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Whose in....no 2 GB RAM, no 6s?
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But how do you know doubling the ram changes the user experience?
I think they will go with 2gb. They didn't have to with the 6 and 6_+ because the upgrade enticement was the bigger screens. They knew they could get away with 1gb ram. Now they have to entice more people so will upgrade the user experience. I do wonder sometimes how they use their iPhones in Cupertino because all I have to do is open Twitter click on a Mac rumours article. It opens in twitters browser. Then I choose open in safari so I can comment without Twitter having my credentials. Then I go back to Twitter and it resprings/reloads. That's a lack of ram.
It's already been determined that it doesn't. The same people complaining about tab reloading on iPads with 1GB are getting tab reloads with the iPad Air 2. Throwing out the spurious placebo effects and people who are lying just to say they were right all along, the experience has been largely the same. I for one can confirm because I have an iPad Air and an Air 2 that I can compare side by side.
It all points to something I've been saying the whole time: the issue is software. The operating system needs to be optimized better, and throwing more RAM at the problem is a non-solution and only encourages bad behavior from the developer standpoint.
Another parallel to draw here is that the glitches and lag people complain about on the iPhone 6 Plus are similar in nature to the lag and glitches people are complaining about on 2015 Retina MacBook Pros with 13" screens. Same issue... only instead of RAM (because really, can you blame it on "only" 8GB of RAM?) they're hollering that somehow the Iris Pro GPU isn't good enough, and you really need a dGPU. Even though less-capable machines with retina displays are fine. So what's the issue? Again, it's software. The optimization is lacking, and throwing more resources at the issue is a kludge and not a proper fix.
I'm not against getting 2GB on the iPhone 6S/Plus. I'd like to see it too, just to shut everyone up already. Until they start complaining that we need 4GB, or 8GB of RAM. Which is exactly what we'll get very quickly if Apple's software side of the house doesn't come through with properly optimizing iOS9. That's what I'd rather see, if I had to choose between that and more RAM.
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You have it all wrong. I experience tab and app reloading every single day, on numerous occasions, and I only ever have one tab and one app on the go. I cannot spend five minutes in one app and then go back to the browser tab without it reloading, and vice versa. This '20 tabs' thing is baloney. The 6+ cannot handle the absolute basics of multitasking and please don't say that this is how iPhones are, because the iPhone 5 could multitask. Apple skimped on RAM *bigtime* with the 6 Series.
This is not something that gets me all worked up like it does others. I don't get what people are doing with their devices to make them lag or stutter under resource constraint. I feel like people are just turning into spec hounds like so many Android users already are.
I'll take 1GB of RAM that is well optimized over 2-3 GB of RAM that isn't optimized at all like some Android devices I've used.
I'll take 1GB of RAM that is well optimized over 2-3 GB of RAM that isn't optimized at all like some Android devices I've used.
I'm not what you would call a power-user, but I haven't run up against any RAM issues on my iPhone 6. If I were planning to upgrade to a 6s, remaining at 1 GB of RAM would not be a deal breaker, although 2 GB would obviously be preferred, because why not?
Read my post above, we are doing very little indeed. It is reloading that we're talking about, not lag and stutter. That's a separate issue.
My 6+ clearly has insufficient RAM and people who claim that iOS is optimised and Android isn't are living in the past. Android devices get 3 and sometimes 4GB of RAM. It is sufficient for the job and whether they need it or not is neither here nor there, they get it. End of problem.
Utter rubbish, sorry. I had reloads on Air 1, and no reloads on Air 2.
Also no reloading apps/games on Air 2 too which is just wonderful. Jumping out of a game to read a message and then go straight back, only to find out the game has re-started is a royal PITA on 1GB devices. Doesn't happen with 2GB.
My S6 has 3GB of RAM and still suffers from lag and stuttering and reloads apps quite frequently. Pretty sure having a current flagship device isn't living in the past.
So why will Apple be putting twice as much RAM into the next iPhone if it's a software issue? And why does the Air2 reload apps and browser tabs wayyyy less readily than the Air if it's a software issue? So the fact the Air2 has twice as much RAM has nothing to do with it??
I won't. My 6 Plus is so annoying with the crashing problems. It's to the point where I can't even switch between tabs quickly to reference something (only visiting one site) without losing everything I've written in the other tab on MacRumors or wherever.
Many times I'll go to start a video and just rotating my phone will be enough to make it crash. Nothing stays in memory like my iPad Air 2 does. I can switch fluidly between several different apps on my iPad with it's 2GB of RAM and it even has a higher resolution display. On my iPhone I'm always having to wait because the thing has to reload content every time I open a new app. I reboot every couple days and it never seems to help. Sometimes apps just get stuck and won't open. Lately I'll just be on my phone and it will become unresponsive to any touches for 10-20 seconds at a time. It's really making me hate my iPhone which I never thought I would say. Part of the problem is Apple's shoddy software lately, but the other part is being under-spec'd.
TL;DR: If they don't put 2GB of RAM into the 6S then I'm selling my 6 Plus and going to buy an old iPhone 5. That thing was a champ. 32-bit processor doesn't use as much memory as the 64-bit ones do.
Many times I'll go to start a video and just rotating my phone will be enough to make it crash. Nothing stays in memory like my iPad Air 2 does. I can switch fluidly between several different apps on my iPad with it's 2GB of RAM and it even has a higher resolution display. On my iPhone I'm always having to wait because the thing has to reload content every time I open a new app. I reboot every couple days and it never seems to help. Sometimes apps just get stuck and won't open. Lately I'll just be on my phone and it will become unresponsive to any touches for 10-20 seconds at a time. It's really making me hate my iPhone which I never thought I would say. Part of the problem is Apple's shoddy software lately, but the other part is being under-spec'd.
TL;DR: If they don't put 2GB of RAM into the 6S then I'm selling my 6 Plus and going to buy an old iPhone 5. That thing was a champ. 32-bit processor doesn't use as much memory as the 64-bit ones do.
How do you define "reloads apps quite frequently"? My 6+ couldn't reload apps more readily if Apple tried their best to make it purposefully do so. It's like someone forgot to put any RAM in at all. Are you telling me that the S6 is exactly as bad as the 6+ for reloading apps? I would find that very hard to believe, although I have not played around with one. I did read that Lollipop is worse for reloading than KitKat but presumably they will fix this? I have played with a Note 4 and that was on KitKat with 3GB of RAM. I encountered zero reloads with the usage pattern I employ (and fail with) on my 6+.
I'm seriously leaning towards selling IP6+ and getting a 6s (not any sort of 6s+) or a 6c if apple offers that as well.
I try not to buy a phone every year but this may be an exception. Its just a bit too big for me. I'll probably throw this bad larry up on swappa next month (or July) and use my Lumia phone I picked up as a family phone for my kids to use when the need arises.
Also, didn't Apple sell like 70 million iPhones last quarter alone? Only a fraction of those really know about ram and such. The user experience as well as having an "Apple" product is much higher. I got the 6 plus to hold off on an iPad. When it comes time to upgrade I WILL get another iPhone, but probably just the 7, then get an iPad for easier web browsing. My eyes aren't what they used to be.
Only a few geeks care about internal specs. If it looks great and works great it will sell like hot cakes!! And even if it doesn't they will still sell millions on reputation alone. Everyone wants the latest iPhone. 
If this were "utter rubbish," then the experience of reloads would not be reproducible on any iPad Air 2. There are reports of it happening, however, not just me.
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It's not, and while it will allow future-proofing going forward, it will not and does not solve the issues with iOS8.
"Less readily" is not a solution. Adding more RAM is only a lazy half-fix.
Nobody said that you can't force the Air2 to reload. It doesn't have 30GB of RAM. It just reloads a heck of a lot less readily than the iPad Air.
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Reloading apps way less readily sounds like a fix to me. I'll take it.#
I largely agree with you that the main issue here is badly optimized software. That said, my iPad Air 2 can actually keep a few apps in its memory. On my iPhone 6 Plus, well, I'm having good luck if even one app remains in memory... but usually, it's just got to reload again.
iOS 8.3 has improved on this somewhat and is much more stable than any previous iOS 8 version. That said, my older iPhone 5 (which ran iOS 6 and iOS 7) had no trouble keeping at least four or five apps in its memory.
If the software can't be optimized much further, than yes, only an additional GB of RAM is going to fix my issues with my iPhone 6 Plus.
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Oh, and it is not too crazy to think that software can't be optimized much further. With iOS 8, much more is going on in the background which all require at least some RAM. For example, widgets in the notification center require RAM. New iOS functionality, like iCloud Photo Library, require some amount of RAM.
Right now, on my iPhone 6 Plus running iOS 8.3, about 65% of RAM is used when no apps are open. In other words, the operating system itself uses 65% of RAM.
Apple's already done some optimization here, as iOS 8.0/8.1/8.2 all used roughly 90% of all RAM for the Operating System. That said, with iOS becoming more advanced, I find it hard to believe that apps will get more access to more RAM - as more RAM will also be needed by iOS.
Really, I feel like Apple should do more about ensuring that there is a consistent multitasking experience.
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Exactly. How much longer do we have to wait for this 'software optimisation'? This reloading thing has been as issue since 64Bit devices came along with the 5S and it has only got worse with the iPhone 6 & especially the 6+. So we're at the 20 month mark and this fabled software optimisation has not only failed to appear, but things have got much worse. All those in favour of keeping 1GB of RAM should put in a special order to Tim Cook, let's see how happy they will be in 2016 with a 'premium' 1GB device. Laughable.
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Only a few geeks care about internal specs. If it looks great and works great it will sell like hot cakes!! And even if it doesn't they will still sell millions on reputation alone. Everyone wants the latest iPhone.
Don't heap us all in with the X-Factor and America's Got Talent-loving crowd of complete morons.
It's a combination of a few things. Simply saying more RAM on its own isn't really the answer, just like saying that more RAM isn't necessary and it all can and should be done through optimizations and other improvements. At this point (and in general even) a combination of both is what would be best.
Apple seem to be getting worse at coding software. iOS7 was a complete dog for most of its shelflife and iOS8 is heading the same way, so I wouldn't put much faith in them achieving the impossible and making 1GB of RAM sufficient for evermore. The iPhone 5 was the last phone that should have shipped with 1GB of RAM. The 5S was the first 64Bit device and it consequently used more RAM than the iPhone 5 before it. Therefore Apple knowingly shipped a phone that had less available RAM than the preceding model. Ooh but it had Touch ID and a better camera screamed the hordes of fans...
Then, to my utter amazement, Apple shipped the iPhone 6 with the same 1GB of RAM and an even more RAM-hungry o/s. Ooh but it has a bigger screen and Apple Pay screamed the hordes...
Unforgiveably, Apple shipped the 6+ with its HD screen and overpimped display which needs constant downscaling with the same 1GB of RAM. This is the most laughable iPhone of the lot. It's the most expensive, seemingly the flagship, and it performs like it has 512Mb of RAM (if that). Not to mention the stutter and freezing.
Still, we can always wait for that 'optimisation'. Software optimisation should be done and dusted within a few weeks of a new phone shipping. Any faults should be jumped on and fixed ASAP. Nobody should have to limp through the entire duration of their phone contract with a device that doesn't function correctly. At best that's just plain shoddy but there will always be Apple apologists who think it's fine 'n' dandy. They expect people to basically write off a phone on the understanding that the next one will be better. Gee.