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Why abandon touchid
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So if you are wearing gloves and use your face to unlock your phone how do you use it? You are wearing gloves...
Good point. The wet hands one is accurate though, i can't unlock my phone if my hands are wet but i can use it once its open.
The screen/cameras wake when you lift the phone up.
From there just look at the phone.
Scarf in the way? Pull it down let FaceID do its thing then pull the scarf back up.
Hell of a lot easier than taking off gloves to do TouchID.
And the same question works towards Touch ID. At least Face ID will at least unlock your phone.
So you have nothing to add as in realistic scenarios where Touch ID is better than Face ID?
Nothing to add. I do not want to take away from the anticipation and excitement over Face ID. I hope it is everything you expect it to be.
I am sure both have plusses and minuses. The whole reason I even posted to this thread was to convey my concern over how Face ID could be used against the user. I was shut down pretty quick with claims I did not know what I was talking about. I then posted two sources that claim the "secure enclave" may not be as secure as it is claimed to be. Crickets.
My concern is that if digital data with information identifying my facial features was obtained and used for nefarious reasons, I could be located in public and tracked using available technology and cameras. For the average Joe like me it is not a big deal, but for those involved law enforcement, or the victims of corporate espionage or criminal activity, it could be an issue. My assertion was fingerprint data would not be as easily identifiable and trackable unless a person was walking around town continuously touching finger print sensors at various locations making it easy to track them.
I am sure my concerns are minimal and a stretch at best, but enough of a concern for me to question the unequivocal commitment to face ID seen here.
Why abandon touchid?
To put simply,
Incompetence and "courage" to push inferior products as "the future" "so secure" "more convenient" "natural" "intuitive", when it's exactly the opposite.
To put simply,
Incompetence and "courage" to push inferior products as "the future" "so secure" "more convenient" "natural" "intuitive", when it's exactly the opposite.
Why did they remove MagSafe, headphone jack, and Touch ID? Simple. Apple loves money.
Courage. Yeah, right.
Courage. Yeah, right.
Toothpicks, baby. Toothpicks.
Disclaimer: This reply is intended as a humorous reply. Thank you.
facid will be fine in good lighting condition as touchid is, i'm not saying that it's faulty. i'm saying that it's more inconvenient than touchid in certain scenarios, making it worse than touchid
I dont think you know how face ID works.
FaceID doesn’t need good lighting. It works in the dark just the same.
Have you personally tested Face ID before the release of the iPhone X?
Face ID doesn't need lighting conditions. It works in the dark too it uses Infrared, clearly you're highly uninformed about what technology Face ID is using.
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Mate if you live in the UK/US like i do (UK) the government has tabs on us thats a given. They'll have your fingerprints (If you registered Touch id or ever been arrested), they'll have your DNA (if you have ever had a blood test) everything is on system we are constantly being watched anyway. So why even lose any sleep over it?
I don't care about Touch ID or Face ID. Security on a phone is not why I buy iPhones. Its iOS and the device look and feel that I like. That's why the iPhone X has me excited and why the very first gen iPhone had me pumped. iOS has always been stand out to me. I was using iPhones before Touch ID so don't care about either security measure.
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If the data was somehow unique, then its dissemination could comprise a unique new danger - if the government didn't already have your photo, it'd now have one.
The thing is, facial recognition is already very widely used. The government already has photos of most of us, thanks to drivers licenses, passports, employee and student badges, and the like. Retailers like Victoria's Secret have security cameras trained on the checkout counters, which means they could easily correlate the swipe of a credit card to the photo... And for at least the past 100 years, if the government wants your photo and doesn't have one, they'll station undercover officers outside your door with cameras.
Yet the face or fingerprints captured by an iPhone may not be those of the person who uses the device - they could be the biometrics of an accomplice or even a stranger. The person craving anonymity would simply use a passcode to access the device, and use the biometrics as a decoy.
The only biometric data that's fairly unique is the 3-D aspect of the facial map. Nearly all other facial recognition is done using 2-D imaging. However, to make effective use the 3-D data from a phone, the bad guys need to have other 3-D imaging systems against which to compare that data. That's a bit harder to come by, for now.
Yet why worry about this new risk to anonymity, when simply carrying a cell phone (even a flip phone) allows your movements to be tracked? Choosing Touch ID instead of Face ID is not going to make you safer if they're already out to get you.
I think there are still those who think Face ID is simply a camera that takes a picture of your face and matches it up with a previously stored picture of your face. I wish people would do a little research beforehand.
Disclaimer: This reply is intended as a serious reply. Thank you.
Easy, there is no reason to keep Touch ID when they have created something superior. Instead of having to touch a button to unlock your device, now it will take just a glance. Much simpler and apparently, better from a security perspective as well.
Regardless of anyone's opinions on the matter, the biggest company in the world is implementing a new technology on the most popular product ever, and there biggest seller. I don't think they will be messing this up, I have complete faith in Apple making the transition seamless, whether it be this generation or next, for the most part I don't think anyone has ever had much problem moving forward with Apple at all through the years when new things were put in place.