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Who is going to wait for 2nd gen iMac 27" Retina?
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Duh! No kidding can be said both ways. Then go compare similar non retina iMac if you are going to call the iMac retina over priced laptop. Don't call it over price when you can't give me an example to support your argument. The differentiator that makes Apple product versus the rest is build quality, os x, resale value. I used to be PC computers but resale value and plastic casing (build quality) were horrible. Sure specs might of been better but the OS wasn't as seamless and ultimately slower when compared to OS X.
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A monitor that can display 5k does not maketh a computer that is worth $3000 particularly when its a glorified laptop with soldered parts on board.
If you're going to wait...
... I would rather wait for Skylake, than Broadwell.
There's indications that just because Broadwell was delayed, Intel is not delaying Skylake. Broadwell just won't be out for as long.
But by the time any Broadwell iMac refresh happens, if at all, perhaps Q2, there should be good info as to when Skylake will debut.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8510/idf-2014-intel-demonstrates-skylake-due-h22015
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2683392/pc-confusion-to-linger-on-intels-quick-jump-to-skylake.html
Broadwell will offer energy savings, which is great for mobiles, but who cares on a desktop? There won't be much performance boost.
So, what's so special about Skylake?
Displayport 1.3 will come with Thunderbolt 3. If you wanted to add 4K or 5K display to your iMac at some point(!). It also gets HDMI 2.0, for your 4K TV.
http://www.extremetech.com/computin...-and-100w-power-delivery-for-single-cable-pcs
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... I would rather wait for Skylake, than Broadwell.
There's indications that just because Broadwell was delayed, Intel is not delaying Skylake. Broadwell just won't be out for as long.
But by the time any Broadwell iMac refresh happens, if at all, perhaps Q2, there should be good info as to when Skylake will debut.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8510/idf-2014-intel-demonstrates-skylake-due-h22015
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2683392/pc-confusion-to-linger-on-intels-quick-jump-to-skylake.html
Broadwell will offer energy savings, which is great for mobiles, but who cares on a desktop? There won't be much performance boost.
So, what's so special about Skylake?
Displayport 1.3 will come with Thunderbolt 3. If you wanted to add 4K or 5K display to your iMac at some point(!). It also gets HDMI 2.0, for your 4K TV.
http://www.extremetech.com/computin...-and-100w-power-delivery-for-single-cable-pcs
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The late 2009 27" is what finally persuaded me to buy a Mac. You couldn't get that screen anywhere for meaningfully less than the cost of the machine. (Pretty much just like today.)
Any year on year improvement is going to be marginal, and more than offset by the benefit of a great screen for an extra year.
Sure, it'd be kind of nice to be able to use it in Target Display Mode, but the reality is that I've used that feature on mine exactly *zero* times. By the time I'd want to use TDM, I'll want the new monitor anyway.
Net-net, if you can't guess, I'm not waiting. If there is an *amazing* revision, I'll sell it or demote it (the current 27" will be our bedroom TV). ~$3k every now and then for a machine that I use more than pretty much anything else? Why not?
Any year on year improvement is going to be marginal, and more than offset by the benefit of a great screen for an extra year.
Sure, it'd be kind of nice to be able to use it in Target Display Mode, but the reality is that I've used that feature on mine exactly *zero* times. By the time I'd want to use TDM, I'll want the new monitor anyway.
Net-net, if you can't guess, I'm not waiting. If there is an *amazing* revision, I'll sell it or demote it (the current 27" will be our bedroom TV). ~$3k every now and then for a machine that I use more than pretty much anything else? Why not?
Ditto. I don't need a second display running and this 5K will tide me over until the 10K ones are out.
I like how you support your argument with insults. You must be like 11 years old or a man child.
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Ahh yes it does. It is called arithmetic. Factor a MSRP of a DELL 5k. However what I stated is a fact and well you don't have a clue.
What he said.... Broadwell is far more significant for the laptops and the battery saving power. I have a 2009 MP which is creaking badly. Would've gone for the MP 2013 until the reviews came out which made it clear that you really had to buy the 6 core to make it worth it - otherwise a fully maxed out iMac was as fast as a quad core. Looking forward to receiving mine on Monday....
I looked into building a hackintosh and you can build one and buy a 4k monitor but you'll still hit around $3,000. I'd say with the exception of maybe a weak gfx card, that the new iMac is decently priced.
The audience for this mac isn't the average end user. Keep that in mind.
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Youtube have a very tinty selection of 4K see here
Both netflix and amazon have/in process of releasing 4K content
The main issue is netflix has limited this to a select few samsung 4k tvs
4K bluray players will be summer 2015, and external blurays shortly afterwards. Would be nice to connect one of these to the new imac, but i think it will require TB 1.3/ HDMI 2+
I think next year will be the mainstream relesae of 4k
Both netflix and amazon have/in process of releasing 4K content
The main issue is netflix has limited this to a select few samsung 4k tvs
4K bluray players will be summer 2015, and external blurays shortly afterwards. Would be nice to connect one of these to the new imac, but i think it will require TB 1.3/ HDMI 2+
I think next year will be the mainstream relesae of 4k
5K is new, and therefore expensive. I dont mind waiting a good while before I get one. Im just waiting for prices to go down.
You mean like how prices have declined on the regular 27" iMac?
The way I would configure one (i7/512GB/780M), the non-Retina costs $2,849. Which is within a hundred bucks of what I paid in 2009 for my optioned up 27". A similar configured Retina iMac is $3,299. I'd suggest that you aren't likely to see the Retina iMac drop much until Apple discontinues the regular 27" machine. How many years are you willing to wait to save $450?
If anything, the best value is today when the 5K iMac is so far ahead of its time. The regular 27" is $2-3k for a generally middling but basically nice machine with no truly outstanding features beyond aesthetics (significant) and OS X (even more important).
No, like how prices declined on the rMBPs. Im willing to wait as long as it takes. I want a 5k iMac, I dont need one. Paying that amount for something I want but dont need is ridiculous.
Yeah... Here's the thing: When you compare the Retina to non Retina MPB pricing at the introduction, what you see is that the price premium was all down to SSD. Configured equally, the non-Retina machine was *more* expensive. Today, the 15" rMBP is barely any cheaper. The decline is all in the base model 13".
So yes, if you want a Retina 21.5", you can expect one of those to be cheap eventually. But don't hold your breath waiting for the 27" to drop dramatically.
There are plenty of perfectly valid reasons to not buy it now (and "I don't want to spend the money is a 100% valid reason"), but I would not rank predicted price drops particularly high on the list.
I dont know why Im getting beat on this. If I personally dont see the value in it, I wont spend the money on it. Simple as such. Its not about predicting a price drop, its about I will not ever spend 2500 for a 5k iMac.
I will either wait for 2nd or 3rd gen iMacs, and buy a refurb or used 1st gen. So why the hell is my opinion an issue with you?
I am going to try and wait but i have a feeling that when i see this thing in store it's going to become very difficult for me to wait.
This should not be a hard decision, it's the same design, last generation CPU and questionable GPU especially when you consider how many pixels it needs to push.
What i want is a Mac Pro with 3 thunderbolt 4k/5k displays, at this point it is looking like it's going to be a long wait...
This should not be a hard decision, it's the same design, last generation CPU and questionable GPU especially when you consider how many pixels it needs to push.
What i want is a Mac Pro with 3 thunderbolt 4k/5k displays, at this point it is looking like it's going to be a long wait...
Ummm, the point of the retina imac isn't to watch TV....Youtube have a very tinty selection of 4K see here
Both netflix and amazon have/in process of releasing 4K content
The main issue is netflix has limited this to a select few samsung 4k tvs
4K bluray players will be summer 2015, and external blurays shortly afterwards. Would be nice to connect one of these to the new imac, but i think it will require TB 1.3/ HDMI 2+
I think next year will be the mainstream relesae of 4k