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First off, the 7S isn't expected to have wireless charging or a glass back. Those rumors are only for the 8.

Second, there are very few rumors about the 7S, so we truly don't know what it will be like.

According to the rumours, that the whole reason why it has a glass back.
 
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I'd say based on rumors alone... 7s if you want wireless charging... if you don't.. get a 7. Obviously there might be other changes though I seriously doubt any really big ones. So if you can get a deal on a 7 now, might as well just enjoy the new device. If you really have to have wireless charging then wait a few weeks.
 
I'd say based on rumors alone... 7s if you want wireless charging... if you don't.. get a 7. Obviously there might be other changes though I seriously doubt any really big ones. So if you can get a deal on a 7 now, might as well just enjoy the new device. If you really have to have wireless charging then wait a few weeks.

There will be a lot of sale prices with the iPhone 7 in the next month. For those who really are not interested in the latest devices, I imagine carriers and third-party retailers will have significant discounts or promotional purchases.
 
My reasoning would be basically that I like the look of the glass-back design; (if Qi standard) then I already have some wireless chargers hanging around I may as well use; if the camera is at all better, that's still a plus as I like taking snaps on my travels.

Using existing wireless chargers with the new iPhone...lol.

The iPhone's wireless charging capability will be less powerful than other phones that currently offer the same feature, according to a new report Japanese site Macotakara that was first spotted by 9to5Mac.

Apple has long been expected to use the Qi wireless charging standard since it joined the Wireless Power Consortium earlier this year, but this new report from Macotakara claims the next-generation iPhones won't take advantage of the fastest inductive charging tech available.

Instead, Apple will use a slower charging profile at 7.5 watts, which 9to5Mac notes will only be able to power up the phones at about half the speed of the most recent Qi 1.2 standard of 15 watts. The report, which cites an unnamed source, also claims that only new charging pads built specifically for Apple products will be compatible with the iPhones.

Only third-party chargers that are certified by Apple's MFi licensing program will work with the new wirelessly charging iPhones. This allows Apple to maintain control over the accessories market. The company has a similar setup with chargers for the Apple Watch, so it's not a complete surprise it would do the same for the iPhone.
 
Personally I think the 7S will be just as bad value for money simply due to the outdated screen, massive bezel design. In 2017 apple should be releasing an iPhone like the 8 as their bread and butter device, not some uber expensive phone that relegates most Apple customers to buying essentially a 3 year old phone with boring updated internals. Samsung are doing what apple should be doing which is depressing.
Apple is not a charity. Apple is not a non profit. Apple is not there to play egalitarian hero and hand out iPhones to the masses. They're a capitalist corporation here to make M-O-N-E-Y. This phone is more expensive to produce. Sure they will catch up on production numbers but the fact is apple could charge $2000 and this thing will sell. The 8 can't be their bread and butter device because of the iPhone's scale globally.
 
Using existing wireless chargers with the new iPhone...lol.
Well, as what you quoted noted, they are part of the consortium behind Qi, and there's also reason to use a standard for topping up in coffee shops and the like (already reasonable deployment) so it's possible. It's also possible they will use the standard rather than developing their own but artificially limit it to their own chargers, I suppose :rolleyes: oh well, at least I'll have a shiny glass back to admire when I take the case off to clean it every couple of months :p
 
I agree, 7 will be running iOS 11, 12 and probably 13 just fine for most people. For me ProMotion (120 vs current 60 screen refresh rate) could be a worthy factor when choosing between 7 and 7S. Otherwise I don’t mind staying a generation behind for the phone’s design.
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Why buy a 7 over a 6s? Buy now and get an amazing deal.

7 is faster (fusion processor), water resistant and has a solid home button, so is likely to last longer and will be going cheaper in about two weeks anyway.
 
I will be looking to get the 7, the 7S I don't think will be improved much, wireless charging will be he main thing. But the reduced saving the 7 will offer will make it the better choice.
But who knows what will happen after Apples keynote, but I'm not paying £1100 or more for an iPhone!
 
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I will be looking to get the 7, the 7S I don't think will be improved much, wireless charging will be he main thing. But the reduced saving the 7 will offer will make it the better choice.
But who knows what will happen after Apples keynote, but I'm not paying £1100 or more for an iPhone!

What are you using right now? LG G6?
 
If you're the type who's just going to use it for texting and Facebook, it's not good value to spend $1000+ when something much less expensive will perform the same tasks for you. Value in tech comes from paying for what you actually need, not several times more for features you don't care about, and in that sense, the 7s/7s+ may be a better value for many people.

I don't know if I agree with that, if that's the case then most expensive brands will cease to exist. We won't have Bentley or Ferrari or mclaren. A simple ford can achieve the same task, going from A to B.
 

Yeah, you can get the 7 if you want to stay on iPhone. I was talking to family about how they recommend the 7 over my SE if I want to stick with iPhone for my next phone, but I can't do that to myself because it feels like ancient ergonomics to me. Plus a lot of it feels outdated too: 750p display with a LCD, bulky build, slow charging, etc.
 
I don't know if I agree with that, if that's the case then most expensive brands will cease to exist. We won't have Bentley or Ferrari or mclaren. A simple ford can achieve the same task, going from A to B.

I never said that everyone buys things based on value. They absolute don't! Otherwise, you're right. those brands would disappear. No one really needs a Ferrari. You don't buy one because you're looking for the best value for getting from point A to point B. You buy it because it's extravagant.
 
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Apple is not a charity. Apple is not a non profit. Apple is not there to play egalitarian hero and hand out iPhones to the masses. They're a capitalist corporation here to make M-O-N-E-Y. This phone is more expensive to produce. Sure they will catch up on production numbers but the fact is apple could charge $2000 and this thing will sell. The 8 can't be their bread and butter device because of the iPhone's scale globally.

Well if we follow your logic, they should've pumped the prices of the iPhone years ago just cuz "is more expensive to produce". I bet Samsungs Edge-to-edge infinity display is also not cheap to produce, the wireless charging, iris scanner, IP68 and all of the rest, but they don't put the price to $2000. You're really being an iSheep with that post, no offense.
I'm certainly a loyal iPhone fan, but I am not going to accept the reasoning behind this. Like I said in the past, I still believe Apple won't release a "7S". To me the most viable one is the new expected iPhone (8/pro even call it 7S if u wish) but with two variants one bigger and one smaller. You're saying Apple can charge $2k for it - sure, but it will be their death sentence slowly being developed for sure. Cuz they were late to the party with all of that tech, which will be most likely be full of defects and bugs and we'll have to return it, wait 2 weeks to get a replacement and continue that cycle for months?

Also, to the people who said the 7S (again - if any) is aimed not for the people with 7/7+ but most likely for the older generations I don't think so. I think Apple don't give a crap for the older generations and they are more aimed towards current iPhone owners and potential newcommers to the iPhone. Why? First off, it's their 10th anniversary. It's a memorable moment for them and many others, and on that date you all think they will bump the price of the iPhone instead of making discounts on it? It will be a bad omen. Second, remember the iPhone upgrade program? That also indicates that Apple want's you to upgrade the iPhone and wants to help you doing it. As a fella forum member said, Apple is about mass consumer luxury, not aiming for lower amount of people willing to spend money on the premium phone.
And third, remember the 6S - "The only thing that's changed is everything" ? They can't pull the same trick out their sleeve for a second time. To whoever says there is no difference between the 6/6S/7 I can prove the opposite. The only thing we didn't have is HUGE redesign which is coming NOW. That's why it makes no sense of Apple continuing the same design for 4th year in a row, it won't work out very well. And finally, food for thought: why do you think there are only a very few rumors about the "7s" ? I'll leave that thought to you!
 
Some of us still have the Iphone 6 and are looking to upgrade, that's who the 7s is for. I want to say most of us 6 owners skipped the 7. But I do agree that if the 7 drops heavily in price then it would be a no brainer on which one to get.

I think Apple need to start working on improving the sound quality of the Iphone as a music player. It would be nice for them to improve it in that way, maybe add some Beats headphones instead of the earpods. I don't know, something different.
The 7 is already being dropped (not by apple though).

I plan on trading in my 5s tomorrow for $300 to put towards a 7+
 
I never said that everyone buys things based on value. They absolute don't! Otherwise, you're right. those brands would disappear. No one really needs a Ferrari. You don't buy one because you're looking for the best value for getting from point A to point B. You buy it because it's extravagant.
And the 8 will be a status symbol to a lot of people who actually will mainly use it for social media and texting. The more it costs the bigger the status.
 
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What is that supposed to mean 'value for money' this is piece of bleeding edge technology not a kilo of new season strawberries.
Value of a product is different from one person to another one.

The value is how much work do I have to do for a $1bill and then determine if the work that gets you then money is well spent on a particular product, whatever that is.

Do I buy a $500,000 house over a $250,000 house? Do I buy a $150,000 car over a $35,000 car? Nobody can make that determination but the person that has to work for that money.
 
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And the 8 will be a status symbol to a lot of people who actually will mainly use it for social media and texting. The more it costs the bigger the status.

Yup. Which is why I say that for those who don't care about showing off, the 7S/7s+ might be a better option.

Not saying that's true for everyone though, as the "8" will spot some tangible advantages, of course.
 
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Well if we follow your logic, they should've pumped the prices of the iPhone years ago just cuz "is more expensive to produce". I bet Samsungs Edge-to-edge infinity display is also not cheap to produce, the wireless charging, iris scanner, IP68 and all of the rest, but they don't put the price to $2000. You're really being an iSheep with that post, no offense.
I'm certainly a loyal iPhone fan, but I am not going to accept the reasoning behind this. Like I said in the past, I still believe Apple won't release a "7S". To me the most viable one is the new expected iPhone (8/pro even call it 7S if u wish) but with two variants one bigger and one smaller. You're saying Apple can charge $2k for it - sure, but it will be their death sentence slowly being developed for sure. Cuz they were late to the party with all of that tech, which will be most likely be full of defects and bugs and we'll have to return it, wait 2 weeks to get a replacement and continue that cycle for months?

And finally, food for thought: why do you think there are only a very few rumors about the "7s" ? I'll leave that thought to you!

Firstly, Samsung doesn't have thousands of eager customers camping outside their retail stores when a galaxy launches. The iPhone is the phone period. No single series of a smartphone has the market share of iPhone. Samsungs infinity display cost a lot to produce, but they don't have as many people buying that model.
Secondly, they're very few s model leaks. And if you haven't seen any 7s leaks, you really have been not paying attention to the news. Just use google.
 
if you plan to keep a handset for the long run, buying last year's model is stupid.

Disagree. Consumers should Purchase what they want from the device and what they can afford. Perhaps not everyone needs a device that offers latest specifications. And last years model (iPhone 7) will likely see support for another three or four years. Which by that time anyways, the consumer will have upgraded to a newer device by that time.
 
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Disagree. Consumers should Purchase what they want from the device and what they can afford. Perhaps not everyone needs a device that offers latest specifications. And last years model (iPhone 7) will likely see support for another three or four years. Which by that time anyways, the consumer will have upgraded to a newer device by that time.


re read my post.

if you are buying for the long term, buying last years model you have effectively lost 1 year of support. essentially you'll need to replace 1 year sooner. i.e., over the life of the device you are spreading your cost over 1-2 years instead of 2-3. so paying 25-30% more for a brand new handset vs last year's model is roughly break even.

and for the entire life of the device you will have better performance.

look, you buy what you want. but i've owned iphones since the 3G and seen how software performance on them degrades (even if it is "supported") over time, imho buying an older model is just false economy.
 
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