Why Apple doesn't launch bigger screen iPhone as well?

[javisan]

That's what I thought, three weeks ago I said I'll show apple, we sold three iPhone 5 and went and bought three s4, long story short the s4 are gone and ordering three 5s on Friday, cannot stand the phones or the os, only liked the larger screen but decided after listing hundreds if $ it's not worth it

Don't worry, shareholders are very powerful and they ARE sending Apple a message. The stock has been on a free fall since September 2012, from a peak of $705 to $450 today. Since the day of the announcement of 5C/5S, they are down $57. And it will go on and on until shareholders see a change in strategy.

Forget all the manipulation fanboys try to say, iPhone market share has been going down since it peaked in 2011 (http://money.cnn.com/2013/09/03/technology/mobile/apple-market-share/index.html).

Apple must change its old ways, they have shareholder pressure and pretty soon Carl Icahn will also begin pressuring for a change. Executives also have their stock options which will vest in the coming years so they have incentives to improve stock performance. Like it or not, they need to change their old stubborn ways and tactics, because the message by shareholders has been clear: Were not in 2007, 2008 and 2009. Pretty soon it'll be 2014 and 2007, 2008, 2009 strategy is not good enough anymore.

And if Apple doesn't like, they can try to take the company private (good luck with that! ) or, simply accept whatever floor the stock price will hit and continue loosing market share and therefore, income.

 

[Impuls3101]

I demand that i have a Ferrari 458 for the price of a Toyota Camry. (I'm sure the demand for a car like that would be EXTREMELY high) Doesn't mean that anyone would ever build a car like that. Just because there are SOME people that demand high end features you have to realize that 99% of companies market their product for the largest target audience. COULD Apple have made a phone with 128gb, NFC, 802.11ac, a 550ppi 5.5'' screen, etc... Sure... But, then people would complain about how much money the phone was to buy. Apple adds more tech for their target market (the world) yet keep it priced the same as the out going model. That seems like a win for the consumer to me.

The car analogy isn't that great because the ferrari 458 is over 7 times the price of a camry. It would be like saying moving to features that people want would cost $1,400 subsidized and $4,500 off contract for a 16gb iphone. Asking for a competitive sized screen with everything else in the market around 5" isn't that crazy. I would gladly shell out $100 more for that option.

 

[bunnicula]

Nor have you "demanded" a plastic phone which everyone said they would never make either.

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Or a plastic phone.

Where were you when they made the 3G and 3GS?

 

[BigHonkingDeal]

Where were you when they made the 3G and 3GS?

Did you know that the 1909 Ford Model T only came in black?

 

[bunnicula]

Did you know that the 1909 Ford Model T only came in black?

I would have been happy to have a car in 1909.

 

[BigHonkingDeal]

I would have been happy to have a car in 1909.

That's right! We had to walk 5 miles through snow....

Point being things change.

 

[BJonson]

Don't worry, shareholders are very powerful and they ARE sending Apple a message. The stock has been on a free fall since September 2012, from a peak of $705 to $450 today. Since the day of the announcement of 5C/5S, they are down $57. And it will go on and on until shareholders see a change in strategy.

Forget all the manipulation fanboys try to say, iPhone market share has been going down since it peaked in 2011 (http://money.cnn.com/2013/09/03/technology/mobile/apple-market-share/index.html).

Apple must change its old ways, they have shareholder pressure and pretty soon Carl Icahn will also begin pressuring for a change. Executives also have their stock options which will vest in the coming years so they have incentives to improve stock performance. Like it or not, they need to change their old stubborn ways and tactics, because the message by shareholders has been clear: Were not in 2007, 2008 and 2009. Pretty soon it'll be 2014 and 2007, 2008, 2009 strategy is not good enough anymore.

And if Apple doesn't like, they can try to take the company private (good luck with that! ) or, simply accept whatever floor the stock price will hit and continue loosing market share and therefore, income.

Totally agree here. What share price will the aapl stock have to hit before apple wakes up? That is the question.

 

[iAlphard]

Don't worry, shareholders are very powerful and they ARE sending Apple a message. The stock has been on a free fall since September 2012, from a peak of $705 to $450 today. Since the day of the announcement of 5C/5S, they are down $57. And it will go on and on until shareholders see a change in strategy.

Forget all the manipulation fanboys try to say, iPhone market share has been going down since it peaked in 2011 (http://money.cnn.com/2013/09/03/technology/mobile/apple-market-share/index.html).

Apple must change its old ways, they have shareholder pressure and pretty soon Carl Icahn will also begin pressuring for a change. Executives also have their stock options which will vest in the coming years so they have incentives to improve stock performance. Like it or not, they need to change their old stubborn ways and tactics, because the message by shareholders has been clear: Were not in 2007, 2008 and 2009. Pretty soon it'll be 2014 and 2007, 2008, 2009 strategy is not good enough anymore.

And if Apple doesn't like, they can try to take the company private (good luck with that! ) or, simply accept whatever floor the stock price will hit and continue loosing market share and therefore, income.

Very well said. This is the reality. 2009 was the past, Apple didn't have that many competitors that time and they released numerous products that were innovation and quality, gave people wow factors more than any other companies.
But today isn't the same, time has changed. Competitors are many and very aggressive while technology in some parts are stagnant. You can't just release 1 new product and 1 rebranding and get most of the profits, market isn't that stupid.
You have to spend more in cost and production, trying to innovate more frequent and release more products. Impress the market that you are more than just apps and legacy of the past.

 

[muratime]

No one knows for certain but there's plenty of speculation in existing threads if that's what you're after. You'd have to ask Apple but it's obviously not a priority at this point in time for whatever reason(s).


Try looking at history. Since when does Apple operate based on polling its user base?

Additionally, "obvious" really doesn't mean anything even if you type it in all caps. Quantify the demand. How many total users are demanding this? How many are defecting due to the lack of the screen size they desire? What's the financial impact? Every discussion on this matter is based on anecdotal evidence (and yes, "me and my friends" and "what I read on the internet" is still just anecdotal) which means nothing as far as whether or not such an option should be made available for a mass produced product.


I'm not sure you understand what obvious means. Plenty are asking this. It's a very common topic here.

I know obvious means like the demand for a higher screen is obvious, that's why I don't need to give numbers even, even if it is less, Apple could tell us 'there is no bigger screen demand so we don't launch' which would be my answer.

Also people is not questioning this comfortable, I got lots of reaction like, your question is illogical, go buy ipad, I am happy with 4 inch, why do you question this. You are now different, also I check last few page forum titles, I haven't seen it. Everbody is asking shall I really but 5s or which color is best? Or what cheap price..
Best common rational aswer is they are not ready, second one is they made mistake and stubborn.

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Did you know that the 1909 Ford Model T only came in black?

Do you know what year we are in now?
If we talk that, we can talk stone age as well...

 

[Lerxt]

I agree with OP. There is huge demand for larger screen phones in Asia and this has been the reason for the mass exodus to Samsung Apple seriously needs to fix this very quickly.

 

[muratime]

I see people is questioning if there is even 'enough' demand for larger screen.. Can't believe it..

There is a reason for all Samsung, HTC, Sony, Nexus and etc, placed their premium range around 5 inches.
So it means there is demand. They also have research companies, they also make customer surveys.
It might me true there is a bigger demand for 4 inch for Apple users which I doubt.
But I am not questioning why there is 4 inches in market, I am questioning why rest of the 5 inches market left for other brands.. Or like some people in this forum, why Apple treats its own customers literally go buy another brand.. Because you are such a fool to demand larger screen for phone..

I see thread going even with really wrong direction, at least first replies were admitting sooner or later larger screen will come, but Apple is just not ready this yet..
So the question is how come they are not ready yet..?? How come they left this part of market to others?
Once you lose customer, it is not easy to get back.. Lots of users now are not complaining from Android devices in the past, actually every day more happy people.. Even Apple users do not see reason to change their phones..

So what is Apple really doing?
I think a big mistake to be slow..
Also 5s comes after 5 is not a God given rule..
So can't lose 1 year for a rule you created..

Profits will go even more down.. And not sure second Steve Jobs will come into company or not..
Apple tend to mess up easliy if they lose focus I see

 

[charlesdayton]

There may be a few people who would love a bigger screen but not enough for apple to make one. apple is not stupid they do there research to find out if its profitable to make a bigger phone. The people on these forums that say they want a bigger screen may make it seem like everyone wants one but the people here are enthusiasts just like myself but we only make up a very small percenatge of iPhone owners.
I had a motorola Droid Rzr and the phone didnt fit comfortably in my hand which the iPhone does, if i need bigger Id buy a tablet

Exactly! Android has a larger market share than iphone, but many people fail to realize that the bulk of that market are not 5" high end phones. The largest part of the market is composed of low end smaller Androids. Many people just want an accessible smarphone and don't care about specs or large screens.

There is a reason both Samsung and HTC make mini versions of their phones.

 

[muratime]

Exactly! Android has a larger market share than iphone, but many people fail to realize that the bulk of that market are not 5" high end phones. The largest part of the market is composed of low end smaller Androids. Many people just want an accessible smarphone and don't care about specs or large screens.

There is a reason both Samsung and HTC make mini versions of their phones.

Why not having both sizes in market and let customers to decide which to buy? Like imacs or air mac or ipad..
Why not?
Imagine apple has only 13 inches macair in market, would be the the single best labtop. So maybe you were questioning here there is no need for 11 inches.. Because 13 is a good size for you and all Apple users are happy. Like most people you were challenging 11 inch is not needed. Not enough demand..
So this demand for big screen phone is something no need to discuss.. I am 100% sure, one day there will be bigger screen phone and 4 inch will be both in market from Iphone and its sales will be just splited similar..

 

[aneftp]

Totally agree here. What share price will the aapl stock have to hit before apple wakes up? That is the question.

Share price and stock "growth" are and can be two different scenarios.

From a financial point. A company the size of apple (once the most valuable company briefly) cannot expect to double it stock price in one year like it did from $350-700 and keep "growing". It's simply not sustainable.

No stock goes on a projection like that without a pull back. The stock has been hovering between $400-500 which is where it should have been anyways.

All the stock price means for Apple and its investor is that its no longer a "growth" company. It means its less attractive for options traders and other investors. Apple is still a very profitable company.

 

[TommyA6]

I see people is questioning if there is even 'enough' demand for larger screen.. Can't believe it..

There is a reason for all Samsung, HTC, Sony, Nexus and etc, placed their premium range around 5 inches.
So it means there is demand. They also have research companies, they also make customer surveys.
It might me true there is a bigger demand for 4 inch for Apple users which I doubt.
But I am not questioning why there is 4 inches in market, I am questioning why rest of the 5 inches market left for other brands.. Or like some people in this forum, why Apple treats its own customers literally go buy another brand.. Because you are such a fool to demand larger screen for phone..

I see thread going even with really wrong direction, at least first replies were admitting sooner or later larger screen will come, but Apple is just not ready this yet..
So the question is how come they are not ready yet..?? How come they left this part of market to others?
Once you lose customer, it is not easy to get back.. Lots of users now are not complaining from Android devices in the past, actually every day more happy people.. Even Apple users do not see reason to change their phones..

So what is Apple really doing?
I think a big mistake to be slow..
Also 5s comes after 5 is not a God given rule..
So can't lose 1 year for a rule you created..

Profits will go even more down.. And not sure second Steve Jobs will come into company or not..
Apple tend to mess up easliy if they lose focus I see

Yes, Apple should follow business strategies of all those android manufacturers with hundreds of billion dollars in cash....
Oh wait

 

[javisan]

There is a reason both Samsung and HTC make mini versions of their phones.

Which ironically both have screens larger that 4 inches

For me that's the most pathetic part of all, that the MINI versions of the rest of the market are larger screened than the iPhones.

 

[upnorth85]

Dell and HP have been crushed in the last year from Lenovo which was a nobody 8 years ago. It rules the laptop market. Now Lenovo has entered the smart phone market. The greatest threat to Apple is not from Samsung or HTC. It will be one of these "cheap"manufacturers from China. The average price of these phons will be in the $200 range. Companies can either change with consumer taste or justify past success as proof as no reason for changing. Nokia did not move into clam shell cell phones and lost very badly. Apple had an opportunity and clearly wasted it. Apple's success will depend on growing market share not loyal existing users who like the current size being content with it and upgrading it every 2 years. At 2.6% dividend yield, a utility stock will be better going ahead. The 10% drop in price since announcing the iPhone 5S and 5C is the disappointment in the investment community with Apple's current strategy to fight the completion and particularly the failure to gain market share beyond single digits in China and India. The 5Sand 5C do not help in that effort.

Yes, Apple should follow business strategies of all those android manufacturers with hundreds of billion dollars in cash....
Oh wait

 

[TommyA6]

Dell and HP have been crushed in the last year from Lenovo which was a nobody 8 years ago. It rules the laptop market. Now Lenovo has entered the smart phone market. The greatest threat to Apple is not from Samsung or HTC. It will be one of these "cheap"manufacturers from China. The average price of these phons will be in the $200 range. Companies can either change with consumer taste or justify past success as proof as no reason for changing. Nokia did not move into clam shell cell phones and lost very badly. Apple had an opportunity and clearly wasted it. Apple's success will depend on growing market share not loyal existing users who like the current size being content with it and upgrading it every 2 years. At 2.6% dividend yield, a utility stock will be better going ahead. The 10% drop in price since announcing the iPhone 5S and 5C is the disappointment in the investment community with Apple's current strategy to fight the completion and particularly the failure to gain market share beyond single digits in China and India. The 5Sand 5C do not help in that effort.

Apple is more "powerful" today than all those companies you listed have ever been, combined. So I don't think they're in danger of going out of business. They are approaching 200 billion dollars in "cash" on their disposal. They could release nothing for another 20 years and would still have money to spend lol.
Another thing. Apple is not as stupid as those other companies were. I'd say they are certainly much more aware after all they've been through in the 90s.
iPhone is the best selling smartphone ever. And every year they sell more than the previous one. So, a 4 inch screen is still more popular than all those 4,5+ inch screens. That doesn't mean Apple shouldn't release a larger screen iPhone, but I think they should definitely keep the 4 inch option.

 

[iAlphard]

Well, from which i see, it is hard for Apple to get the top quality part anymore, plus instead of working together with them, Apple chose to sue them instead haha. Most of their parts like the display, camera, storage, memory, processor made by another company. Well, wait a minute big boy, lined up it's my factory my rule. Or maybe hey big boy, you cannot have the best and latest tech, umm maybe 6 months later k? kthxbye.
They should have build their own factory when their stock at the highest, but instead they just busy suing everybody, doh!

 

[zap2]

Honestly, there are times I wish my iPhone 5 was larger(when I'm awake, walking around) and there are times when I find it too big(when I'm lying in bed, on my side, trying to hold it with one hand at a weird angle) Over all I don't miss the Nexus Galaxy I had(screen size wise)

I don't have any problem with Apple allowing more choices in their line up. I'd love to see something near 4.7" for those who want it. And I'm glad the 3.5" still exists(I know people like my father weren't in love with something the size of my iPhone 5...heck convincing him to drop him Palm Pixi for something larger like the iPhone 4 was tricky enough)

I think my real issue is screen size controls how could the specs can be. That's true for iOS and Android. Smart phone just aren't very tiny at more. And for me, there's something to be said for something that's small.

Certainly small isn't for everyone, but neither is huge.

Well, from which i see, it is hard for Apple to get the top quality part anymore, plus instead of working together with them, Apple chose to sue them instead haha. Most of their parts like the display, camera, storage, memory, processor made by another company. Well, wait a minute big boy, lined up it's my factory my rule. Or maybe hey big boy, you cannot have the best and latest tech, umm maybe 6 months later k? kthxbye.
They should have build their own factory when their stock at the highest, but instead they just busy suing everybody, doh!

Please stop. I think it's pretty clear Apple can get any hardware they please. They are a major player in the smartphone market. Just huge. They are picking their hardware based on what they think makes the most practical devices and effective devices. You can agree or disagree, but I don't think anyone really thinks Apple had trouble getting the parts they want for their smartphones.

 

[Bigdawg4]

I admire Apple like most of users here..

However I see lots of my friends and most people in internet demanding bigger screen phone.. (including myself). Most of them selecting/changing their phones due to mainly screen size reasons.

I am curious, why Apple doesn't launch bigger screen phone next to existing one?

I am happy with new functions of Iphone 5s like fringerprint, slow motion video etc.. however this was not consumer expectation. Why not first answering customer demand than make innovation...

I checked all internet, I couldn't find any official announcment why Apple ignores an OBVIOUS DEMAND from its users?
Such a blind attitude is that?

Why Ipad had different sizes? Why Macbooks in different screen sizes? then why ihone stuck to 4 inches only..

Can anybody explain this to me for god sake???

(maybe it is told, but I checked all forum titles, nobody is asking the obvious obviously...) we own a explanation from Apple

regards,

Murat

As usual, alot of the posters that responded did not answer the OP question. It wasnt what do you think, should there be a larger iphone or not? It was , why doesnt apple offer a larger iphone. replies of "I dont want anything bigger" or "get an ipad" clearly miss the mark. apple makes several products in which they make multiple sizes, why not the iphone? I know...I know, fragmentation. But thats not really the answer...I know it makes dev more trouble some but dev would still be kicking in the door to have their own app no matter the screen size. I want an iphone with a larger screen, as I get older I notice it get harder and harder to make out the text on web sites. I know most sites have a mobile version but to me those mobile versions are most of the time harder to navigate. I read through all the replies so far and I havent seen a reply that gave a sound reson as to why apple doesnt make a larger iphone available to those that want it.

 

[FelixDerKater]

They count on your willingness to wait a year and purchase it in 2014, just like they waited a year to include LTE. You wait patiently while they get paid twice.

 

[javisan]

They count on your willingness to wait a year and purchase it in 2014, just like they waited a year to include LTE. You wait patiently while they get paid twice.

Exactly, just as they counted on the users willingness to wait a year when they offered Edge instead of 3G, then a year for 4G (really 3.5G) when people wanted 4G LTE, then waited more than a year for an increase in size to 4 inches, and finally, they'll probably give us 4.2-4.3 inches in the iPhone 6 and make us wait two more years for the 4.7 - 5 inch size (yeah, two years because god forbid they stop doing the "s" updates).

That's the business model, leave it crippled or uncompleted on purpose so that they can "fix" it next year and entice users to upgrade.

I personally am eagerly awaiting for upcoming leaks/news regarding the final screen size of iPhone 6 because I want a 4.7 - 5 inch screen and won't wait forever anymore. If they don't make it, I'll buy an Android. I won't cater to Apple's tactics no more. Enough is enough.

 

[iAlphard]

Honestly, there are times I wish my iPhone 5 was larger(when I'm awake, walking around) and there are times when I find it too big(when I'm lying in bed, on my side, trying to hold it with one hand at a weird angle) Over all I don't miss the Nexus Galaxy I had(screen size wise)

I don't have any problem with Apple allowing more choices in their line up. I'd love to see something near 4.7" for those who want it. And I'm glad the 3.5" still exists(I know people like my father weren't in love with something the size of my iPhone 5...heck convincing him to drop him Palm Pixi for something larger like the iPhone 4 was tricky enough)

I think my real issue is screen size controls how could the specs can be. That's true for iOS and Android. Smart phone just aren't very tiny at more. And for me, there's something to be said for something that's small.

Certainly small isn't for everyone, but neither is huge.






Please stop. I think it's pretty clear Apple can get any hardware they please. They are a major player in the smartphone market. Just huge. They are picking their hardware based on what they think makes the most practical devices and effective devices. You can agree or disagree, but I don't think anyone really thinks Apple had trouble getting the parts they want for their smartphones.

Well yea they can but that costs them more. That's why they can't really produce the so called mid range priced phone. Instead, they rebrand and reuse. This behaviour we can see it from switch to the new plastic casing but it only cut the cost for like 80-100$? Having good design isn't always all, one simply can't just ignore engineering and law surrounds them.

 

[Sakuraba]

Time to switch

I was likewise (as TS) dissapointed with the "new iPhones" Sept 10. The iPhone C (basically the same model as my current iPhone 5) and the iPhone 5 s looks exactly the same as last year. Making a model with gold-color doesn't change that fact.

But thankfully because of "the fierce competition" from Android- and Windows-phones we do have a choice nowadays!

I have been a loyal iPhone user since the start. Well, maybe "loyal" is not the right word. Apples iPhones simply outclassed the others for a long time.

But now they others have caught up and (to some extent) even passed!

With Galaxy Note 3 me (and TS) can make our "dreams come true"

But if we have some patience Nokia Lumia 1520 (probably coming October) may even be better.

Those are the main alternatives for me now, because I want a bigger screen. But I will take a close look at the "Nokia Lumia 1020" before I make my decision - The camera is outstanding! Best in class!


So Apple is playing a dangerous game now. And people who buy and sell Apple stock know that very well...

So, in short:

Galaxy Note 3 and the upcoming Nokia Lumia 1520 (6inch) are great alternatives for us who want bigger screens. Once we have switched it may be hard for Apple to get us back.