who is now regretting there 2016 Pro like me.

[hangkous]

jesus,

way cheaper

Not in The Netherlands. Most MacBook (r, Air, Pro) configs are actually about 50 Euro more expensive.

 

[mcpryon2]

jesus,

That came at a big hit, way cheaper better performance and specs 6 months after the pro realease.... who else is feeling it like me... mines still in the 14 days again was replaced 4 times so thinking may do it again for the new one, what do you all think?

If I had to have anything replaced four times I would probably be regretting it, too.

As for my 2016 I'm loving it. I use it for audio/video production for my job and it's been a little beast. My classic Mac Pros are mostly encoding and storage machines now.

 

[macmannate]

Not in The Netherlands. Most MacBook (r, Air, Pro) configs are actually about 50 Euro more expensive.

Yeh I won't buy my machines when home in Italy, but in Australia.

 

[hangkous]

About the terraced batteries. Says who? No one has one yet. For all we know they have the new batteries now.

According to the specs, the batteries have the same capacity in 2017 as in 2016.

 

[macmannate]

If I had to have anything replaced four times I would probably be regretting it, too.

As for my 2016 I'm loving it. I use it for audio/video production for my job and it's been a little beast. My classic Mac Pros are mostly encoding and storage machines now.

You just hit the nail on the head, haven't really got to use it almost replacements took 3 weeks so went back to my 2011.

 

[p-dog]

No regrets from me either. Technology moves on. Period. This is why I went for the 3.3ghz i7 in my 13" TB MBP

 

[vipergts2207]

All of the spec updates were minor for 15" MBP users. The CPU bump isn't much to write home about and the new Radeon Pro 500 GPU's are likely just spec bumped Radeon Pro 400 GPU's. AMD and NVidia usually do that with their GPU's. Usually it takes two number increments for a meaningful change to arrive, i.e. when the Radeon Pro 600 series launches in 2018 most likely. The people who bought 13" 2016 MBP's though may have something to be a bit jealous about though since they don't have dedicated GPU's and the Kaby Lake GPU's seem to be the most meaningful upgrade.

Edited to add: GPU is a rebadge of the Radeon Pro 400 series.

http://creators.radeon.com/radeon-pro/

 

[kfscoll]

If you can return your computer for a new one, its a no-brainer. The 2017 refresh is better in every single regard.

Better in every single regard? It's better in precisely three "regards" -- a slightly faster CPU, a slightly faster dGPU (which is n/a for many configurations), and faster SSDs. Sure, it'd be silly not to get the 2017 model if it's a no-cost upgrade, but the 2016 and 2017 MBPs are much more alike than they are different.
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...and the Kaby Lake GPU's seem to be the most meaningful upgrade.

The only difference between Skylake and Kabylake iGPUs is a 50MHz bump to the boost frequency clock (1100MHz vs 1150MHz). That's next to no increase in performance.

 

[ahostmadsen]

I ordered a 15" MBP some time ago, but it seems to have not shipped yet. I wonder if they will just ship an updated model instead?

 

[vipergts2207]

The only difference between Skylake and Kabylake iGPUs is a 50MHz bump to the boost frequency clock (1100MHz vs 1150MHz). That's next to no increase in performance.

According to the Wikipedia article at least, Kaby Lake has a newer graphics core architecture.

 

[CaptRB]

Seriously?

This update in pretty small. Not worth much thought unless you're a buyer today. Total snoozer.

Next cycle, please.



R.

 

[goobot]

This is probably one of the most minor upgrades I have ever seen. 2016 update was a good time to do it.

 

[leman]

Sure, it'd be silly not to get the 2017 model if it's a no-cost upgrade, but the 2016 and 2017 MBPs are much more alike than they are different.

What I meant that if you have the choice between late-2016 and mid-2017 for the same price, 2017 is a better computer. I should have phrased it less dramatically though. Performance differences are around 5% CPU and 10-15% GPU, but the KL models are probably a bit more energy-efficient, so that could be a bonus too.
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According to the Wikipedia article at least, Kaby Lake has a newer graphics core architecture.

AFAIK, the architectural changes mostly relate to video decoding.

 

[Mr Retina]

There is nothing to regret about a minor Kaby lake spec bump and faster SSD speeds that you'll never notice in real life usage. The 2016 SSD already screams..

 

[poorcody]

I bought the 15" 2016 Pro and I am super happy with it. The update looks minor from my perspective so I am not bothered. The fact Apple is quick to do a Mac update I find encouraging, actually...

 

[macmannate]

Yay 1 percent increase by the looks.

 

[ZombiePhysicist]

jesus,

That came at a big hit, way cheaper better performance and specs 6 months after the pro realease.... who else is feeling it like me... mines still in the 14 days again was replaced 4 times so thinking may do it again for the new one, what do you all think?

Really, it's such a minor spec bump machine, I can't imagine caring. I didn't get the 2016 because the SSD is soldered in. Now if the 2017 MBP with TBar has a removable SSD, that would change my opinion on it. But the rest is such a minor speed bump, I honestly wouldn't care. You got a great machine there man, the speed bump is on par with what you could have done with regard to build to order speed bumps when you got your 2016 machine.

I wouldn't let it bug me, but that's just me.

 

[Sterkenburg]

Not in the slightest, this is probably one of the most marginal and incremental upgrades I can remember of. The most relevant updates are coming at the software level, and 2016 owners are getting them as well.

 

[OneMike]

I'm in the market for a new laptop. When the 2016 came out it didn't seem significant to make me want to purchase. The 2017 again does not seem significant.

 

[macmannate]

Not in the slightest, this is probably one of the most marginal and incremental upgrades I can remember of. The most relevant updates are coming at the software level, and 2016 owners are getting them as well.

What's the software updates?

 

[Sterkenburg]

What's the software updates?

Official eGPU support in High Sierra and, apparently, 4K hardware decoding (I guess they will support it via GPU, since those in the 2016 models are theoretically capable of doing it).

 

[macmannate]

What I meant that if you have the choice between late-2016 and mid-2017 for the same price, 2017 is a better computer. I should have phrased it less dramatically though. Performance differences are around 5% CPU and 10-15% GPU, but the KL models are probably a bit more energy-efficient, so that could be a bonus too.
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AFAIK, the architectural changes mostly relate to video decoding.

Graphical differences between the 460 and 560 is as follows 460 1.86 tflops, 16 stream, 81gb/s

560 1.9tflops, 16 stream ,80gbs.

10 percent seems like a big ask maybe 2 percent haha.
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Official eGPU support in High Sierra and, apparently, 4K hardware decoding (I guess they will support it via GPU, since those in the 2016 models are theoretically capable of doing it).

460 and 560
Is the exact same card.

 

[Mr. Bean]

I'm a happy camper. Bought it on release late 2016, and no problem thus far.

The improvement in terms of specs regarding today's releases are marginal at best.

Notice how they devoted a bare minimum amount of time to talk about the improvement to the MBPs? Normally they'd throw in big numbers in bold fonts to drive the message home.

Today's announcement was basically: "Hey guys, we're giving you a new processor for the MBPs, some more storage, and reduced the price a little bit... Anyway, moving on, check out these new iMacs and the upcoming iMac Pro!!!!!!!! And here are the awesome numbers..."

 

[macmannate]

I'm a happy camper. Bought it on release late 2016, and no problem thus far.

The improvement in terms of specs regarding today's releases are marginal at best.

Notice how they devoted a bare minimum amount of time to talk about the improvement to the MBPs? Normally they'd throw in big numbers in bold fonts to drive the message home.

Today's announcement was basically: "Hey guys, we're giving you a new processor for the MBPs, some more storage, and reduced the price a little bit... Anyway, moving on, check out these new iMacs and the upcoming iMac Pro!!!!!!!! And here are the awesome numbers..."

The boost is all in what I do. Thats Video design and streaming and all.... Yep gonna pull the since Ive had 2.3weeks (4 Replacements)
of use since I bought it due to constant replacements to customer relations I want a new machine.

 

[Exile714]

What I meant that if you have the choice between late-2016 and mid-2017 for the same price, 2017 is a better computer. I should have phrased it less dramatically though. Performance differences are around 5% CPU and 10-15% GPU, but the KL models are probably a bit more energy-efficient, so that could be a bonus too.
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AFAIK, the architectural changes mostly relate to video decoding.

H265 native decoding. 2016's use a separate chip for that.

The horror... /S

Edit: H265 not H264... even though I knew better.