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Why abandon touchid
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Because you don't use Touch ID with your face. I didn't think my statement was too complicated to figure out.
I appreciate your efforts to convince me Face ID is safe. So was my personal information with Equifax until it wasn’t. I still have to ask why is Face ID being forced upon us when Touch ID worked just fine?
Because it’s almost exactly the same subsystem at a fundamental level as Touch ID, it’s more secure than Touch ID, and while it’s yet to be tested in the field, I’d put money on it being more reliable than Touch ID, all while taking about as much time (in its first generation, mind you) as Touch ID.
It’ll be the standard in all Apple products by the end of the decade.
Watch.
Unfortunately I have also read it will be an Apple standard, but that is when I will go elsewhere. How is it more secure or reliable? I have never experienced or read about someone’s finger print being misread or circumvented. If it’s all about wet fingers I could say the same about setting up Face ID clean shaven and then growing a beard.
It’s not and this person is a FUD troll.
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Have fun with Windows facial recognition that can be fooled with a photo!
FaceID adapts as someone grows a beard. Did you even watch the keynote? Or read any of the official documents people have linked?
Your fingers go from dry to wet in a second, and anyway the technology fundamentally does not work when wet. Like TouchID, as your fingerprints change subtlety or slowly (like with wear or sores) your beard takes days to grow and Face ID continually learns when changes are small.
I really don’t know why people invest so much time in imagining the worst.
Have fun with Windows facial recognition that can be fooled with a photograph, then.
You obviously haven't read or tried understanding how these technologies work.
FaceID is more secure because it's a lot more difficult to create something that can fool the TrueDepth cameras whereas TouchID has been fooled with a 3D printed model of someone's fingerprints.
FaceID is more reliable as it works when your face is wet. I have problems getting my iPhone to read my fingerprint at the gym as my workout ramps up. Also you just look at it. Even now sometimes I place my finger just off angle enough that TouchID rejects the read. That's not convenient at all.
Apple has explicitly said that FaceID learns your face and can verify your identity even if you wear glasses or grow/shave a beard off.
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Shaving a beard will require a passcode to “update” the data, but yes. It learns and can still recognize it as you as a beard grows or you put on glasses or a hat and so on.
With every post it becomes more and more clear that you have no understanding of how face ID works. to compare it to equifax and then not even know the basic stuff that was mentioned in the keynote just shows that you are just looking for a reason to not like Face ID.
Face ID is not being forced upon you by Apple at all. You have options currently still using touch ID and will still be supported for the next five years in all likeliness with the iPhone 8. And There is no correlation between the Equifax breach and Face ID. Equifax was an entirely separate issue of events.
What do you mean "then what"?
And how did I lose if the sales of iPhone X hasn't even started yet?
I am merely suggesting to people that if you want TouchID on your device then don't buy FaceID device. Vote with your wallet.
Millions others can use FaceID device, so what? I don't have to be one of the millions. Last I check, all android devices are equipped with TouchID, like I don't have an alternative.
Aye, there's the rub. Going forward there will be less and less finger print based phones and more and more facial based phones.What do you mean "then what"?
And how did I lose if the sales of iPhone X hasn't even started yet?
I am merely suggesting to people that if you want TouchID on your device then don't buy FaceID device. Vote with your wallet.
Millions others can use FaceID device, so what? I don't have to be one of the millions. Last I check, all android devices are equipped with TouchID, like I don't have an alternative.
The day after Apple announced FaceID there was a surge of interest in startups doing facial recognition research by Companies that use Android.
it's not different tech, it's an infrared + camera used to scan faces. whether it's on a phone or a laptop it's the exact same technology. the fact that you're even arguing with that is beyond comprehension.
if touchid can't go under the screen, keep it in the home button.
Except FaceID is not just IR + Camera.
It also has a flood illuminator and a dot projector.
Other face recognition offerings do not get a very detailed 3D map of your face.
So to quote you “the fact that you’re even arguing what that is beyond comprehensive”
Previous versions of infrared + cameras might as well be apples vs oranges when compared to Apple's implementation.
Finger print readers were around long ago on laptops. I might have used it once or twice before I determined it was not reliable and more of a hindrance. Even fingerprint readers on large Pyxis machines are lousy readers.
Apple made it reliable and consistent. That's the Apple difference.
The fact you had to start a thread moaning about something you've NEVER USED is beyond comprehension.
Good idea on Touch ID going in the home button on the X. Oh wait, that's right, it doesn't have a home button. Maybe Apple should have added a cool looking bottom bezel for a home button, satisfying all those who like to complain.
hmm.What do you mean "then what"?
And how did I lose if the sales of iPhone X hasn't even started yet?
I am merely suggesting to people that if you want TouchID on your device then don't buy FaceID device. Vote with your wallet.
Millions others can use FaceID device, so what? I don't have to be one of the millions. Last I check, all android devices are equipped with TouchID, like I don't have an alternative.
you said the vote was to tell Apple that faceID is not the future of smartphones.
you’re switching that up a bit now.
idk, this is probably more of a semantics thing. i’d probably say “don’t buy it if you don’t like it”... and you’d say “vote with your wallet if you don’t like it”
I mean, Touch ID is just too convenient...I don’t want to have to pick up my phone and swerve it somewhere directly in front of my face every time I want to use it. What about when I’m in bed at an angle, or have the phone on a flat surface whilst sat at a desk not in direct view - I like the fact I can unlock and use the phone from a distance.
Touch ID under the OLED screen, now that's where the real magic lies. Face ID, as great as Apple is making it out to be, still requires contact between your finger and the screen to unlock the device, it's a two step process. Touch ID is a one step process. Peope will say the first step in the process is almost instananeous, but it's still a two step process and I will talk about the instaneous part and how much of a problem that can/will/may be in a bit
According to Apple, the odds of a security breach with touch ID is 1/50,000. With Face ID it's 1/1,000,000. Thus according to Apple, Face ID is 20 times more secure. Now I would not doubt those odds, nor would I doubt the credibility of Face ID, if we all lived in a perfrct world. But therein lies the problem. Who here lives in a perfect world? Certainly not me. I live amongst criminals, pranksters and nosey people. Has Apple considered if Face ID will actually encourage certain types of people to grab your phone and before you realise it, shove it in your face? I don't think it has. The X won't recognise the snatcher's face, but it also won't recognise the snatcher's finger either. If someone wants to grab my phone and also try to grab my finger to touch the home button, good luck to him, but it will actually be 20 times easier with face ID to do. And if I decide not to have all my fingers registered for touch ID, even harder. We may very well see a craze/fad/trend develop where just for laughs, or for the sake of it, people, criminals or groups of pranksters go around looking for iphones without a home button to snatch and put the $1,000 (and more) device to the face of the owner. Imagine that happening to you just once, let alone twice or several times. You certainly wouldn't want to leave your X on the table at a restaurant if you're dining outside. I can honestly see it now, snatchgate or facegate, to go along with notchgate. But if snatchgate happens, I'm tipping notchgate will be the least of all X users' problems.
If you have seen the movie Rocky 4, you will know how cocky Drako's camp was after he killed Apollo. That's how I liken Tim Cook and his clowns at the moment. They appear very cocky about Face ID. But you will also remember the look Drako's wife gave when Rocky cut Drako and the commentator said "he's cut, he's cut". That's the look Tim Cook will give when snatchgate/facegate becomes prevalent. Again, I'm wondering if Apple gave any consideration at all to snatchers? Some said above that the risk of a snatch is a small price to pay for issues like being able to open your device with wet fingers or gloves. To those who said that, you might change your mind soon enough if people are attempting to snatch your phone at least once a week.
At the end of the day, touch ID was not broken. It was actually excellent. Yet Apple will phase it out because they could not get the real magic to work. It has lost its innovative touch (pardon the pun).
According to Apple, the odds of a security breach with touch ID is 1/50,000. With Face ID it's 1/1,000,000. Thus according to Apple, Face ID is 20 times more secure. Now I would not doubt those odds, nor would I doubt the credibility of Face ID, if we all lived in a perfrct world. But therein lies the problem. Who here lives in a perfect world? Certainly not me. I live amongst criminals, pranksters and nosey people. Has Apple considered if Face ID will actually encourage certain types of people to grab your phone and before you realise it, shove it in your face? I don't think it has. The X won't recognise the snatcher's face, but it also won't recognise the snatcher's finger either. If someone wants to grab my phone and also try to grab my finger to touch the home button, good luck to him, but it will actually be 20 times easier with face ID to do. And if I decide not to have all my fingers registered for touch ID, even harder. We may very well see a craze/fad/trend develop where just for laughs, or for the sake of it, people, criminals or groups of pranksters go around looking for iphones without a home button to snatch and put the $1,000 (and more) device to the face of the owner. Imagine that happening to you just once, let alone twice or several times. You certainly wouldn't want to leave your X on the table at a restaurant if you're dining outside. I can honestly see it now, snatchgate or facegate, to go along with notchgate. But if snatchgate happens, I'm tipping notchgate will be the least of all X users' problems.
If you have seen the movie Rocky 4, you will know how cocky Drako's camp was after he killed Apollo. That's how I liken Tim Cook and his clowns at the moment. They appear very cocky about Face ID. But you will also remember the look Drako's wife gave when Rocky cut Drako and the commentator said "he's cut, he's cut". That's the look Tim Cook will give when snatchgate/facegate becomes prevalent. Again, I'm wondering if Apple gave any consideration at all to snatchers? Some said above that the risk of a snatch is a small price to pay for issues like being able to open your device with wet fingers or gloves. To those who said that, you might change your mind soon enough if people are attempting to snatch your phone at least once a week.
At the end of the day, touch ID was not broken. It was actually excellent. Yet Apple will phase it out because they could not get the real magic to work. It has lost its innovative touch (pardon the pun).
In what way does moving the TouchID sensors under the display make it magic? It literally changes nothing about TouchID, except instead of on top the glass it’s under.
That literally brings nothing new to the table.
That’s like saying because you moved your couch location in your living room, the couch is now better and magical.
because its the last piece of information that the government wants to track your identity: your FACE
most if not all android makers will adopt a variant of TrueDepth 3D facial recognition as well guaranteed
first they wanted your writing patterns (tracking keyboard); government surveillance teams have an army of linguists
then they wanted your voice through Siri / Google Voice
next they wanted your fingerprint using TouchID
finally they want a 3D image of your face.
they have the rest of your body via TSA body scanning when taking domestic/international flights
can't fully turn off your phone neither since non-replaceable batteries are the norm now. it's how JSOC was able to track OPFOR. they would track their phones even when they were turned off.
just kidding
most if not all android makers will adopt a variant of TrueDepth 3D facial recognition as well guaranteed
first they wanted your writing patterns (tracking keyboard); government surveillance teams have an army of linguists
then they wanted your voice through Siri / Google Voice
next they wanted your fingerprint using TouchID
finally they want a 3D image of your face.
they have the rest of your body via TSA body scanning when taking domestic/international flights
can't fully turn off your phone neither since non-replaceable batteries are the norm now. it's how JSOC was able to track OPFOR. they would track their phones even when they were turned off.
just kidding