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Why abandon touchid

Deeds500 said:
Touch ID under the OLED screen, now that's where the real magic lies. Face ID, as great as Apple is making it out to be, still requires contact between your finger and the screen to unlock the device, it's a two step process. Touch ID is a one step process. Peope will say the first step in the process is almost instananeous, but it's still a two step process and I will talk about the instaneous part and how much of a problem that can/will/may be in a bit

According to Apple, the odds of a security breach with touch ID is 1/50,000. With Face ID it's 1/1,000,000. Thus according to Apple, Face ID is 20 times more secure. Now I would not doubt those odds, nor would I doubt the credibility of Face ID, if we all lived in a perfrct world. But therein lies the problem. Who here lives in a perfect world? Certainly not me. I live amongst criminals, pranksters and nosey people. Has Apple considered if Face ID will actually encourage certain types of people to grab your phone and before you realise it, shove it in your face? I don't think it has. The X won't recognise the snatcher's face, but it also won't recognise the snatcher's finger either. If someone wants to grab my phone and also try to grab my finger to touch the home button, good luck to him, but it will actually be 20 times easier with face ID to do. And if I decide not to have all my fingers registered for touch ID, even harder. We may very well see a craze/fad/trend develop where just for laughs, or for the sake of it, people, criminals or groups of pranksters go around looking for iphones without a home button to snatch and put the $1,000 (and more) device to the face of the owner. Imagine that happening to you just once, let alone twice or several times. You certainly wouldn't want to leave your X on the table at a restaurant if you're dining outside. I can honestly see it now, snatchgate or facegate, to go along with notchgate. But if snatchgate happens, I'm tipping notchgate will be the least of all X users' problems.

If you have seen the movie Rocky 4, you will know how cocky Drako's camp was after he killed Apollo. That's how I liken Tim Cook and his clowns at the moment. They appear very cocky about Face ID. But you will also remember the look Drako's wife gave when Rocky cut Drako and the commentator said "he's cut, he's cut". That's the look Tim Cook will give when snatchgate/facegate becomes prevalent. Again, I'm wondering if Apple gave any consideration at all to snatchers? Some said above that the risk of a snatch is a small price to pay for issues like being able to open your device with wet fingers or gloves. To those who said that, you might change your mind soon enough if people are attempting to snatch your phone at least once a week.

At the end of the day, touch ID was not broken. It was actually excellent. Yet Apple will phase it out because they could not get the real magic to work. It has lost its innovative touch (pardon the pun).
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What happens to that one step process when there is no button to press?
 
Deeds500 said:
Has Apple considered if Face ID will actually encourage certain types of people to grab your phone and before you realise it, shove it in your face? I don't think it has.
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and then what? what are they going to do after that?

everything (that i can think of right now at least) is still passcode/biometric locked even when you're in the phone and will require additional authentication..

to change the passcode, they'd need the passcode.. to use ApplePay, they'd need to reauthorize.. etc.

or, you tell me.. what's the major issue with a thief grabbing your phone and shoving it in your face?
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and while they're sitting around browsing your email, what are you going to be doing? (that's just a side curiosity.. answer the previous question more importantly)
 
iSayBoourns said:
FaceID adapts as someone grows a beard. Did you even watch the keynote? Or read any of the official documents people have linked?
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Nope did not bother to read up on it. After seeing the keynote fail, and my reluctance to have my face digitized I formed an uninformed opinion and choose to share it here without having any idea what I’m talking about...

“Apple's Secure Enclave, an ARM-based coprocessor used to enhance iOS security, became a bit less secure on Thursday with the publication of a firmware decryption key.”

“The key does not provide access to the Secure Enclave Processor (SEP). Rather, it offers the opportunity to decrypt and explore the otherwise encrypted firmware code that governs it, affording security researchers and other curious types a chance to learn more about how the technology works.”

“A hacker going by the handle xerub has just released what he claims to be a full decryption key for Apple's Secure Enclave Processor (SEP) firmware.”
 
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Knowimagination said:
With every post it becomes more and more clear that you have no understanding of how face ID works. to compare it to equifax and then not even know the basic stuff that was mentioned in the keynote just shows that you are just looking for a reason to not like Face ID.
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You missed my point entirely and I am not “looking” for anything except privacy. Considering the lack of privacy we already must endure, why add to it?
 
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flat five said:
and then what? what are they going to do after that?

everything (that i can think of right now at least) is still passcode/biometric locked even when you're in the phone and will require additional authentication..

to change the passcode, they'd need the passcode.. to use ApplePay, they'd need to reauthorize.. etc.

or, you tell me.. what's the major issue with a thief grabbing your phone and shoving it in your face?
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and while they're sitting around browsing your email, what are you going to be doing? (that's just a side curiosity.. answer the previous question more importantly)
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And then what, they run off, grab as much information about you as they can, throw the phone in the river and start stalking you. That's then what. Wake up and smell the coffee mate.
 
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Pelea said:
it's 100x more convenient to use, has basically no downsides compared to faceid in real world usage, it's faster and we've already been through 2 generations of making it more consistent and reliable.

faceid is worse to use during winter (when you're wearing lots of clothes covering ur face), it's harder to use in class, in the morning when you just woke up, during meetings when you need to quickly glance at ur phone for 1 second etc.

there's 0 advantages to faceid besides being "slightly more secure" which really isn't an issue at all with touchid for 99.9% of the population.

at least keep touchid on the next few standard iphones and keep the faceid crap for the x and future versions of the x
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Sigh....

There is many more scenarios where Touch ID is worse off than Face ID just like the one you pointed out. In winter everyone wheres gloves when its cold so that means Touch ID won't be usable where as Face ID will.

I never cover my face in winter so I don't know what you're on about. People wear wooly hats or a hood, which again does not affect Face ID.

If your hands are wet which for many of us this happens often Touch ID will fail but guess what Face ID will work.

Your finger can be used to unlock your phone when you're sleeping. Your face cannot be used to unlock the phone when you're sleeping as your eyes need to be looking at the phone.

When I take my phone out of my pocket Im looking directly at the screen so it would in theory unlock right away and be ready for me to swipe up an go.

I'm failing to see how Touch ID is better?
 
aohus said:
because its the last piece of information that the government wants to track your identity: your FACE
most if not all android makers will adopt a variant of TrueDepth 3D facial recognition as well guaranteed

first they wanted your writing patterns (tracking keyboard); government surveillance teams have an army of linguists

then they wanted your voice through Siri / Google Voice

next they wanted your fingerprint using TouchID

finally they want a 3D image of your face.

they have the rest of your body via TSA body scanning when taking domestic/international flights

can't fully turn off your phone neither since non-replaceable batteries are the norm now. it's how JSOC was able to track OPFOR. they would track their phones even when they were turned off.

just kidding :p
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bambooshots said:
Aye, there's the rub. Going forward there will be less and less finger print based phones and more and more facial based phones.

The day after Apple announced FaceID there was a surge of interest in startups doing facial recognition research by Companies that use Android.
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Why not keep both...
Apple always just makes changes with no input from customers
 
chabig said:
Actually, you're not thinking at all. You'd type the passcode.
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err no, if you've had a major facial injury, you may potentially be suffering from memory loss depending on how hard you were hit in the face/head.
 
Pelea said:
it's 100x more convenient to use, has basically no downsides compared to faceid in real world usage, it's faster and we've already been through 2 generations of making it more consistent and reliable.

at least keep touchid on the next few standard iphones and keep the faceid crap for the x and future versions of the x
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And where would you put it if ALL future iPhone screens were similar to the X? Yeah, touch is fast, but I don't want to have to take the phone out of the case to touch the rear of the device although I guess the future cases could have hole in the back for a touch button. Problem with that is dirt would also work it way into the back and scratch the back.
 
cableguy84 said:
err no, if you've had a major facial injury, you may potentially be suffering from memory loss depending on how hard you were hit in the face/head.
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And once your phone runs out out battery you will still need your passcode anyway. So unless after a major brain trauma your first thought is to quickly disable Touch ID I’m not sure how it’s any better.
 
iSayBoourns said:
Except FaceID is not just IR + Camera.

It also has a flood illuminator and a dot projector.

Other face recognition offerings do not get a very detailed 3D map of your face.

So to quote you “the fact that you’re even arguing what that is beyond comprehensive”
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they can have 950 sensors, it really makes no difference. it scans your face.
 
Newtons Apple said:
I am betting that if Apple could have got Touch ID to work through the OLED screen, we would not even be hearing about FaceID.

They sure tried for months and months to get touchID to work so that kinda proves that faceID was a 2nd choice.
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Yep. So, Apple went with Plan B and - of course - hyped it up as the Next Big Thing. Turned a negative into a positive - "You got a new iPhone? Does it have Face ID or that old technology?"

Brilliant marketing.
 
fmalloy said:
Yep. So, Apple went with Plan B and - of course - hyped it up as the Next Big Thing. Turned a negative into a positive - "You got a new iPhone? Does it have Face ID or that old technology?"

Brilliant marketing.
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Except touch ID was plan B not face ID.

Not like someone who wants so bad for the last minute face ID narrative to be true would ever admit that, but it is what it is.
 
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danny842003 said:
As pointed out laptops had Touch ID for years it was crap so therefore by your logic Touch ID is crap and isn’t worth saving.
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touchid wasn't crap on laptops. i've had a laptop with a fingerprint scanner and it worked great. what are you talking about? when it came out 15 years ago?
 
Pelea said:
touchid wasn't crap on laptops. i've had a laptop with a fingerprint scanner and it worked great. what are you talking about? when it came out 15 years ago?
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It makes no difference when it came out it scanned your finger.

Your own logic.
 
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