Oh please, you're exactly the kind of person dabomb665m was talking about, just in the other direction. He's telling everyone who doesn't care about the bleed that their not caring doesn't mean no one can care - while you, on the other hand, keep insisting that EVERYONE MUST CARE and anyone who claims not to see the issue just hasn't looked hard enough and SHOULD look harder despite the fact that it's not having any impact on their usage at all. Your entire point in starting this thread was that there can't possibly be any reason to buy an iPad 2 as long as this issue exists, implying that everyone must care about it as much as you do.
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Oh please, you're exactly the kind of person dabomb665m was talking about, just in the other direction. He's telling everyone who doesn't care about the bleed that their not caring doesn't mean no one can care - while you, on the other hand, keep insisting that EVERYONE MUST CARE and anyone who claims not to see the issue just hasn't looked hard enough and SHOULD look harder despite the fact that it's not having any impact on their usage at all. Your entire point in starting this thread was that there can't possibly be any reason to buy an iPad 2 as long as this issue exists, implying that everyone must care about it as much as you do.
No we mustn't. That's the whole point of this pointless debate. For me an "ISSUE" is something that hinders functionality or usability of the product, for you it's... well... something else.
I'm not making people accept that they must have problems with the issue. I'm making them realize that there is an issue with every iPad 2 and they can choose to be affected by it or not.
You can't say "no lightbleed on mine" without even testing it. I am 100% sure your iPad 2 does have light bleed. Not having it and not noticing it are 2 way different things.
Almost. It means that they actually acknowledge the bleeding as a problem for the small percentage of users who think it's a problem.
Just because it's not a problem for me, doesn't mean it's not a problem for you, right? Just because it's a problem for you, doesn't mean it's a problem for everyone. See how that works?
What I don't get is why people are so worked up about it? If it bothered me, I'd either return and get my money back or keep a few months until Apple hopefully worked out the kinks in manufacturing and then ask them to replace it. Apple's pretty cool like that.
Because unke you, some people can also see the positive in a product which outweighs the light bleed which honestly is not even a big deal. I'm assuming you don't own an iPhone 4, in fears of losing service if you death grip it lol
See, I think you miss my point exactly. People are arguing definitions in the scope of their own "world". What I'm talking about is the absolute definition and there in lies the problem. Most people on this forum would do themselves some good by taking a course in logic. It's really simple:
LCD's should not exhibit this kind of bleed, therefore the iPad 2's exhibiting blotchy bleeds have a bleeding issue.
This statement is completely separate from "I do or do not have an issue with the bleeding". This is a subjective statement, whereas the statement above is objective if you agree on point A, which is LCD's should not exhibit this kind of bleed.
Whether YOU have an issue with it or not does not change the SEPARATE statement that the iPad 2 LCD's have bleeding issues. Get my point? The reason people are arguing so much is because they simply can't see the distinction and continue to argue personal definitions revolving around themselves and word semantics. For example, you believe it isn't an issue because it doesn't hinder functionality *within the scope of your personal usage and personal visual sensitivity*. That's really as subjective as it gets. What about people who use it mostly in the dark? What about those who predominantly use it for movies, which, due to the non 16:9 aspect ratio of the ipad, generates huge BLACK letter boxes that pronounces the bleeding? I would say that those people, the same people you are arguing the definition of "issue being hindering functionality", would tell you that it actually does hinder them functionaly. So even if you are arguing subjectively, you are still incorrect because again, the world/use cases of the iPad does not revolve around you.
To add/edit: I don't care either way about this bleeding argument... I'm just sick of reading all the bickering when people are clearly misinterpreting each other's viewpoints. All this crap on how different people are perceiving the bleeding fiasco is reminding me of the iPhone 4 release, which was basically boiled down to the same people arguing in the same manner: "The iPhone 4's reception problem is a non-issue, Don't hold it that way". Well guess what? If I can touch the phone on a specific spot and cause antenna degradation on EVERY iPhone 4 ceteris paribas(same location, etc), then there is an ISSUE with the phone itself. It doesn't matter if the "ISSUE" with the phone is or is not an ISSUE to yours truly. I was one of the people that got extremely frustrated because my natural phone holding habits literally covered that spot, and people were literally flaming/trolling me by saying "it's not an issue, because you can just not hold it there".
So again... please stop mistaking YOUR non issue with a general non issue.
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Here's how I look at it--
When I got my iPad 2, the light bleed was the first thing I checked for. I am very OCD about my stuff, and do not take well to defects or cosmetic flaws.
My iPad 2 DOES have incredibly minor light bleed and you can only see it if you're really looking for it and in the exact right conditions. When I saw it, my reaction was "I'm so used to seeing this on all LCD screens, I don't think I would have thought anything of it if I noticed it on my own without the influence of a forum thread."
To those of you where the light bleed is visible in normal day to day use, exchange that thing. Unacceptable. To those of you where it is not, don't worry about it. Enjoy your iPad 2.
When I got my iPad 2, the light bleed was the first thing I checked for. I am very OCD about my stuff, and do not take well to defects or cosmetic flaws.
My iPad 2 DOES have incredibly minor light bleed and you can only see it if you're really looking for it and in the exact right conditions. When I saw it, my reaction was "I'm so used to seeing this on all LCD screens, I don't think I would have thought anything of it if I noticed it on my own without the influence of a forum thread."
To those of you where the light bleed is visible in normal day to day use, exchange that thing. Unacceptable. To those of you where it is not, don't worry about it. Enjoy your iPad 2.
I see your viewpoint on apple acknowledging the bleeding as a problem for a small percentage *at this point in time* because they are exchanging bleed-free brown box units for those that complain. However, I do not agree that this is the official/long term stance (and by long term I really mean the life cycle of the iPad 2, which is 1.5 years roughly).
I do not believe for one moment that Apple would not adapt their current brown box repair methods into the chinese factory line. It may take some time to phase the new "process" in, but I have faith in Apple when it comes to repairing issues that can realistically be fixed(and realistically is the key word here). I don't believe they are willing to continue the swap cycle. If it can be fixed at manufacturing, which these brown boxes are proving it can, they will implement it on all factories. It makes sense even purely on a business end. It costs money every time a unit is returned and repaired. It also costs money every time a brand new retail unit is opened and exchanged. People in the business know Apple's success comes from their ridiculously high margins. Apple is very good at maintaining those margins. Methods that can be realistically fixed to prevent more refurb unit cycles will be implemented by Apple. They are masters of efficiency, which is why their margins are so high. You can see it in every facet of their business.... even all the way down to the design of their products (logic board size, placement, etc are all built around the concept of maximizing margins as production efficiency increases).
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It goes both ways: don't conflates your individual issue with a general issue.
Considering how the iPhone 4 (with it's"faulty" antenna) and the iPad 2 (with it's evil back light bleeding debacle) are coveted, with supply struggling to meet demand (and that IS more of an issue); I tend to believe I'm closer to the general consensus than you are.
How do we test it? Who determined that turning it up to 100% brightness in a dark room with a blank screen is the proper way to test it ?
The nay sayers aren't saying no one has bleeding at normal backlight levels. What we are saying (at least I am) is that if you can see bleeding during normal usage, you have a problem, and based on that assumption, there are people with backlight bleed. These iPads should be returned. I am also saying if you sit down and watch a letter boxed video in a dark room, or use an app, or do anything with it, day or night, and can't see, any light bleed, who gives a rat's ass what the screen looks like at 100%, in a dark room, with a blank screen ?
Most don't care if that was the case. I'd be perfectly happy to have all the bleed in the world at 100% and not see it where I keep my brightness level. So far none of the iPads I've gotten as replacements has this been the case . . . except of course the one unit that had just about zero to very little at 100%. But what's the line we want to draw? Is 60 to high. 70?
Yea, I have seen your pics on the other thread, pretty bad. But the guy I was quoting had said that someone else couldn't say they had a good screen because they haven't 'tested' it yet. There are a few extremists posting on the other thread (for both sides). I figure if you don't notice bleed after a few weeks, you don't have an issue. My thoughts are that Apple allows too much brightness adjustment. On my first gen iPad, I keep the brightness around minimum. At 100% brightness, you need to don a welding hood. Doing the test at 80% or so you can start to see light bleed, but I never have used my iPad above 50%, so its kind of hard to claim that I have light bleed.
Interesting. You keep at almost zero? I've tried that and it's just too dim for me. My comfort level is 40-60. Depending on my mood and how many drinks I've had.
In my opinion
i think people should use 'in my opinion' or IMO or i think rather than, it is, the fact is this. I've got an 16gig one, and yeah i suppose it has abit of light bleed (i just checked after having it for a week). I think its just opinion thing, it matters to some people, not to others. Personally i'm so absorbed in whatever i'm doing on it i don't notice, but for some people they would like a perfect product. I would say, if you think you will be bothered by light bleed don't risk it, but if you're like me a want to use it enough to get engrossed in it then oh well. Also, if you use ibooks who cares everything is white at the edges
nobody's perfect therefore i am nobody?
i think people should use 'in my opinion' or IMO or i think rather than, it is, the fact is this.
I've got an 16gig one, and yeah i suppose it has abit of light bleed (i just checked after having it for a week). I think its just opinion thing, it matters to some people, not to others. Personally i'm so absorbed in whatever i'm doing on it i don't notice, but for some people they would like a perfect product. I would say, if you think you will be bothered by light bleed don't risk it, but if you're like me a want to use it enough to get engrossed in it then oh well. Also, if you use ibooks who cares everything is white at the edgesnobody's perfect therefore i am nobody?
Also on a different note, trying to put this in perspective, remember the gameboy and GBA, they didn't even have backlight screens , and the gameboy SP had a horrible washed out look with it on, but i had hours and hours of fun playing with those when i was small
, and the gameboy SP had a horrible washed out look with it on, but i had hours and hours of fun playing with those when i was small
If quality is not important to you that's fine. I'm not looking for perfect but it would be nice. You read books with white edges and I watch Netfix with black edges. In my opinion it's unacceptable. In my opinion just because you don't think your iPad is defective dosen't make it so. It's your choice and I'm cool with that. I also think if it weren't for us "fussy" people Apple would accept it too. My opinion of course.
Interesting. You keep at almost zero? I've tried that and it's just too dim for me. My comfort level is 40-60. Depending on my mood and how many drinks I've had.
90% of my usage is indoors, dark room. Wife will be watching TV, or laying in bed after she falls asleep. I have used it outdoors a few times, but only had to raise the brightness to 50%
I'm just going to stop and assume reading comprehension is not your strong suit. With an answer like that, it is obvious you aren't reading what I'm writing. You are again arguing exactly what I'm trying to address. I'm not even talking about MY issues or YOUR issues. How else can I spell it out for you? There is an issue with the iPad2 and bleeding.
This statement is not a blanket statement about other ISSUES such as sales volume, demand, personal issues, et al. How hard is it for you to understand that a statement about a technical issue about the iPad 2 does not actually have anything to do with other factors. Seriously, where is your logic? Now I am just wasting my time so I'll just leave it at that.
Some people just wont ever get it man, I dont know what to tell you?
In my personal experience, before i sold my Ipad 2 I never noticed light bleed. Then as I was doing a factory reset, during the apple boot screen I noticed SIGNIFICANT light bleed in the upper left corner and lower right corner, it was yellowish in color.
The only reason I never noticed it before was because my backgroud was white and i never watched a movie or video on it to notice with the letterbox, and lastly I hardly ever used it.
It is an issue guys, I just didnt see it right away.
I would argue all it shows is they have a very effective strategy for dealing with customers who come back in to the store and are dissatisfied with their original unit.
Within the manufacturing processes, there ARE variations between units, within engineering tolerances, but variances none the less.
They pull some inventory after hand sampling it and those end up as the so called 'brown box' units.
Will they work with their manufacturing partners to decrease the tolerances in the process going forward?
Maybe. I'm sure they have already explored options.
Final decision is always a balance between cost and business impact.