who is waiting for doing so, for if you really needed to alter your hardware, which most on here don't as they are enthusiasts rather than pro users, then you would do what you need to do now, not later.

What I don't get though is the opposition to opinions. You have this guy who wants his first Mac, but he wants the latest and greatest, that seems low priority to me, so why not give him the opinion that what is available now might do him just fine?

And the other thing I don't get is the whole "Outdated" thing, if having the latest spec is your top priority, then you are never going to understand the pro user who uses these computers as tools, not trophies for bragging rights.

For the entirety of this year, my girlfriend and I are on the road doing a high profile documentary. Apple is actually listed as a sponsor, so we got a discount on buying not one, but two 13" MBP's late last year. We sold the 24" iMac and my 15" 2.8 so that we can travel lighter and easier. These were not downgrades to lesser technology but upgrades that fit our needs directly and they are tax write offs in full. I went on to install a Intel 160 SSD and 320 7200 RPM HDD in an Optibay enclosure, max mine out at 8 GB of ram. The overall performance of this computer is actually faster than my BTO 15" I had, because I use it more, it fits more places and when I do not need to use the HDD, I unmount it and get 6+ hours of battery life out of the SSD only option.

Some of us pro users take issues with being told that we paid too much for old technology. And back when I did this "Upgrade" I was told that the MBP would not be upgraded in time for when were out of the country in a few weeks. If the new versions are markedly better in specs that fit our specific needs, then I can still upgrade, there is no law against that. It's just that when living the life that we do takes precedence over what gadget to get next, that is where some peoples priorities are going to lie.

So we are not wasting your time by giving our opinions that we are satisfied with current offerings, we are giving valuable insight to those who might otherwise be overly swayed by tech-head centric value systems that are narrow minded and only offer one of many different opinions to those who are looking for advice.

If you can wait, I would say that is the wisest thing to do, but if you can't wait, then don't wait and don't listen to people here who say you are wasting money on outdated technology.

Some of you should respect that we are all different...this is Apple we are talking about here, "Think Different" for once.
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I don't disagree with anything that you are saying here. You can tell who the immature posters are bragging about their latest purchase when it has nothing to do with the thread. There is no feedback other than what they bought. Therefore, IMO they are seeking justification from the group on their purchase when the thread is discussing disappointment about no updates yesterday. The input is valid and it applies just simply not in this thread.

I use my Mac for my livelihood as well so I get what being a pro user is all about. My opinion has always been the same as yours in that buy now if you need it or wait if you can. People have different agendas here and that is what I am calling out. I think the frustration about the tech lies more with Apple and their refusal to keep ahead of the competitors like they have done with the iPhone, iPod, and iPad. Their computer market share would grow leaps and bounds if they chose to put the same amount of effort into their PC hardware as they do with their other lines. So when I say why pay for old tech that is directed at Apple.

Anyway, your points are all valid and it sounds like you have some pretty nasty Macs.
 
There's no way in hell I would get a Macbook at those prices. I bought mine for $1900 back in Fall 2008 and it's holding strong. I bet I can sell it on eBay for a pretty penny and pick up a Dell with an i7 CPU and better hardware for $999. If fact, if the MBP's are refreshed soon to included the new Intel CPU's, I have no problem doing that since I'm not heavily invested in software. Most of mine is open source anyway except for iLife '09, in which Picasa can easily take its place.
 
Macshroomer said:
They are not left overs, they are computers and current offerings from a marketing / product line standpoint. In your case you should wait, but why be infantile and call a great piece of hardware a left over?

It's really not necessary, is it now...
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Infantile, really? And so getting all puffed up and insulting someone on a forum who made a comment you disagree with is not infantile?

BTW are you British? You have that annoying Brit habit of ending a sentence with a vaguely insulting question.
 
phrint said:
I think the frustration about the tech lies more with Apple and their refusal to keep ahead of the competitors like they have done with the iPhone, iPod, and iPad. Their computer market share would grow leaps and bounds if they chose to put the same amount of effort into their PC hardware as they do with their other lines. So when I say why pay for old tech that is directed at Apple.
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OK, now this makes more sense to me and I can understand where you are coming from. And I am going to claim dumb here, I did not know how behind or ahead Apple is in terms of hardware.

I do know that it would take me quite a bit of time to get used to windows on a faster machine, so for me personally, even if the hardware is faster and I could install OSX on it, I think in the long run, I am just more productive waiting it out, Mac style.
 
WelshDog said:
Infantile, really? And so getting all puffed up and insulting someone on a forum who made a comment you disagree with is not infantile?

BTW are you British? You have that annoying Brit habit of ending a sentence with a vaguely insulting question.
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No, not a brit, just think it is un-productively provocative to call good hardware anything but what it is.
 
I agree with one of the other guys comments above.. it's so frustrating how much effort apple dumps into ipads, iphones, apps, magic mice, glossiness, time machines, 3g, apple tv (i don't even remember what this does), iwork, ilife, iphoto with places, people and things and other stuff I don't use or need. They should focus more attention on the notebooks, desktops and keep us excited about the computers they make.. I lose my interest in the company with every day that goes by. My biggest problem with apple right now is that I can't buy a 13" matte screen notebook.. I wouldn't complain about anything else if I could have that again like they made them back in the day (which was only 4 years ago or something).. well.. maybe have an express card slot back and that's about all I could ask for.

I just wanted to add my thoughts on the ipad.. it reminds me of the macbook wheel from the onion.. which I thought was a funny joke but now it's much more reality than a joke.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BnLbv6QYcA
 
I, likewise, am very disappointed. I've been "waiting" since around September or October. I wasn't really surprised there was no update yesterday, but I was really hoping there would be.

I've never owned a Mac myself, and I'm hoping to get a MBP when they are updated. My current laptop is 3.5 years old, but was practically obsolete even when I got it. And my 2.5 year old desktop PC is showing it's age, believe it or not.

I'm not in dire need of a new computer, so I wont be buying a current MBP. I dont use my laptop, simply because it's so horrible, so I'm certainly in the market for a laptop. Once they update, I'll be getting one.

I'm hoping for a silent update ASAP.
 
shambo said:
You must be feeling a right silly billy for waiting when you could have invested in a great bad boy months ago like myself. :D
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shambo strikes again. :p

I will wait however long it takes to get the next rev. 13" MBP. I'm in no hurry, my Rev A. MacBook is still doing the job.
 
All these people disappointed because of a vague notion that they will be releasing a MBP update.

There was no confirmation, just a hunch, yet people are whining like they didn't get the right toy for xmas.
 
dead goon said:
All these people disappointed because of a vague notion that they will be releasing a MBP update.

There was no confirmation, just a hunch, yet people are whining like they didn't get the right toy for xmas.
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Please tell me what value you have added by making this comment.
 
I am dissappoint.

I've still got my five year old Dell desktop that showing its age. I wish that Apple would hurry up and drop those i5's in the Macbooks so that I can get one.

I've been checking out Sony VAIOs and they have the CW series starting at $809 for core i3 and about $1000 for the 2.4G ghz core i5. I don't know much about VAIOs but that seems like a cool deal.

I really want to make the switch to OSX so I'm just going to wait. Hopefully my Dell tank will hold up until whenever Apple launches the new Macbooks. Hurry up and take my money already, Apple!
 
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Since everyone is busy bickering at each other about what they are currently doing, I decided to bring some interesting patterns into the mix. Now I understand that Apple will SOMETIMES follow an update pattern, so I looked into the buyers guide here on macrumors. Notice, starting from the bottom bolded date, to the top, that there was an update in February? This update was precisely on 2/26/2007, when the Penryn chips were introduced. I'm just going with the pattern here and gonna say late February.
 
Markov said:
6/2009
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Since everyone is busy bickering at each other about what they are currently doing, I decided to bring some interesting patterns into the mix. Now I understand that Apple will SOMETIMES follow an update pattern, so I looked into the buyers guide here on macrumors. Notice, starting from the bottom bolded date, to the top, that there was an update in February? This update was precisely on 2/26/2007, when the Penryn chips were introduced. I'm just going with the pattern here and gonna say late February.
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i really hope so since i really don't know how much longer i can wait. :(
 
raptor87 said:
It is not about chasing the next refresh and having the fastest benchmarks. The fact that you are getting no discount or maybe $100 off nearly year old hardware makes no sense.

I have been coming to these forums for the last couple months learning as much as I possibly can about my first mac purchase. If you were going to buy a car and the 2011 models were coming out in a few weeks you would expect getting the outgoing model at a significant discount.
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From my experience, Apple does not "drop" prices like you are hoping they might. The $1,199 MBP for instance, will never - regardless of what the hardware in it may be - be reduced in price to 799, 899, etc... It's a lot about the Apple "image" - which you may not agree with - but it's what they do. They'd rather discontinue a product line than market it as second rate / discounted hardware. And quite frankly, people keep buying them @ the original price, so there isn't exactly incentive for them to drastically lower the price. Sure, they could push more units, but at the expense of margin. Apple isn't about taking over the PC market, they are about perception as the product others aspire to be like. Sounds kind of corny - but it is what it is. If you hold your breath waiting for Apple to discount "old hardware" - you'll pass out.

Your car analogy on the surface makes sense when you see all these blow out deals every model year, but laptops and other PC's are not valued in the same manner and have a totally different system for depreciation. And think about high end cars or cars that maybe aren't high end but are in high demand. Like it or not, the Corvette is somewhat similar. Dealers rarely, if ever, drop the price of an about to be year old Vette just because they want to clear way for new inventory. In fact, it's one of the only American cars to hold it's value year to year (although in recent years that has slipped a little). Chevy would never think to drop $10k off a zero mileage Vette just because the window sticker says its a year old. What message would that send to other Vette owners - or the guy that just bought his a month earlier? Of course, with the American car market in shambles, this is a poor analogy for me to make.

Ok, now I'm rambling on. Point being, buy whatever you want. You can't put a price tag on the enjoyment you'll lose out on while waiting and hoping for the next best thing. And keep in mind, whatever you buy at the next refresh will be on the way to obsolescence as soon as Intel updates their processor architecture roadmap, which it should be very soon. There will be another faster, smarter, badder chip later this summer or fall, it's not as if Intel will suddenly stop and say they have reached their pinnacle.
 
raptor87 said:
It is not about chasing the next refresh and having the fastest benchmarks. The fact that you are getting no discount or maybe $100 off nearly year old hardware makes no sense.

I have been coming to these forums for the last couple months learning as much as I possibly can about my first mac purchase. If you were going to buy a car and the 2011 models were coming out in a few weeks you would expect getting the outgoing model at a significant discount.
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Apple historically, at least from from what I've seen over the last few years, does not "drop" prices like you are hoping they might. The $1,199 MBP for instance, will never - regardless of what the hardware in it may be - be reduced in price to 799, 899, etc... It's a lot about the Apple "image" - which you may not agree with - but it's what they do. They'd rather discontinue a product line than market it as second rate / discounted hardware. And quite frankly, people keep buying them @ the original price, so their isn't exactly incentive for them to drastically lower the price. Sure, they could push more units, but at the expense of their margin. Apple isn't about taking over the PC market, they are about perception as the product others aspire to be like. Sounds kind of corny - but it is what it is. If you hold your breath waiting for Apple to discount "old hardware" - you'll pass out.

Your car analogy on the surface makes sense, but laptops and other PC's are not valued in the same manner. And think about high end cars or cars that maybe aren't high end but are in high demand. Like it or not, the Corvette brand is somewhat similar. Dealers rarely, if ever, drop the price of an about to be year old Vette just because they want to clear way for new inventory. In fact, it's one of the only American cars to hold it's value year to year (although in recent years that has slipped a little). Chevy would never think to drop $10k off a zero mileage Vette just because the window sticker says its a year old. What message would that send to other Vette owners - or the guy that just bought his a month earlier? Of course, with the American car market in shambles, this is a poor analogy for me to make.

Ok, now I'm rambling on. Point being, buy whatever you want. You can't put a price tag on the enjoyment you'll lose out on while waiting and hoping for the next best thing. And keep in mind, whatever you buy at the next refresh will be on the way to obsolescence as soon as Intel updates their processor architecture roadmap, which it should be very soon. There will be another faster, smarter, badder chip later this summer or fall, it's not as if Intel will suddenly stop and say they have reached their pinnacle.
 
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