Who's more likely to dominate the future of technology, Apple or Google?

[Rhonen]

You clearly don't understand what fragmentation means.

All the iPhones use Arm architecture, the A4 is still an Cortex-8 it's just a more customized and power efficient one.

Comparing the graphics chips is like comparing computers graphics cards, the software doesn't care, it may run better on one than the other, but they still use the same code.

The resolution was specifically picked to AVOID fragmentation, as the iPhone 4 shares the same aspect ration and is simply doubled in resolution it can use simple 4:1 pixel mapping to scale the older programs with minimal resources, and likewise the software can be coded to use 1:4 pixel mapping on newer programs to give them functionality on the older phones.

There's a reason practically everything in the app store will run on every iPhone.

Android sets use completely different architectures and non standard resolutions and aspect ratios.

Fragmentation is like iOS4 isn't available at all on the 2G. The 3G doesn't get wallpapers or multi-tasking. 3GS doesn't get imovie. That's fragmentation.

Since Apple won't be able to maintain its momentum when Jobs steps down, I'd say Google will dominate.

 

[insidmal]

this is unlikely to ever happen, they're saying new OS and new adapters, you would have to buy a seperate complete system to do this, and then assume developers will program for it..

it will never catch on because it will begin without a base.. same reason macs have never gotten ahead of PCs, it all comes down to software.. also the reason why iphone is above all others.. it's the software...

 

[wreckshop]

Do you really want the list of android devices? Maybe too many to remember!

So what? Does that mean that iOS doesnt have fragmentation?

 

[ComputersaysNo]

Both companies rely on how the internet evolves. As long as the internet doesn't change, both companies will introduce devices (soft-/hardware) that consume the same content in a slightly different way. It will evolve from the last bright idea and not so bright idea (Kin).

Imagine what would happen if all adult-content websites become a .xxx domain. Or that downloading torrents becomes a real crime (that the police will actively hunt you down, right now it is a free for everybody no?). If the internet changes in a way that it becomes less a free haven, thats when you will see the big outcome. Me thinks.

Ye who controls the internet, controls the wallet of the consumer.

 

[JediZenMaster]

Since Apple won't be able to maintain its momentum when Jobs steps down, I'd say Google will dominate.

That's a non sequitur because Steve will most likely stay at apple for the next 20-30 years. Also even if he did step down he would most likely still be on the Board and Apple is not just Steve jobs.

People for some reason think Apple will crash without Steve and it simply won't. Steve Didn't design the iPad,Macbook or iPhone that was Johnny Ive who did all that. Steve is a master presenter and Great CEO and the company would survive without him.

And it's always about dominating technology either. Do you honestly want google to become dominate? The company is pretty careless with peoples private information and don't get me started on the Wi-Fi Snooping they did.

 

[JediZenMaster]

So what? Does that mean that iOS doesnt have fragmentation?

Okay here is an example. The Original iPhone was supported up untill iPhone os 3.2.1 So that's roughly from 2007-2010

The HTC Dream A.K.A G1 - Is only upgradable to Donut which is 1.6.. So the Fragmentation occures because unless the phone is hacked with a Rom. Officially Google has only supported it for 2 SW updates which would be 1.5 and 1.6

While apple Supported it's original iPhone for 3 Software Versions.

Then there are various android handsets that only max out at Android 1.6 and won't upgrade past that point.

Unlike the iPhone where even though the Original isn't supported anymore it has been for at least 3 different SW Versions which is 3 Years. Versus google where handsets are not supported for as nearly as long.

 

[Rhonen]

That's a non sequitur because Steve will most likely stay at apple for the next 20-30 years. Also even if he did step down he would most likely still be on the Board and Apple is not just Steve jobs.

People for some reason think Apple will crash without Steve and it simply won't. Steve Didn't design the iPad,Macbook or iPhone that was Johnny Ive who did all that. Steve is a master presenter and Great CEO and the company would survive without him.

And it's always about dominating technology either. Do you honestly want google to become dominate? The company is pretty careless with peoples private information and don't get me started on the Wi-Fi Snooping they did.

If Jobs can stay on as CEO until he's 75, 80 years old, more power to him. But this hypothetical thread is about the future, and eventually, Jobs will have to step down.

No one said Apple will crash. Just that they will stop being dominate.

It's not that I WANT Google to dominate. It's that I THINK Google will dominate.

 

[samcraig]

The company is pretty careless with peoples private information and don't get me started on the Wi-Fi Snooping they did.

I think you should do more research or at least pretend to not be so biased. No offense. But even Apple has had plenty of issues with private information being used/leaked/etc. And you should read more about the wifi "snooping." From what I gathered - it was a glitch which was resolved. It wasn't intentional and as soon as it was discovered, it was handled immediately.

Who can cay who will dominate. And who will be the arbiter if one does? It's entirely possible that neither with or both will. Which will dominate - chocolate or vanilla?!

 

[Tarzanman]

The answer is obvious. It is Google.

Apple is one company who has built their empire out of closing their hardware ecosystem down and heavily regulating access to their software ecosystem.

This is precisely why a company like Google has been able to swoop in and flourish in a market that a (honestly) stubborn company like Apple had been the leader in.

Apple will be around for a long time, but as long as their hardware is more expensive and their software/API/interface remains under rigid control, entities with a HUGE presence like google will be able to exploit the advantage of openness.

Really now. Name aspects of your life that Google hasn't reached into yet. That list is getting smaller and smaller everyday.

 

[sciwizam]

I think you should do more research or at least pretend to not be so biased. No offense. But even Apple has had plenty of issues with private information being used/leaked/etc. And you should read more about the wifi "snooping." From what I gathered - it was a glitch which was resolved. It wasn't intentional and as soon as it was discovered, it was handled immediately.

Who can cay who will dominate. And who will be the arbiter if one does? It's entirely possible that neither with or both will. Which will dominate - chocolate or vanilla?!

Also it wasn't like they cracked the wifi passwords. These were all open unsecured wireless networks, so spare me the outrage about someone snooping on your unsecured network.

 

[JediZenMaster]

If Jobs can stay on as CEO until he's 75, 80 years old, more power to him. But this hypothetical thread is about the future, and eventually, Jobs will have to step down.

No one said Apple will crash. Just that they will stop being dominate.

It's not that I WANT Google to dominate. It's that I THINK Google will dominate.

And why Exactly will he have to step down? Don't say because of age because i can name at least 10 CEO's who are in their 70's. Sumner Redstone,Warren Buffett,Rupert Murdoch and others.

Also since Microsoft doesn't have bill gates in a huge presence have they stopped being Dominate? No they haven't so why would apple?

 

[Rhonen]

And why Exactly will he have to step down? Don't say because of age because i can name at least 10 CEO's who are in their 70's. Sumner Redstone,Warren Buffett,Rupert Murdoch and others.

Also since Microsoft doesn't have bill gates in a huge presence have they stopped being Dominate? No they haven't so why would apple?

Last time I checked Steve Jobs wasn’t immortal, despite the number of people who adore him. Eventually, Jobs will step down, it’s just a matter of time.

These forums were celebrating Apple’s market cap dethroning of MS. MS just massively failed with the Kin, and no one cared. MS is no longer dominate, they haven’t been for years.

 

[JediZenMaster]

Last time I checked Steve Jobs wasn’t immortal, despite the number of people who adore him. Eventually, Jobs will step down, it’s just a matter of time.

These forums were celebrating Apple’s market cap dethroning of MS. MS just massively failed with the Kin, and no one cared. MS is no longer dominate, they haven’t been for years.

I didn't say he was immortal but there are lots of CEO's in their 70s and 80's. And while MS doesn't have the market cap it once did. It's still very much dominant in OS market share and especially the enterprise Sector.

 

[samcraig]

Last time I checked Steve Jobs wasn’t immortal, despite the number of people who adore him. Eventually, Jobs will step down, it’s just a matter of time.

But three days later he'll rise again and be even more powerful, no?

I just hope he doesn't see his shadow or there will be 3 more months without an update

 

[Rhonen]

But three days later he'll rise again and be even more powerful, no?

I just hope he doesn't see his shadow or there will be 3 more months without an update

iJobs will be Apple's greatest innovation, ever - a virtual CEO clone, Apple will rule, forever!

 

[samcraig]

iJobs will be Apple's greatest innovation, ever - a virtual CEO clone, Apple will rule, forever!

I wonder what kind of RECEPTION his clone will get when he presents himself har har har.

 

[Rhonen]

I didn't say he was immortal but there are lots of CEO's in their 70s and 80's. And while MS doesn't have the market cap it once did. It's still very much dominant in OS market share and especially the enterprise Sector.

What happens after their 70's, 80's? It's just a matter of time.

Desktop OS is not the future of technology. That is why MS is so far behind.

 

[Rhonen]

I wonder what kind of RECEPTION his clone will get when he presents himself har har har.

iJobs ALWAYS gets full bars because he knows how to hold himself!

 

[JediZenMaster]

What happens after their 70's, 80's? It's just a matter of time.

Desktop OS is not the future of technology. That is why MS is so far behind.

Why don't you ask Sumner Redstone he is 87 ,Warren buffet is 79 and Rupert Murdoch is 79 .what's happening after their 80's. Steve is like 55 Right now so he could stay at apple for another 25-30 years.

I didn't say he was immortal and your right eventually he will have to step down but that will most likely not be untill a couple of decades from now. During which Jonny Ive or Forstall could take over. Jonny Ive has the Charisma that Jobs have.

 

[Phokus]

The future of computing is cloud computing which google is so far ahead of everyone else at the moment.

 

[Apple...]

The future of computing is cloud computing which google is so far ahead of everyone else at the moment.

So far ahead? That's bull. Haven't read the news about Apple's cloud computing plans, have you? Oh, yeah, Microsoft is in the cloud as well.

 

[Rhonen]

Why don't you ask Sumner Redstone he is 87 ,Warren buffet is 79 and Rupert Murdoch is 79 .what's happening after their 80's. Steve is like 55 Right now so he could stay at apple for another 25-30 years.

I didn't say he was immortal and your right eventually he will have to step down but that will most likely not be untill a couple of decades from now. During which Jonny Ive or Forstall could take over. Jonny Ive has the Charisma that Jobs have.

Jonny Ive is a great designer, but he is no Steve Jobs. The problem with any business/corporation that relies on the vision of a single individual is that vision becomes diminished once that individual steps down. When Jobs was forced out of Apple in 1985, what happened to Apple? It happened before, it will happen again.

 

[Apple...]

The future of computing is cloud computing which google is so far ahead of everyone else at the moment.

This video makes me think, Apple.

http://vimeo.com/6712657

This what the Magic Trackpad will be. It will only be a matter of time before the iPhone and iPad will also adopt a 10/Gui type interface, at the very least to double as a Magic Trackpad for Apple TV and Macs.

Given how well Apple is doing with the iOS, the App Store, and iAds, I feel that once they implement the above interface into their MacOS, they will be the future of computer interfaces, with companies like Google copying their implementation but always staying one step behind.

What do you guys think?

Google is not the company who innovates. It's Apple. Apple leads the tech world. Period. The Mac. The iPod. The iPhone. The iPad. All revolutionary products. What company does that?

 

[Krandor]

I think google has a good shot at it, but while the free and open is all good and that they are starting to get a big problem in the fractionalization of the market. So many different types of phones with different features... when a new OS is released you have no way to know when of if your phone will get it. There are phones that came out this year and shipped with 2.1 that will get 2.2 but may not get 3.0 (which is due in Christmas). So you buy a phone and within a year you can't get a new OS for it?

Then you have the issue with so many carriers making custom skins for it.

While I like free and open, the android phone market just seems so fragmented at times and that is something Google will need to deal with at some point.

 

[Apple...]

Jonny Ive is a great designer, but he is no Steve Jobs. The problem with any business/corporation that relies on the vision of a single individual is that vision becomes diminished once that individual steps down. When Jobs was forced out of Apple in 1985, what happened to Apple? It happened before, it will happen again.

I don't think so. Steve sees this is coming, and I'm sure he has an apprentice picked out, or is currently looking for one. He won't let it slide like last time...