What exactly is wrong with them threads? Or the OPs who have posted them? I'm failing to understand.
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What exactly is wrong with them threads? Or the OPs who have posted them? I'm failing to understand.
He was 14 before he was 13. I mean, I sometimes have trouble remembering my age, but not that much. Threads by this member just seem to be conflicting with each other.
And there is also the "abandon my own thread with my questions being answered with more questions" syndrome.
Oh, I see. Hardly a bannable matter though. I'm not sure about this forum, but most age restrictions are to the age of 13.
From a fence sitter (neither love nor hate Apple, I love and loathe some of their business practices) this site seems quite balanced. There are issues with Apple and to gloss over them/pretend they don't exist then you're only being silly.
But in terms of real trolls - as in those who just come here to annoy others - there aren't many but they do exist on both sides (not naming names, but we all know who. Infact I'd say the worst are the ultra Apple fans. They don't get banned like the joke troll accounts).
This site is still quite nice. It's just lost that lovely cosy community feel that unfortunately happens when sites get so big.
Edit: Heh, I just made a good point in one post but because it mentioned Apple's recent lawsuit business and how another company might take on them, it's frowned upon. I'd like to change my original statement - this site could do with some more balance.
But in terms of real trolls - as in those who just come here to annoy others - there aren't many but they do exist on both sides (not naming names, but we all know who. Infact I'd say the worst are the ultra Apple fans. They don't get banned like the joke troll accounts).
This site is still quite nice. It's just lost that lovely cosy community feel that unfortunately happens when sites get so big.
Edit: Heh, I just made a good point in one post but because it mentioned Apple's recent lawsuit business and how another company might take on them, it's frowned upon. I'd like to change my original statement - this site could do with some more balance.
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I've seen many a good forum ruined and destroyed by trolls, people who choose to insult without adding anything useful or seek to prolong useless chit chat (diversion).
Trolls are removed on the better sites. I remove trolls from places I moderate/run.
There is a whole culture of trolls, with websites containing instructions on how to excel, it is an integral part of internet culture, it can be eradicated.
Trolls are removed on the better sites. I remove trolls from places I moderate/run.
There is a whole culture of trolls, with websites containing instructions on how to excel, it is an integral part of internet culture, it can be eradicated.
I think Apple has entered another stage, a more secure and respected one. No longer is there the need to support every move or every bit of the philosophy.
We fans can now be critical, hoping our views are taken into account (likely not!).
This can be mistaken by the True Believers as trolling, but it isn't. It is tough love.
We fans can now be critical, hoping our views are taken into account (likely not!).
This can be mistaken by the True Believers as trolling, but it isn't. It is tough love.
Perhaps if the members here knew what to look for when a troll comes along (eg. how to identify one) and the moderators/admins took a no-tolerance approach to trolls then they wouldn't bother coming to MR to inflict their 'damage'.
OK. Here's a legit question that would be a natural troll target...
How does one report an unacceptable post/poster ?? On some forums, there's a button specifically to report an abuse. On this forum, are the up/down arrows used for reporting? If not, what is the process?
How does one report an unacceptable post/poster ?? On some forums, there's a button specifically to report an abuse. On this forum, are the up/down arrows used for reporting? If not, what is the process?
I wanted to PM you to say thank you, but you have PMs disabled. So thanks, Blue Velvet, for the compliment. Know that the feeling is mutual. Cheers.
Arn,
Not sure if MR has the resoruces to go more like a Facebook style rating and popular feed listing. I see some hints in the blog articles where popular highlighted posts are featured.
I don't think there is a one size fits all solution. Some will want unrestricted, unfiltered raw posts, others want the trolls and BS segregated. Otehrs will hate to be gagged or booted. I do nto envy your problem.
I was a long ago Forum leader on AOL and we had similar issues and while the AOL way was far from perfect, did keep the place relativly tame and civil.
They had paid and volunteer moderators who could giv warnings, issue short term and long term bans as well as remove posts that wer flagged. It required labor, but in my case was well worth it to create a well liked, and visited forum that also had the ability to create flame wars by mere opinions being stated.
Good luck.
Not sure if MR has the resoruces to go more like a Facebook style rating and popular feed listing. I see some hints in the blog articles where popular highlighted posts are featured.
I don't think there is a one size fits all solution. Some will want unrestricted, unfiltered raw posts, others want the trolls and BS segregated. Otehrs will hate to be gagged or booted. I do nto envy your problem.
I was a long ago Forum leader on AOL and we had similar issues and while the AOL way was far from perfect, did keep the place relativly tame and civil.
They had paid and volunteer moderators who could giv warnings, issue short term and long term bans as well as remove posts that wer flagged. It required labor, but in my case was well worth it to create a well liked, and visited forum that also had the ability to create flame wars by mere opinions being stated.
Good luck.
Problem Members:
believe the site is called droidrumors.
are some teenagers who believe that they invented computers as well as sex.
believe all other members are under 45 and male.
forget that some have worked on computers for 40 or more years.
have been totally spoilt by their parents.
moderating an internet site is a thankless task..... so Thank you Mods.
believe the site is called droidrumors.
are some teenagers who believe that they invented computers as well as sex.
believe all other members are under 45 and male.
forget that some have worked on computers for 40 or more years.
have been totally spoilt by their parents.
moderating an internet site is a thankless task..... so Thank you Mods.
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Sounds exactly like what we do here at MR. It's really quite an operation "behind the scenes".
Ultimately though the forums are large and we can't be everywhere, we do need regular users to flag and report posts that are inappropriate as mentioned above.
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Banning people for using the word fanboy? That idea is silly. Even when used in an offensive context it's really not a very offensive word:
"I love chocolate ice cream!!!"
"Whoa, you must be a fanboy*. Also, vanilla ice cream is better, you jerk**."
*not offensive **this is the offensive part
The word isn't really an insult. So why, when it comes to certain tech companies instead of ice cream, is it considered one? It's what comes before or after the use of fanboy that will hurt people's feelings and lead to flame wars/troll happiness, and I think MacRumor's moderators already do a good job at handling that.
"I love chocolate ice cream!!!"
"Whoa, you must be a fanboy*. Also, vanilla ice cream is better, you jerk**."
*not offensive **this is the offensive part
The word isn't really an insult. So why, when it comes to certain tech companies instead of ice cream, is it considered one? It's what comes before or after the use of fanboy that will hurt people's feelings and lead to flame wars/troll happiness, and I think MacRumor's moderators already do a good job at handling that.
That's the reason. I think there was a time when words "troll" and "fanboy" were allowed but since they almost always caused more insults and name-calling, the best choice was to ban these words as well. (Possibly) less work for us
Either way, a mature person should not have to rely on words that are even remotely insulting. You can express your view on a more polite way.
Problem members:
Hold a positive opinion about non-Apple products and are often insulted on the forums for being an Apple hater, as seen in this thread. (Holding a positive opinion about non-Apple products does not mean you can't also have a positive opinion about Apple products!)
Perhaps there need to be an "other devices" category for people to ask questions/make statements about their non-Apple hardware that happens to compete with Apple hardware they chose not to buy for some reason or another. I think there are probably more iPhone users that have a great distaste for Macs than there are Mac users that have a great distaste for iPhones (and I say this because there are far more iPhone users out there!)
Dunno, I have positive opinions about most things, soooo.. I feel like a jerk bumping this thread all the time.
Kind of agree here. I like all things computer based, not just Apple, but if you open your mouth even a little you get jumped like you committed the ultimate sin.
Apple isn't the end all of computers. They are nice, but there are also other very nice products out there.
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As someone who understands computers enough to get by and uses Macs for that reason, I can understand the frustration of more experienced users who are attempting to educate the rest of us and some blunderer who does not recognize his own limitations asserts something erroneous or is not appropriately respectful of others can be an irritant. I am hopeful that the tools already built into the site will allow those persons to be dealt with appropriately.
What I am concerned about is that those more experienced users will get exasperated and leave, which will only increase the percentage of blunderers on the site. What I would ask is that the more experienced users recognize that the blunderers likely don't see themselves as they are and chalk it up to that ignorance and accept that there are those people in the world and as much as we might want to avoid them, it can be difficult at times.
For myself, I am appreciative of the information and help that I've received on this site and hope that the goals of educating Apple users can be maintained for years to come.
As someone who understands computers enough to get by and uses Macs for that reason, I can understand the frustration of more experienced users who are attempting to educate the rest of us and some blunderer who does not recognize his own limitations asserts something erroneous or is not appropriately respectful of others can be an irritant. I am hopeful that the tools already built into the site will allow those persons to be dealt with appropriately.
What I am concerned about is that those more experienced users will get exasperated and leave, which will only increase the percentage of blunderers on the site. What I would ask is that the more experienced users recognize that the blunderers likely don't see themselves as they are and chalk it up to that ignorance and accept that there are those people in the world and as much as we might want to avoid them, it can be difficult at times.
For myself, I am appreciative of the information and help that I've received on this site and hope that the goals of educating Apple users can be maintained for years to come.
Totally agree. People who come here to help (instead come to promote their non-Apple devices) are fewer and fewer now.
I am still failing to see the flooding of people who promote non-apple devices here. Care to point some out so I can see what you are on about.
I have to agree. I still see plenty of different people here, aiding others in need. I don't see a whole lot of non-Apple promotions, flaming or hating in the majority of the forums.