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who is now regretting there 2016 Pro like me.
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Actually, mobile Kaby was released last year.
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So? We made choice to purchase 2016 MBP knowing that it's non Skylake anyway.
If you are ranting about Apple's inability to release the most up-to-dated machine, I wholeheartedly agree with you. But then, this year's MBP is also going to be short lived and we are back to the same boat. Aren't we? and my rant will keep going on and on.
This thread is about 2016 vs 2017 comparison. hence my reply.
Wrong, not the ones appropriate for the MBP.
https://www.macrumors.com/2016/07/21/intel-begins-shipping-kaby-lake-processors/
Last paragraph.
Even if the appropriate KL had launched right before the 2016 MBP launch, Apple needs time to produce the kind of volume they sell, and MBP's would have been on backorder for even longer than they already were. I waited over a month from order to ship date for mine, and some waited even longer.
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I think you'd want to lookup that one again. The quad-core Kaby Lake was only announced in January 2017 and didn't ship in mass until end February or even early spring. The only Kaby Lake available in October 2016 were lowest-tier 15W dual-core CPUs, and I hope we all agree that we don't want them in our fancy MacBook Pros.
Why would you ever regret buying anything? It will get outdated at some point anyway
You would either never buy anything or your would be constantly upgrading if you cared that much about this sort of thing. Its like the argument people were having when they were saying "the new macbooks aren't powerful enough" even though they were more powerful than any previous generation which people had been working on for years quite happily.
The only thing I would care about with the new Kaby lake processor is the HEVC hardware decoding. Thats almost entirely pointless for me as well as I don't deal with video much.
The only thing I would care about with the new Kaby lake processor is the HEVC hardware decoding. Thats almost entirely pointless for me as well as I don't deal with video much.
Agreed, unless the OP bought the machine on June 4th, there's no need to regret the purchase. Besides the update is a spec update, nothing major.
Let me put it this way, Im currently Typing this on my trusty 2011 MBP, Due to my keyboard on my 16 once again locking up causing a reboot and it was easier picking up the draft email I was on this way.
The machine has been replaced 4 times now, each replacement taking 3 weeks goes like this,
First machine was damaged and had faulty USB-C ports that would constant disconnect and cable would slip out.
Second had metal shavings coming out the fan vent, audio did not work, touch bar did not work at times. Bottom panel looked to be fitted by goliath himself.
Third machine was a good one, the LED screen was pink on any greys or whites and very muffled picture (could see it even clear as day in a photo), The graphics card also had artifacting .
fourth, Keyboard issues and graphical glitching.
In the Months I have had this gorgeous machine I have used it for all up for 2 weeks.
Do you understand how ****** it is when you try to use machines that constantly crap out under tasks of VM creation and design and many other tasks I do for my job?
It was quite a bit less painful going back to my old 2011 machine and do it slowly rather then stability issues.
It was also getting to the point of wanting to bin the machine after dealing with inept apple (idiots the geniuses)
customer care that couldnt do the paperwork, luckily I kept all emails and serials and the paper trail, never getting calls back and when I finally got some got constantly transferred.
Like now I just got off the phone to a great Customer relations guy me and him spent 2 and half hours going through my case!... I had to Give him all the old serials and Emails due to no one did their job right and no requests recorded under correct serials, apple care not moved nor anything following apple protocol....I had to piece it all together with him with the timeline of events serials and do the job of the previous monkeys Yet again wasting my time.
There is legit a novel to my issues calls and communications with apple 60 emails in my inbox and many hours on the phone to get even the simplest things done and trouble shooting.
This is why I am regretting it, the latest replacement arrived 2 weeks before this replacement and yet I have not got to use it really. Due to it also been full of issues.
Hope this clears it up.
There's no evidence that Apple is addressing those QC issues, so getting a 2017 model over the 16 doesn't address those issues you're having.
Regretting the MBP because of your issues, and those are frustrating, especially given the price of MBP, but the 2017 model may be no different. This is why I'm hesitant to buy a MBP. Speaking personally, I've been the between the horns of the dilemma of sticking with macOS and the Apple experience which I do not want to discount. I give Apple credit for creating a cohesive environment. Or switch to Windows which I use quite a bit for work. The quality of the keyboard is a major concern for me, given experiences such as yourself.
Sadly my apple tech that comes into work has mentioned many times now how many 16's have failed... Daily he has repairs for boards and little things.. One of He's clients purchased 200, 160 of them have failed and been replaced / repaired.
Im at my wits end, if this does not get changed out for a 17 Ill keep it and sell it for a loss and buy a Lenovo or XPS Dell.
Im getting quite tired of dealing with a inept service and listening to fan bois that are like just accept it and nah regretz.
This is a serious issue, Plus the fact of a refresh so early to me shows they are trying to stop the QC and returns.
MY unofficial and informal experiences are similar as well. I've seen information out and about that similar. The 2016 seems to have some significant QC issues, which is one major reason why held off. I have no idea if the '17 model is any better
Good luck, and press your issues with Apple (politely but firmly), they're generally good at seeing the frustrating and making good.
MY unofficial and informal experiences are similar as well. I've seen information out and about that similar. The 2016 seems to have some significant QC issues, which is one major reason why held off. I have no idea if the '17 model is any better
Sad is it not
, I have a order for 50 currently and considering cancelling it for our department, My brothers work bought 10 all have been replaced at least twice.Exactly the new Relations guy is a champion and he is trying he's best so I appreciate him and happy to work with him 2 and half hours of working with him is showing this.
All those 2016 MBPs that you've taken back to the store will soon be reburbed units.
The next people who buy them will have zero issues with them.
The next people who buy them will have zero issues with them.
Haha, I do not doubt it for a second.All those 2016 MBPs that you've taken back to the store will soon be reburbed units.
The next people who buy them will have zero issues with them.
Reading through this thread is interesting to me because I have a 2016 that is completely fine. From a hardware perspective the old 2015 should have had the most issues as the components used also had QC issues. Which is how I ended up with this 2016 as a replacement to the "lemon".
Conversely Kabylake has had serious hardware failures across the board and has a tendency to flash up as far as heat levels to dangerous levels. Very well documented issue and has been why many have swapped to Ryzen or stuck with Skylake.
So by contrast THIS version should have more not less issues than the one from 2016. If mine begins to fail I'll try and drag it out until Coffeelake for that reason
Conversely Kabylake has had serious hardware failures across the board and has a tendency to flash up as far as heat levels to dangerous levels. Very well documented issue and has been why many have swapped to Ryzen or stuck with Skylake.
So by contrast THIS version should have more not less issues than the one from 2016. If mine begins to fail I'll try and drag it out until Coffeelake for that reason
Sarcastic?
I agree with you 100%. Theres no reason the 2016 or 2017 can't last 8-10 years. TB3 should be compatible with the new stuff that comes after it (keep in mind, TB1/2 to TB3 requires an adapter due to the signaling shift).But that version/2018, whenever it is released could also have the new terraced batteries and who knows how that will go. I think it'll be fine since they have experience with the MacBook but still.
Nobody (well, it seems judging from these forums) got what they expected (read: the moon) with these updates, no 32 Gb, no terraced batteries, price drop, extreme GPU upgrade. Everything was incremental as one could expect from Apple.
Sarcastic?
But that version/2018, whenever it is released could also have the new terraced batteries and who knows how that will go. I think it'll be fine since they have experience with the MacBook but still.
Quite true! Word is that Intel is having serious fab issues which is why I bought my 2016 and I'm glad I did.
http://semiaccurate.com/2016/12/28/coffee-lake-says-dire-things-intels-10nm-problems/
Just some food for thought for those on the fence and thinking of waiting...
2015 and 2016 MBPs, Unite!Sarcastic?
But that version/2018, whenever it is released could also have the new terraced batteries and who knows how that will go. I think it'll be fine since they have experience with the MacBook but still.
Nobody (well, it seems judging from these forums) got what they expected (read: the moon) with these updates, no 32 Gb, no terraced batteries, price drop, extreme GPU upgrade. Everything was incremental as one could expect from Apple.
Seriously though, a lot of users bought the 2016 model and so are many on 2015 and 2014 models that are doing just fine.
Personally I wouldn't feel bad if I were you. This isn't a big update. It was obvious this was coming as well. I was waiting for this but I'm left a bit disappointed as others have mentioned, by a lack of 32gb of ram.
You could have saved yourself the disappointment, Kaby Lake doesn't support the low-power LPDDR4 RAM necessary for more than 16gb. This has been known since January when the chipsets were announced.
People thought Apple would have just said 'screw it, kill the battery and use regular DDR4 RAM because the pros demand it,' but that's just silly.
Why would you go through exchange hell again, OP? Especially having already come down from that?
Enjoy your purchase, try to get a partial refund for it being older gear now, and count your blessings
I'm psychologically enjoying my 2016 nTB even more today, knowing it hasn't been replaced by something significantly, or for my uses, at all better than what I got.
especially with a purty screen
Enjoy your purchase, try to get a partial refund for it being older gear now, and count your blessings
I'm psychologically enjoying my 2016 nTB even more today, knowing it hasn't been replaced by something significantly, or for my uses, at all better than what I got.
especially with a purty screen
Is it just me or does this seem super fake? This user has owned his Macbook for LESS than 14 days but has replaced it four times??? Unless you bought it stock that not physically possible, and moreover, its extremely unlikely in the first place; you really had 4 back to back failures in under 2 weeks...?
Apparently in Australia the 14 day return period starts over again if the computer needs replaced. The OP's claims of huge numbers of failures seems greatly exaggerated though. His tech says a client had 160/200 fail (80% failure rate)? His brother's business bought 10 and replaced all of them twice or more for a failure rate of at least 20/20 (100%)? Pure BS. If these things were failing at this rate, this forum would know for sure. Only way you'd get those kind of failure rates would be if they were being used in a sauna or someone's being extremely loose with the word 'failure'.
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