Why buy 7S over 7?

[apolloa]

Yeah, you can get the 7 if you want to stay on iPhone. I was talking to family about how they recommend the 7 over my SE if I want to stick with iPhone for my next phone, but I can't do that to myself because it feels like ancient ergonomics to me. Plus a lot of it feels outdated too: 750p display with a LCD, bulky build, slow charging, etc.

It's not really a bulky build as it's still smaller then all the other high end mass market smartphones. And the screen resolution is alright, could maybe do with being 1080P but at 4.7" it's fine. Plus if they use a higher res screen it means poorer battery life. And toucan use an iPad charger eh charge it up faster.

 

[44267547]

re read my post.

if you are buying for the long term, buying last years model you have effectively lost 1 year of support. essentially you'll need to replace 1 year sooner. i.e., over the life of the device you are spreading your cost over 1-2 years instead of 2-3. so paying 25-30% more for a brand new handset vs last year's model is roughly break even.

I understood your post the first time. But what you're not taking account, is consumers don't think long term in the means of support and They don't have the technological mindset to think "Hmm, I wonder how long my device will be supported." How many consumers do you know that have that type of logic? I would say not many, because The things that they are factoring, is price point of the device and what attracts them to the device ultimately. They're not thinking about iOS support and longevity. Not everyone thinks the way you do, because they don't frequent tech forums to understand all of the above.

Now, take someone like myself who is fairly versed with the iPhone and technology, I would consider my new iPhone purchase with future iOS support, which device I can afford and what features/capabilities are offered that appeal to me. But again, not everyone has the same logic, because everyone's knowledge/understanding will vary.

 

[predation]

You can still get $300 (USD?) for a 5s?

Yup. Trading it in.

 

[rui no onna]

but i've owned iphones since the 3G and seen how software performance on them degrades (even if it is "supported") over time, imho buying an older model is just false economy.

I've also had iPhones since the original. The slowdown actually isn't as bad as it used to be. Even the 5c and 5s are chugging along nicely on iOS 10.3.3. Granted, it's quite possible that the new features on iOS 11 would cause considerable slowdown for the 5s.

Besides, the big depreciation drop usually happens first year. After that, trade-in versus purchase price isn't too bad.

 

[predation]

I would say hardware is up to par to a lot of devices. It's all about UI now.

 

[user1408]

Firstly, Samsung doesn't have thousands of eager customers camping outside their retail stores when a galaxy launches. The iPhone is the phone period. No single series of a smartphone has the market share of iPhone. Samsungs infinity display cost a lot to produce, but they don't have as many people buying that model.
Secondly, they're very few s model leaks. And if you haven't seen any 7s leaks, you really have been not paying attention to the news. Just use google.

They have enough. 60 million or more in sales in the last year's Samsung S7. Yeah, customers camping outside the retail store, cuz they don't have a brain. By the way you think, clearly Apple can sell you a pile of crap and get a thousand out of your pocket, just cuz there's the Apple logo filled with poop. So 60 million on the S7, now imagine how much more they are expecting out of the S8 and N8 line, and you say it don't have as many people buying that model? Let's see how much Apple will sell if they go $999 base model. They will be doomed. I once loved the company, but now they deserve to get ****ed up. Removing everything which made them what they are. The home button, the touchid, the damn headphone jack. And at the same time increasing the price. Good luck. Even that Chinese **** company VIVO demonstrated TouchID within the display and guess how much it will cost when released. About $300. So good luck Apple.

 

[ForumChick]

They have enough. 60 million or more in sales in the last year's Samsung S7. Yeah, customers camping outside the retail store, cuz they don't have a brain. By the way you think, clearly Apple can sell you a pile of crap and get a thousand out of your pocket, just cuz there's the Apple logo filled with poop. So 60 million on the S7, now imagine how much more they are expecting out of the S8 and N8 line, and you say it don't have as many people buying that model? Let's see how much Apple will sell if they go $999 base model. They will be doomed. I once loved the company, but now they deserve to get fked up. Removing everything which made them what they are. The home button, the touchid, the damn headphone jack. And at the same time increasing the price. Good luck. Even that Chinese **** company VIVO demonstrated TouchID within the display and guess how much it will cost when released. About $300. So good luck Apple.

They will sell like hot cakes believe me. Once anything has that apple logo slapped on it it will sell.

 

[user1408]

They will sell like hot cakes believe me. Once anything has that apple logo slapped on it it will sell.

That's why people are stupid.

 

[ForumChick]

That's why people are stupid.

Baaaa, baaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

 

[akash.nu]

Erm, are we really going back to that same old lame name calling?!

 

[SwissGuy93]

First off, the 7S isn't expected to have wireless charging or a glass back. Those rumors are only for the 8.

Second, there are very few rumors about the 7S, so we truly don't know what it will be like.

Sorry, but that is simply not true. There are plenty of reports stating that ALL 2017 iPhones will feature a glass back and wireless charging. And furthermore; the colors would be the same for both lines.
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Well if we follow your logic, they should've pumped the prices of the iPhone years ago just cuz "is more expensive to produce". I bet Samsungs Edge-to-edge infinity display is also not cheap to produce, the wireless charging, iris scanner, IP68 and all of the rest, but they don't put the price to $2000. You're really being an iSheep with that post, no offense.
I'm certainly a loyal iPhone fan, but I am not going to accept the reasoning behind this. Like I said in the past, I still believe Apple won't release a "7S". To me the most viable one is the new expected iPhone (8/pro even call it 7S if u wish) but with two variants one bigger and one smaller. You're saying Apple can charge $2k for it - sure, but it will be their death sentence slowly being developed for sure. Cuz they were late to the party with all of that tech, which will be most likely be full of defects and bugs and we'll have to return it, wait 2 weeks to get a replacement and continue that cycle for months?

Also, to the people who said the 7S (again - if any) is aimed not for the people with 7/7+ but most likely for the older generations I don't think so. I think Apple don't give a crap for the older generations and they are more aimed towards current iPhone owners and potential newcommers to the iPhone. Why? First off, it's their 10th anniversary. It's a memorable moment for them and many others, and on that date you all think they will bump the price of the iPhone instead of making discounts on it? It will be a bad omen. Second, remember the iPhone upgrade program? That also indicates that Apple want's you to upgrade the iPhone and wants to help you doing it. As a fella forum member said, Apple is about mass consumer luxury, not aiming for lower amount of people willing to spend money on the premium phone.
And third, remember the 6S - "The only thing that's changed is everything" ? They can't pull the same trick out their sleeve for a second time. To whoever says there is no difference between the 6/6S/7 I can prove the opposite. The only thing we didn't have is HUGE redesign which is coming NOW. That's why it makes no sense of Apple continuing the same design for 4th year in a row, it won't work out very well. And finally, food for thought: why do you think there are only a very few rumors about the "7s" ? I'll leave that thought to you!

Well, first off; no need to be so aggressiv. Secondly; I don't agree with you. The LCD phone will get a glass back and probably shiny aluminium band (something like the iPhone 4 / 4s).
Now, I agree with you, that there will be problems selling this product with the current front. But there is no indication of there being two sizes of the iPhone 8/Edition this year.
Of course, one could argue, that Apple would be doomed. Now, don't get me wrong, launching a new version of the LCD iPhone is a slippery slope. But I tend to agree with most on here, that they simply will not only have the iPhone 8. There is no way in hell that this will be their only device this year. The constraints will be immense and the fall out would be huge.
My guess is still that there will be something to the LCD iPhone (in terms of features) that we do not yet see in leaks. They need the cheaper iPhone for their iPhone Upgrade Program. They need a successor of the iPhone 7 and 7 Plus and one iPhone 8 will just not be enough for that. The legal ramifications would be enormous.
I think it will pan out like this: The two LCD iPhones (one regular, one plus) will be the main phones, aimed at the normal useres not caring about the bezels (trust me they exist) and for the people in the iPhone Upgrade Program.
The iPhone 8/edition will be the new device, but heavily constrained. They will use that device to field test all the new features and to streamline the production. And then in 2018 Apple will drop the LCD iPhones and introduce a Plus version of the OLED.
Remember when everybody said, that the iPhone 5s would flop because all the other companies had bigger phones? Well it did not come true. With the iPhone 8 Apple will show the world that they still can make the best phone out there, which will be enough for the next year. Even Samsung is sh*tting themselves trying to advance the delivery date of the S9. And trust me; Samsung knows what Apple is doing. They produce their OLED screens. So if Samsung is scared (and they even indicated that in an earnings call earlier this year) then they know why.

 

[dsr2]

I have a 7 and want to move up in size. I am going to see whether the 7s+ has anything unique or special to offer (not particularly into an extraordinary camera). If not, I will pick up the 7+ at a reduced price. If there is something I like about it, I will trade in two iPads and get something off the price and get the 7s+. I can't believe there would be anything so special about the 8 or the anniversary edition that could make me part with close to $1000.

 

[pika2000]

If the 7S has IP68 rating, then it's an obvious choice over the 7. I mean we are sacrificing the headphone jack, so why we didn't go IP68 all the way with the 7? I'm guessing the metal build gave Apple some concerns. Glass is less reactive.

Of course personally I'm keeping my 6S a bit longer. New iPhones are always exciting, but no need to spend a lot of money if I have not even maximize the 6S' capabilities.

 

[akash.nu]

Of course personally I'm keeping my 6S a bit longer. New iPhones are always exciting, but no need to spend a lot of money if I have not even maximize the 6S' capabilities.

This is exactly what I feel but I'm on a 6 and looks like iOS 11 will slow it down a lot, even now I get a bit frustrated with the app refresh rate when brought to foreground.

 

[44267547]

Of course personally I'm keeping my 6S a bit longer. New iPhones are always exciting, but no need to spend a lot of money if I have not even maximize the 6S' capabilities.

I don't think most users don't exercise or utilize all the iPhone capabilities. I know I certainly haven't, and I have owned a lot of smart phones over the years, not just iPhones. I think capabilities are meant to be directed to everybody differently and someone appreciate with what the iPhone can do for them in terms of what they choose to use. The iPhone is a tool, but you don't have to use all those tools to appreciate everything the iPhone has to offer.

 

[CmdrLaForge]

really?

the 7s will have a new SOC which will mean faster, more power efficient processor, faster graphics and it will be supported by apple in software for an additional year.

if you plan to keep a handset for the long run, buying last year's model is stupid.

Agreed. That’s why I get the 7S

 

[eyedoc2020]

More cost effective options like buying an iPhone 7 at much cheaper prices when carriers clear out inventory or e-commerce sites want to reduce their inventories. Android also offers more hardware features for much more affordable prices.

Forget the software for a second: the Galaxy S8 offers an AMOLED screen (high caliber one), Iris Scanner, Facial Detection, FP sensor, water resistance, small body ergonomics, dual curved display, high caliber camera, fast charging, wireless charging, etc for a fraction of the iPhone 8. If people are software agnostic or simply don't hinge on the iOS, they can just spend less and get more for their dollar.

When iPhone users see that, they get tempted to spend $ on a Galaxy rather than continuing in the ecosystem. Let's face it, as much as we may like iOS products, Apple took out some key features to get to the iPhone 8: no FP sensor, no headphone jack. To get water resistance, the Taptic Engine, and dual speakers, Apple may have claimed removing the headphone jack was necessary.

So either, it's pay higher to play harder or you break out of the ecosystem and take your business elsewhere to get "value." Either you put your value towards iPhones for what they are, the ecosystem/software, or you can go more cost effective elsewhere.

Agree with this 100%. You can pick up an unlocked Galaxy S8 right now on Amazon for under $600. A lot of value in that right now.

 

[Geert76]

More cost effective options like buying an iPhone 7 at much cheaper prices when carriers clear out inventory or e-commerce sites want to reduce their inventories. Android also offers more hardware features for much more affordable prices.

Forget the software for a second: the Galaxy S8 offers an AMOLED screen (high caliber one), Iris Scanner, Facial Detection, FP sensor, water resistance, small body ergonomics, dual curved display, high caliber camera, fast charging, wireless charging, etc for a fraction of the iPhone 8. If people are software agnostic or simply don't hinge on the iOS, they can just spend less and get more for their dollar.

When iPhone users see that, they get tempted to spend $ on a Galaxy rather than continuing in the ecosystem. Let's face it, as much as we may like iOS products, Apple took out some key features to get to the iPhone 8: no FP sensor, no headphone jack. To get water resistance, the Taptic Engine, and dual speakers, Apple may have claimed removing the headphone jack was necessary.

So either, it's pay higher to play harder or you break out of the ecosystem and take your business elsewhere to get "value." Either you put your value towards iPhones for what they are, the ecosystem/software, or you can go more cost effective elsewhere.

For the non techie, and people who really value their money, you are so 100% true!

let's see;

here in Europe you can easily get this Samsung S8 for around €550-€600. That would be about 45-50% cheaper then the rumoured €1000+ iPhone 8.
With just like you mentioned, a few / lot more options then the iPhone 8 with it's rumoured feautures.

I really think the majority of iPhone users will seriously think to spend their money on other smartphone brands way under the €1000/$1000+.

Nowadays Android on the Samsung Galaxy line, became really mature, compared to a few years ago. Apple was leading with the OS, as of the S8 not really anymore, their about on par (my 2cts and my own real life experience).

I would say out of that €1000/$1000+ iPhone 8 you are paying about 350-400 for the OS and the eco system, and ofcourse a few hundreds of dollars/euro pure for the fact their is an Apple logo on the back.

Along my iPhone 7, which is eating dust in a drawer, I have the S8. After the last updates, especially the August 1st update, my S8 is flying with hardly any lag/stutters and/or framedrops (Exynos model)
Samsung is really stepping up their game with this S8. Its in no way Samsung from the past anymore.

 

[nutriousmitten]

A very good point made earlier...will Apple drop the 7 and just sell the 7s and 6s (and 6 and SE as value phones as is happening currently) ?

6s only as there is a market for physical mechnial button and a headphone jack, so instead of it getting dropped, it lives on and the 7 goes bye bye.

 

[Patrick P]

I really hope they improve the camera as the camera of the 7 wasn't perfect especially in difficult light compared to the S7 / S8. Are there any information about it?

I really hope they support qi

 

[one more]

A very good point made earlier...will Apple drop the 7 and just sell the 7s and 6s (and 6 and SE as value phones as is happening currently) ?

6s only as there is a market for physical mechnial button and a headphone jack, so instead of it getting dropped, it lives on and the 7 goes bye bye.

And that physical home button is an Achilles' heel for any iPhone older than 7. The major mechanical home button problems came when they introduced a fingerprint scanner into it, with its extra physical layers. This is when people started complaining about empty (no actual function activating) crackling clicks, etc.

Selling iPhone 8 at a premium (expensive) price, 7S at current price of 7 and giving people 6S as the “lower cost” option will effectively keep 6S at the same or very similar price point as it is now, as it is already at the bottom of their 4,7” price list and 6 is no longer sold by Apple. If they do this, it might surprise many people and not in a nice way.

Besides, 6S is not water resistant, has no fusion chip and has an inferior camera, compared to 7. And Apple like showing off iPhone photos.

So dropping 7 out would be a weird scenario, imo.

I expect Apple to keep their iPhone 2017 line-up as follows:

iPhone 8 - the most expensive one
iPhone 7S - current 7 pricing
iPhone 7 - current 6S pricing
iPhone SE - no price change until a refresh, if any.

 

[44267547]

I really hope they improve the camera as the camera of the 7 wasn't perfect especially in difficult light compared to the S7 / S8. Are there any information about it?

I really hope they support qi

That's actually one feature I would like to see improved from the iPhone 7 camera is low light photography. It's not horrible by any means, but is easily An area for improvement.

 

[Superrjamz54]

I don't think that $1000+ for a phone with a comparable screen to a $600 android device and cameras that will be similar to said android device is value for money. If it was $800-$850 I wouldn't mind the apple tax but $1000 is far too much considering what the competition is putting out for far far less.



Personally I think the 7S will be just as bad value for money simply due to the outdated screen, massive bezel design. In 2017 apple should be releasing an iPhone like the 8 as their bread and butter device, not some uber expensive phone that relegates most Apple customers to buying essentially a 3 year old phone with boring updated internals. Samsung are doing what apple should be doing which is depressing.

Tell Samsung to sell Apple some more screens or force other manufacturers to make them. This is the reason that Apple can't totally switch to AMOled. By the way, there is nothing really unique about the s8 it's an updated s3 after all.
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More cost effective options like buying an iPhone 7 at much cheaper prices when carriers clear out inventory or e-commerce sites want to reduce their inventories. Android also offers more hardware features for much more affordable prices.

Forget the software for a second: the Galaxy S8 offers an AMOLED screen (high caliber one), Iris Scanner, Facial Detection, FP sensor, water resistance, small body ergonomics, dual curved display, high caliber camera, fast charging, wireless charging, etc for a fraction of the iPhone 8. If people are software agnostic or simply don't hinge on the iOS, they can just spend less and get more for their dollar.

When iPhone users see that, they get tempted to spend $ on a Galaxy rather than continuing in the ecosystem. Let's face it, as much as we may like iOS products, Apple took out some key features to get to the iPhone 8: no FP sensor, no headphone jack. To get water resistance, the Taptic Engine, and dual speakers, Apple may have claimed removing the headphone jack was necessary.

So either, it's pay higher to play harder or you break out of the ecosystem and take your business elsewhere to get "value." Either you put your value towards iPhones for what they are, the ecosystem/software, or you can go more cost effective elsewhere.

Same AMOled screen that the 8 will get. It's even the same manufacturer. Samsungs facial recognition is a joke. Piece of **** technology that didn't work 10'years ago brought back because their designers were incapable of placing a fingerprint scanner in a good location. Removing the headphone jack was for the haptic engine and Android manufacturers introduced that feature first. The S8 is nice but the US version uses the 835 which is slower then the apple chip in the iPhone 7 and has to run the Touchpizz the single worst GUI on top of Android.

 

[nviz22]

Tell Samsung to sell Apple some more screens or force other manufacturers to make them. This is the reason that Apple can't totally switch to AMOled. By the way, there is nothing really unique about the s8 it's an updated s3 after all.
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Same AMOled screen that the 8 will get. It's even the same manufacturer. Samsungs facial recognition is a joke. Piece of **** technology that didn't work 10'years ago brought back because their designers were incapable of placing a fingerprint scanner in a good location. Removing the headphone jack was for the haptic engine and Android manufacturers introduced that feature first. The S8 is nice but the US version uses the 835 which is slower then the apple chip in the iPhone 7 and has to run the Touchpizz the single worst GUI on top of Android.

Soak yourself in bias more please. And don't make excuses for Apple. Moving the headphone jack was a cash grab and pure laziness.

 

[Superrjamz54]

Soak yourself in bias more please. And don't make excuses for Apple. Moving the headphone jack was a cash grab and pure laziness.

Laziness is using the same old feature year after year and never changing with the times. Laziness is also blaming one company for so thing that was done first by multiple other companies. Haven't used a jack in years. Long before Apple rightly removed it. I guess in your little world a Apple is the only Bluetooth headset manufacturer also?