Why buy 7S over 7?

[mctrials23]

Soak yourself in bias more please. And don't make excuses for Apple. Moving the headphone jack was a cash grab and pure laziness.

Its quite hard to call the removal of the headphone jack a cash grab. Its not like apple have the monopoly on wireless headphones is it. "Hey guys, we're going to remove the 3.5mm headphone jack so that people buy our airpods. Heres the kicker though, we are going to produce the airpods in really small quantities to limit our profits".

In a few years all phones will have removed the headphone jack and as usual apple will have been ahead of the curve. If faceID works brilliantly you will see all phone manufacturers getting rid of fingerprint scanners in the next few years as well. Apple may make the odd mis-step but not everything they do is a cash grab. Re-using the same design for 4 generations of iPhones and charging the same price each time is a cash grab. Charging insane prices for things like cables is a cash grab. Removing the headphone jack clearly isn't.

 

[nviz22]

Laziness is using the same old feature year after year and never changing with the times. Laziness is also blaming one company for so thing that was done first by multiple other companies. Haven't used a jack in years. Long before Apple rightly removed it. I guess in your little world a Apple is the only Bluetooth headset manufacturer also?

Laziness is actually using the same body design for three straight phone generations going into a fourth soon. It is also lazy on Apple's part because they could've pushed to design a better phone with a slimmer profile, a headphone jack, excellent battery life, include water resistance, etc. Samsung isn't the only OEM capable of creating great smartphones. Look at how great the LG G6 and LG V30 look. Sure, Motorola took out the headphone jack, but they eventually brought it back because of common sense. Just because you don't use a jack doesn't mean others do not as well. "My little world?" What are you talking about? Nothing I am saying is in a vacuum.
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Its quite hard to call the removal of the headphone jack a cash grab. Its not like apple have the monopoly on wireless headphones is it. "Hey guys, we're going to remove the 3.5mm headphone jack so that people buy our airpods. Heres the kicker though, we are going to produce the airpods in really small quantities to limit our profits".

In a few years all phones will have removed the headphone jack and as usual apple will have been ahead of the curve. If faceID works brilliantly you will see all phone manufacturers getting rid of fingerprint scanners in the next few years as well. Apple may make the odd mis-step but not everything they do is a cash grab. Re-using the same design for 4 generations of iPhones and charging the same price each time is a cash grab. Charging insane prices for things like cables is a cash grab. Removing the headphone jack clearly isn't.

Apple's Ear Pods are doing very well and that's a ton of revenue in their bottom lines. Ear Pod demand could outweigh supply. They are also selling adapters and putting them in their packaging as well. It would be ahead of the curve if they offered a ton of W1 products with third parties as well, but they aren't a ton of W1 products out there. Motorola saw errors in its way and started including headphone jacks with their phones. Bluetooth isn't capable of replacing direct audio yet, so until that happens, headphone jacks should stay. Enough is enough with the slimmer is better mentality because phones can still keep the jack if they are similar to the LG V30, Galaxy S8/S8+/Note 8, etc.

 

[inscrewtable]

...I wouldn't mind the apple tax...

Apple tax is a thing of the past, witness for example the attempt that gamers tried recently when challenged to build an equivalent computer to the new iMac Pro they couldn't do it. Then there is the resale value, even if that mysterious 'Android' phone of which you speak really was equivalent for a couple of hundred less, you'd end up getting that money back when you go to sell it. Resale value of Apple stuff is phenomenal.

And if you buy Apple stuff that is almost new from somebody who decides they don't want it then you it holds it value even better. I bought a one month old 2012 mac mini quad core i7 in 2014 and then put a data doubler and 512GB SSD in it with the 1TB HDD it came with, cost me all up $1200 AUD, it's on eBay right now and I'll prolly get $1200 AUD for it even though the cost of SSD's has decreased.

Yesterday I bought a 3.4GHz 21" 4K iMac with the Fusion drive (it's only a few weeks old)(which is $2200 AUD over here), for $1500 from a guy who bought it for his wife who prefers her Surface crap, in 3 years time it will still be worth $1500 without the extended wireless keyboard and mouse that came with it, (which I am also selling on eBay). Try doing any of that with Android or Windows PC's.
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More cost effective options like buying an iPhone 7

But that's exactly my point when I said the iPhone 8 (actually the 7s with prolly be called the 8 because it's different enough with the glass back and the 8 will be the Edition or something) is "bleeding edge technology" which is never 'value for money' by it's very definition.

 

[apolloa]

For the non techie, and people who really value their money, you are so 100% true!

let's see;

here in Europe you can easily get this Samsung S8 for around €550-€600. That would be about 45-50% cheaper then the rumoured €1000+ iPhone 8.
With just like you mentioned, a few / lot more options then the iPhone 8 with it's rumoured feautures.

I really think the majority of iPhone users will seriously think to spend their money on other smartphone brands way under the €1000/$1000+.

Nowadays Android on the Samsung Galaxy line, became really mature, compared to a few years ago. Apple was leading with the OS, as of the S8 not really anymore, their about on par (my 2cts and my own real life experience).

I would say out of that €1000/$1000+ iPhone 8 you are paying about 350-400 for the OS and the eco system, and ofcourse a few hundreds of dollars/euro pure for the fact their is an Apple logo on the back.

Along my iPhone 7, which is eating dust in a drawer, I have the S8. After the last updates, especially the August 1st update, my S8 is flying with hardly any lag/stutters and/or framedrops (Exynos model)
Samsung is really stepping up their game with this S8. Its in no way Samsung from the past anymore.

Actually they will just buy the 7S, you see I went and had a play yesterday, picked up the S8 Plus and started using it and the very first thing it did was lag!!! When your used to hardly having any lag on an iPhone that puts you off.. not to mention Samsungs OLED default colour setting is ugly and horrible.
However if they were to pick up a One Plus Five and set the screen mode to DCI3.... yeah then they'll be sold on Android!

 

[macfacts]

Every S version is better than ,
- improve
- fix bug
- more useful
...

iOS updates are free, non s versions get bug fixes too.

And to the thread creator, Apple doesn't care much if you aren't going to get the top of the line iPhone. Apple has a range of devices with a range of prices for most people and if you are getting the iPhone 7, Apple is still happy.
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... However, I do agree with "value" being a relative thing. I have an iPhone 5c (2012 CPU) and iPhone 5s (2013) that both still work quite well on iOS 10.3.3. How are Android flagships released in 2012 and 2013 faring now? ...

If you look at android version stats, you'll see a lot of people are still comfortably using older Android devices.

My Note 3 was from 2013 and I would still be using it if it wasn't physically damaged last year. My Samsung S tab 1 has the same specs as my note 3 (same cpu, same 3gb ram) and I'm still using it (replaced the battery in it last month). Yeah, both of them didn't get os updates but I don't care strongly about it. Also, both of them have amoled screens.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

If I was due my upgrade this month, I'd wait and see what the pricing is like on the 7S firstly. It's likely going to be the same price as the 7 last year and with Apples Brexit tax here, I'd probably see if I could pick up a 7 on a cheaper 24 month contract like I did with the 6S last year. You can pick up some good deals as the retailers are hoping you're going to get the latest phone. I rarely use a smartphone to its full capabilities so having the latest device at the new premium they are starting to charge seems a bit stupid to me. I'd effectively be paying £400 more just to say I've got the very latest phone and let's face it, nobody really notices or cares what phone you use these days. Those days are gone with every man and his dog owning a smartphone.

Thankfully though I have a headphone jack for another year and an iPhone 6S that is lightning quick. Two year old technology holding its own in 2017.

 

[macfacts]

Apple tax is a thing of the past,....
Resalevalue of Apple stuff is phenomenal. .... I bought a one month old 2012 mac mini quad core i7 in 2014 ....

Bragging you paid close to day 1 price for a 2 year old mac ...

 

[nviz22]

If I was due my upgrade this month, I'd wait and see what the pricing is like on the 7S firstly. It's likely going to be the same price as the 7 last year and with Apples Brexit tax here, I'd probably see if I could pick up a 7 on a cheaper 24 month contract like I did with the 6S last year. You can pick up some good deals as the retailers are hoping you're going to get the latest phone. I rarely use a smartphone to its full capabilities so having the latest device at the new premium they are starting to charge seems a bit stupid to me. I'd effectively be paying £400 more just to say I've got the very latest phone and let's face it, nobody really notices or cares what phone you use these days. Those days are gone with every man and his dog owning a smartphone.

Thankfully though I have a headphone jack for another year and an iPhone 6S that is lightning quick. Two year old technology holding its own in 2017.

Age is just a number. Some people can use their phones for years on end as long as part collaborate. The next flagship device I get? I want to run it until it craps out, whether that's 2 years from now or 4 years from now. I don't want to upgrade yearly anymore or even semi-annually because phones are really mature. So it comes down to which OS I feel will last me longer. Right now, I am on the fence.

 

[inscrewtable]

Bragging you paid close to day 1 price for a 2 year old mac ...

I'm talking AUD as in Australian dollars, that mac was $1100 AUD I paid $800 AUD. But I'm not "bragging" I'm just answering the 'Apple Tax' accusation, which was true in the distant past but is no longer a valid criticism.

 

[throAU]

I've also had iPhones since the original. The slowdown actually isn't as bad as it used to be. Even the 5c and 5s are chugging along nicely on iOS 10.3.3. Granted, it's quite possible that the new features on iOS 11 would cause considerable slowdown for the 5s.

Besides, the big depreciation drop usually happens first year. After that, trade-in versus purchase price isn't too bad.

Not sure what your standards are for performance but by the time i replaced it about 6 months ao my 6 was performing like a dog.

 

[rui no onna]

Not sure what your standards are for performance but by the time i replaced it about 6 months ao my 6 was performing like a dog.

I can be pretty picky. The thing is older iOS devices were noticeably slower compared to desktops when rendering webpages, etc. With A9 and newer, not so much.

While there is some noticeable slowdown on 5c and 5s with iOS 10, it wasn't anywhere near as bad as, say, the iPhone 4 on iOS 7. Mind, I do find the 6 performs quite similar to the 5s and the 6 Plus actually seems to stutter more than either. Likely the effect of GPU vs resolution.

 

[aakshey]

7s over 7

Much faster CPU. Say 30-50% or so. Worth USD 100.

Perhaps more RAM. In which case it could outlast the 7 by 12-24 months. Worth USD 200.

Wireless charging. Worth USD 100.

Newer/Different colours and back. Worth USD 100.

Possibly better camera. Worth USD 50-100.

Much faster GPU. Worth USD 100.

More storage at the same price point. Worth USD 100.

If Apple wanted they could do away with the iPhone edition (had it not been for these rumors) and still had a so so year with just the iPhone 7s.

 

[iFalcon]

I was planning to get the 7S. However, I came across a 2 month old iPhone 7 128G matte black in flawless condition with AppleCare for $400 on Craigslist the other day. Seemed like VERY good deal from what I compared to on Swappa.

I can still sale the 7 seven later and shouldn't be much of a loss, if any.

 

[mctrials23]

7s over 7

Much faster CPU. Say 30-50% or so. Worth USD 100.

Perhaps more RAM. In which case it could outlast the 7 by 12-24 months. Worth USD 200.

Wireless charging. Worth USD 100.

Newer/Different colours and back. Worth USD 100.

Possibly better camera. Worth USD 50-100.

Much faster GPU. Worth USD 100.

More storage at the same price point. Worth USD 100.

If Apple wanted they could do away with the iPhone edition (had it not been for these rumors) and still had a so so year with just the iPhone 7s.

Is this a joke post...

You managed to get $800 extra value for the 7s over the 7.

 

[ssrij]

Why buy 7S over 7?

Why buy a new phone over an old phone? Because it will be faster and better, it's a newer phone, DUH.

Unless apple do something completely unexpected and have managed to keep the supply chain quiet about it, the 7S will basically be a 7 with glass back, wireless charging and an improved processor and a slightly improved camera.

Just like iPhone 4S, 5S and 6S. S releases have always been about incremental changes to camera and processor, and one somewhat big feature (Siri, TouchID, 3D Touch, and now wireless charging).

I would like people to send a message to apple that we are not happy to pay full price for a 3 year old phone with minor updates every year

Then don't pay. Nobody is forcing you to buy the iPhone. Also it's not a 3 year old iPhone, jesus, just because the design has only changed slightly over time. There's no reason to change an already good design, for the sake of changing the design.

when they are clearly capable of building something far far better

It's called OLED iPhone/X/Edition. Perhaps the new design and features will propagate to other models next year. Maybe that will make you happy?

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Then don't pay. Nobody is forcing you to buy the iPhone. Also it's not a 3 year old iPhone, jesus, just because the design has only changed slightly over time. There's no reason to change an already good design, for the sake of changing the design.

It does keep consumers excited though if a phone looks very different after 3 years. It would be nice if Apple put a bit of effort into delivering a new phone with the 7S. The iPhone 8 is off a large chunk of their customers radar due to the inflated price so the pressure is in to deliver a decent phone to their main customer base. Let's not have another slightly improved iPhone 6 thanks.

 

[Smithwicks]

Wait until the keynote, evaluate the offerings, and make a decision. Worst case scenario you save a nice chunk of change in the "old" 7 or 7 plus if the 7s proves to be an iterative upgrade over the former.

 

[ssrij]

if the 7s proves to be an iterative upgrade over the former.

Guess what? IT WILL BE. It's an S model.

Also, it probably won't be called iPhone 7S, most likely iPhone 8 (and 8+).

OLED iPhone (iPhone 8 Edition) will be the actual big upgrade over iPhone 7.

 

[ET iPhone Home]

I'm going to score myself a Project Red iPhone 7 Plus this week or next and return it if I decide to move forward with an Edition or 7S Plus. That gives me 2 weeks to decide.

 

[mctrials23]

Why buy a new phone over an old phone? Because it will be faster and better, it's a newer phone, DUH.

Yeah its a new phone that will be imperceptibly faster because there is 0 lag in the 7 and you will pay another £300 for that.

Just like iPhone 4S, 5S and 6S. S releases have always been about incremental changes to camera and processor, and one somewhat big feature (Siri, TouchID, 3D Touch, and now wireless charging).

Yeah, just like that 4, 5 and 6 brought a new design and better screen to the table. Wheres the newly designed 7 with a better screen?

Then don't pay. Nobody is forcing you to buy the iPhone. Also it's not a 3 year old iPhone, jesus, just because the design has only changed slightly over time. There's no reason to change an already good design, for the sake of changing the design.

Thats the laziest argument ever. That applies to absolutely every consumer product. This is a discussion forum for people to discus apple products and software. iOS has bugs in it that annoy you? Well don't buy it. You don't like the camera bump design? Don't buy it. Its just a lazy argument when you have nothing actually to say. Oh and its not change for the sake of change is it. Its change for the sake of making a better product. Have apple suddenly decided to embrace OLED and a bezelless design for the sake of it? No.

It's called OLED iPhone/X/Edition. Perhaps the new design and features will propagate to other models next year. Maybe that will make you happy?

I'm not really concerned about next year, I would like them to give us their top phone for a reasonable price this year and not rip us off with another iPhone 6 derivative.

 

[johannnn]

The 7S is rumored to have two cameras at the back, right? Is that enough for it to support portrait photos?
I love taking portrait photos but the 7 Plus is a bit big for me.

 

[44267547]

I'm going to score myself a Project Red iPhone 7 Plus this week or next and return it if I decide to move forward with an Edition or 7S Plus. That gives me 2 weeks to decide.

You could easily resell your Red iPhone in case you're out of return period as well. It's still a popular iPhone with that color. My carrier consistently sells out the Product Red iPhone.

 

[KUKitch]

I think it would probably good to know what the phone actually is before coming up with reasons why, considering we have no actual, real idea what it is