Why can't people just admit the iPad 2 is still just a big iPod Touch?

[pdqgp]

lol ... Tablets have a long way to go before they compete with desktops

The intent of tablets in business isn't to replace or compete with desktops, net books or notebook computers. They are about a simple user interface with very specific tasks in mind and an OS that keeps things simple. WOW...surprisingly similar to how Apple positioned the iPad. At the core is the application being targeted, not the hardware they begin with.

Calidude would understand that if he worked in an operating room or ever interfaced with the medical community or public service jobs like firefighters or the police...all of whom I've sold tablet based systems into. I can tell you stories of the competition who came in there thinking like him. The same sh-it products only a little better, faster but hardly at all innovative or more valuable to the end user.

 

[Apple OC]

Explain why your MBP's OS is in beta form right now adopting elements of iOS.

Face it. Your MBP will be replaced by an iPad Pro some day.

a Tablet some day? ... many many moons from now

 

[alust2013]

Nope.



Never said that. I always said the only difference was size of the screen.

I quoted you saying that. The UI of the iPad is not literally the iPod expanded to fill a bigger screen. It's far more detailed. The point of 4. was that the iPad made it easier to use than the iPod touch, which is exactly what you said. Please just do us a favor and stop. You're not winning or going to win.

 

[Calidude]

Abstraction and restriction put on the file system by Apple has absolutely no bearing on the classification of the ipad as a tablet.

Sure it does. A tablet without a filesystem is simply not a tablet, and that's just one of the things it needs to be a tablet.

 

[fertilized-egg]

Please just do us a favor and stop. You're not winning or going to win.

What I've gathered from him is basically:

A tablet should contain features as set by Calidude. Otherwise it's not a true tablet and others should accept that as a fact. If they cannot accept that as a fact they are in denial.

 

[pdqgp]

I quoted Please just do us a favor and stop. You're not winning or going to win.

No, please, let Calidude continue. He still has about 4-5 questions awaiting an answer.

 

[alust2013]

Explain why your MBP's OS is in beta form right now adopting elements of iOS.

Face it. Your MBP will be replaced by an iPad Pro some day. Not next year, but probably next decade or two.

A. what elements of iOS that pertain to a tablet are being adopted in Lion?

B. I would very, very quickly switch back to windows or whoever if the only option I had was all touch. It's just not intuitive, period. Sure, a combination wouldn't be terrible, but please go write an essay on an iPad, then retype on a MBP and tell me the iPad is easier/faster.

 

[Calidude]

I quoted you saying that. The UI of the iPad is not literally the iPod expanded to fill a bigger screen. It's far more detailed. The point of 4. was that the iPad made it easier to use than the iPod touch, which is exactly what you said. Please just do us a favor and stop. You're not winning or going to win.

I said the iPad's screen size made it easier to use and that's it. You are lying just like the other guy.

 

[NateJamesMeyers]

uhuhhhh

Can you use an iPod Touch to make a complete song using Garage Band? Or a movie using iMovie (Which is what i plan to use mine for)?

garageband is cool... to bad the cameras are only .9 MP and .3 MP.... not much in the way of image quality.

 

[pdqgp]

Sure it does. A tablet without a filesystem is simply not a tablet, and that's just one of the things it needs to be a tablet.

So says Microsoft circa 2001 You're funny. Ever sold Electronic Medical Records? I didn't think so. Again, old school thinking.

 

[Calidude]

What I've gathered from him is basically:

A tablet should contain features as set by Calidude. Otherwise it's not a true tablet and others should accept that as a fact. If they cannot accept that as a fact they are in denial.

There's 18 other people agreeing with me, so you should include them too.

 

[alust2013]

Sure it does. A tablet without a filesystem is simply not a tablet, and that's just one of the things it needs to be a tablet.

Are you like some authority on tablets? Why not make your own company to make such tablets?

I said the iPad's screen size made it easier to use and that's it. You are lying just like the other guy.

No, I'm really not. He said that the screen size made it easier to use, just in more fancy language.

 

[pdqgp]

garageband is cool... to bad the cameras are only .9 MP and .3 MP.... not much in the way of image quality.

plenty of image quality for their intended use on their targeted network though. Skype works great.

 

[Calidude]

A. what elements of iOS that pertain to a tablet are being adopted in Lion?

http://www.appleinsider.com/article...on_bringing_ios_features_back_to_the_mac.html

B. I would very, very quickly switch back to windows or whoever if the only option I had was all touch. It's just not intuitive, period. Sure, a combination wouldn't be terrible, but please go write an essay on an iPad, then retype on a MBP and tell me the iPad is easier/faster.

Touch isn't intuitive? Oh man, don't look for a job in computer interfaces.

 

[pdqgp]

There's 18 other people agreeing with me, so you should include them too.

last we checked they weren't blocked from going beyond a simple checkbox.

 

[alust2013]

http://www.appleinsider.com/article...on_bringing_ios_features_back_to_the_mac.html


Touch isn't intuitive? Oh man, don't look for a job in computer interfaces.

Touch is intuitive for certain tasks, but not as the sole form of input.

And from the article that you just posted:

Jobs said that touchscreens don't work when in front of a user, which is why devices like the iPhone and iPad are successful. Given that, Jobs said Macs will stick with products like the trackpad and Magic Mouse for input.

"This is how we're going to use multi-touch on our Mac products," he said.

Pretty sure that means that touch isn't the only form of input. There's nothing that would be better on a tablet from 10.6 to 10.7. The multitouch gestures are designed for a trackpad, not a touchscreen.

 

[Calidude]

No, I'm really not. He said that the screen size made it easier to use, just in more fancy language.

Nope, he never mentioned size. Form =/= size.

I'm gonna take a break from all this fanboyism and knock down more pathetic arguments later. Till next time.

 

[LoganT]

You obviously didn't read my first post.

No, I did. You said this

That's fine if you want that, but if you want a tablet, you should wait for the iPad 3 with iOS5 because thats when Apple will start rolling out features and hardware that would actually let a person BEGIN to replace a netbook in terms of functionality.

You imply in that sentence the only way someone is going to get iOS 5 is if they wait for the iPad 3. The evidence shows that isn't true.

 

[fertilized-egg]

last we checked they weren't blocked from going beyond a simple checkbox.

Actually his logic is just perplexing. Two choices are:

- Yes, it's a big iPod Touch.
- No, it's how a tablet should function today.

So it's either "Tablet as Calidude's way"
or otherwise it's not a true tablet and a big iPod Touch.

It's a simple case of false dichotomy. There's the true tablet with file system and whatever else Calidude wants. If they don't have those features, it's a big iPod Touch. And he'll use those people who clicked on the first choice to prove that people actually support "The Calidude's way of true tablet." If it's not A, then it must B.

 

[NateJamesMeyers]

so yaaa

I sure wish I could come up with an argument ender.. this is the best I can do. There is absolutely no reason why a person would need an ipad. it does some REALLY COOL things but theres nothing you NEED it for. The only reason to get one is because you want one and feel rich enough to justify $500. To the anti ipad people on here, just look at those bathtub versus pool arguments because those make sense. nooo reason in the world you NEED a swimming pool but plenty of reasons to want one.

 

[alust2013]

Nope, he never mentioned size. Form =/= size.

I'm gonna take a break from all this fanboyism and knock down more pathetic arguments later. Till next time.

Form definitely does involve size, you just didn't use the exact words that the other poster did. You're splitting hairs trying to prove a losing argument, and ignoring everything meaningful that is said.

I sure wish I could come up with an argument ender.. this is the best I can do. There is absolutely no reason why a person would need an ipod touch. it does some REALLY COOL things but theres nothing you NEED it for. The only reason to get one is because you want one and feel rich enough to justify $500. To the anti ipad people on here, just look at those bathtub versus pool arguments because those make sense. nooo reason in the world you NEED a swimming pool but plenty of reasons to want one.

I think everyone here agrees with you, save CaliDude. We have all been trying to end this argument, but everything that logically should, gets ignored.

 

[Apple OC]

There's 18 other people agreeing with me, so you should include them too.

Those 18 people are also confused in thinking the iPod is just a small iPad

 

[grawk]

You have to admit, trolling is a great way to get a high postcount.

You're right, the ipad (and ipad 2) are just bigger, faster ipod touches.

Thankfully, the size make them more usable and more practical. The ipad is a remarkably useful device, given it's size and weight. The ipod touch is ALSO a remarkably useful device, given IT'S size and weight. If I have to be away from a power supply all day, I'm glad I've got my ipad. It does the vast majority of what I need to get done, so I can leave my laptop in my car, and just grab it when I absolutely need it. And the really great thing is, when I'm on my own time, but I'm still on call, I can bring my iphone, and use THAT to get work done in an emergency, so that I'm not tethered to either the ipad OR the laptop (or god forbid my desktop).

So go back under your bridge.

 

[vincenz]

Because it was last year's joke.

 

[lespaul85]

Hardware-wise, it's pretty much a large itouch. Application-wise though it's completely different. There's 2 things that make this totally different:

1) web browsing: No need to almost ever zoom in. Sure, that's just a matter of scaling up size(so not really against your point but worth mentioning), but by itself is half the reason to have this

2) Applications: Apps are specifically written and optimized for ipad. I've owned the samsung galaxy tab but ended up selling it because it sucked since apps were not optimized for tablet use. They were just blown up phone apps except for a select few. With the iPad, apps are almost always designed to take advantage of the extra real estate with regards to menu placement, additional buttons, and extra functionality to take use of the size. If they were just upsized apps for the most part (aside from games where it matters less), then there would be an argument it's just a "big" itouch.

There's of course other benefits. Like netflix... Movies are far better on the big screen, and I've used both on airplanes. No comparison there for which one I prefer. Also, it's truely a "tablet" when I use VNC apps to get into my computers at home. It's not very fun or easy to use without a mouse/keyboard, but gets the job done and I've taken care of many production issues from the comfort of my lowly "upsized itouch"... And if you jailbreak it, there's plenty of other options to open up its functionality.