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Why did Apple remove design from iOS 7?
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In some specific cases perhaps, but in an overall sense, not really. It was more likely due to the fact that Android finally matured enough to be a more comprehensive, user friendly, and dare I say polished OS since about 4.1 (Jelly Bean). Furthermore, Android phones (the hardware) finally became better as well (not really even factoring in that quite a few of them are cheaper than iPhones too). It all happened around the time of the iPhone 5 release, so it might seem like it was somehow related to iPhone 5 being bad in some way (which it hasn't been), but it's more related to Android, both in terms of software and hardware, becoming better and good enough for more and more people right around the same general time period.
Lets also not forget the negative press Apple gets on a regular basis. Don't think that constant negativity doesn't eventually cause a change in customer mindshare. I'm not suggesting none of it is warranted or that Apple isn't partially to blame for being silent and not taking control of the narrative. But when you hear a constant drumbeat of Apple is doomed, Apple sucks, Apple doesn't innovate anymore, etc. it might steer someone to a non Apple product.
Android is far from matured and user friendly. I had a Nexus 7 for about six months because I was holding out on the iPad but I had nothing but frustration with it.
Can't connect it to a computer easily.
Can't manage your iTunes easily.
Can't put videos on it easily.
Little to *no* support, so good luck trying to fix any problems.
Finally gave up, got rid of it, and got an iPad Mini.
Apple pretty much has to fight the battles on multiple fronts but the most troubling is the fact that, essentially, every tech blog and video podcast has given up on the notion of reporting tech news and have just become pretty much the PR wing of Google.
They'll be so quick to report on, in a negative light, anything that Apple does yet, when it comes to Google or Samsung, they'll rush to be the first for every little thing they do and not hesitate to shill relentlessly for it.
I was at the car dealer yesterday. Test drove a beautiful SUV. Great gas mileage, comfortable, well made. But I cannot stand the symbol on the heated seats button so I am taking my business elsewhere.
Really not the sales figures I've seen both did very well.
I for one am glad they did away with the double sided glass.
The subject of this ticket really makes my head hurt. As some have already stated, you cannot "remove design". That doesn't even make sense. They have designed iOS 7 to have a lot of white space, minimal buttons, and so forth, but it has been DESIGNED that way. It is impossible to "remove design".
I happen to love iOS 7's design, look, feel, whatever you want to call it. I like a minimal approach. Example- The frosted glass/transparencies. When I'm on the home screen, if I swipe to get notification center or control center, the frosted glass takes the look and feel that I have dictated by setting a picture for the background. That is good design, or at least I like it.
I was at the car dealer yesterday. Test drove a beautiful SUV. Great gas mileage, comfortable, well made. But I cannot stand the symbol on the heated seats button so I am taking my business elsewhere.
haha my wife nags on me when I do that sometimes but hey... its your money and there is choice for a reason.
I've been trying to figure out the purpose of the frosting for some time. I'm sure it's not just decorative.
I think it's intended to denote interaction with the OS (as opposed to interaction with an app). The translucent frosting tells you that you're interacting with the device on a different plane (both functionally and visually). That's quite clever if true.
Of course my theory is blown out of the water if apps can use frosting! Can any app devs confirm/deny that?
Other companies like Google are good at sucking you know what whereas Apple doesn't do that. And I think the coverage reflects it. For instance once Google started giving the Verge lots of love the Verge's coverage of Apple went in the toilet. I uses to frequent that site but hardly ever go there now because their biases are so blatant (and the quality of their reporting has gone way down hill).
Anyway unless Apple is willing to make these tech writers and other media pundits feel more important than they really are the press coverage will continue to be negative.
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I was at the car dealer yesterday. Test drove a beautiful SUV. Great gas mileage, comfortable, well made. But I cannot stand the symbol on the heated seats button so I am taking my business elsewhere.
What I find so amusing is how often here do we hear about people moving all the Apple stock apps in a folder because they never use them. Ok if you're sticking them in a folder because you don't use them why do you care what the icons look like as you'll hardly ever see them?!?
lol a random joe on the internet called out apple? wow that's a first huh?
you are a consumer....you can choose what you buy. If apple has done you wrong, go elsewhere.
you're complaining about design? Go look at a galaxy s3 home screen.....wow that's pure design at its best!
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Those of you who are constantly arguing every point in favor of Apple strike me as odd. Brand loyalty is awesome - at what point does it become obsession or even religion? It's okay to criticize Apple. Believing and arguing that every decision the company makes is perfect is strange.
Those of you who threaten to jump to Android... go ahead. I tried it and didn't like it as much as the iPhone. There were many great things I did enjoy - ultimately the Apple ecosystem pulled me back. Why threaten? Just do it.
I believe there is much to be positive about in the beta version of the new operating system. There are also negatives.
Apple is going for a clean, understated modern look. I believe they are on the right path. Saying that they removed the design is going too far. Saying that they have achieved success with their new look isn't accurate either.
I do believe Apple still has a way to go to make this design as intuitive as OS 6. The color scheme should be tweaked a bit so that it is more universally accepted. Some of the icons could be rethought too - not all of them though.
Apple needs to find a reason to substantiate the new look and design changes. In the final version of OS7 the design should be more intuitive, legible, user friendly, creative and beautiful than previous incarnations.
Otherwise all of the changes are just eye candy.
Those of you who are constantly arguing every point in favor of Apple strike me as odd. Brand loyalty is awesome - at what point does it become obsession or even religion? It's okay to criticize Apple. Believing and arguing that every decision the company makes is perfect is strange.
Those of you who threaten to jump to Android... go ahead. I tried it and didn't like it as much as the iPhone. There were many great things I did enjoy - ultimately the Apple ecosystem pulled me back. Why threaten? Just do it.
I believe there is much to be positive about in the beta version of the new operating system. There are also negatives.
Apple is going for a clean, understated modern look. I believe they are on the right path. Saying that they removed the design is going too far. Saying that they have achieved success with their new look isn't accurate either.
I do believe Apple still has a way to go to make this design as intuitive as OS 6. The color scheme should be tweaked a bit so that it is more universally accepted. Some of the icons could be rethought too - not all of them though.
Apple needs to find a reason to substantiate the new look and design changes. In the final version of OS7 the design should be more intuitive, legible, user friendly, creative and beautiful than previous incarnations.
Otherwise all of the changes are just eye candy.
I love how people state their opinions as though they're fact. Some people will like iOS 7, others won't. Doesn't make one right and the other wrong. And just because someone likes it doesn't make them some blind fanboy who refuses to ever fault Apple. Also not everyone that doesn't like it is some Apple hating troll. Any redesign was going to be polarizing. Apple knows that and is willing to live with the consequences.
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And honestly since none of us are forced to use Apple products they don't owe us a damn thing. Apple doesn't have to justify what they do to anyone. If you don't like it you're free to purchase other products. Apple is not putting a gun to your head forcing you to purchase an iOS device.
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And honestly since none of us are forced to use Apple products they don't owe us a damn thing. Apple doesn't have to justify what they do to anyone. If you don't like it you're free to purchase other products. Apple is not putting a gun to your head forcing you to purchase an iOS device.
Yes.
You know how many people I have seen switch away from iOS to Android? About four too many. Why? Because iPhone 5 was a bust. It lost badly to Galaxy S3 on the "what makes people want it" scale: screen size, ease of use, maps functionality, NFC, Bluetooth game controllers, ease of changing the screen brightness, ability to run emulators, openness of the platform, all these things were perceived as Apple losing its technical leadership and edge, not listening to its customers, etc.
I didn't upgrade to the iPhone 5 because it isn't Gorilla Glass on both sides. I am still waiting to see if they fix that in the 5S, or go with Liquidmetal or something that won't scratch so easily. We people are fickle. Jobs understood that more than anyone... I think it was because he went to college with a bunch of whiny Reedies. Nobody whines about little details and thinks it's their goal in life to pick apart and analyze everything that seems unimportant to most people more than over-privileged, white, west-coast, too-smart-for-their-own-good, over-caffeinated, liberal arts students.
This is a WAR. Apple has to do more than throw out some Emperor's New Clothes crap, because people WILL call BS on it, and walk away in a heartbeat. I think it's taking Cupertino too long to realize that it's not 2010 anymore. The days of Apple being better because they are Apple, and everyone just knowing and accepting that de facto, are over.
Apple always does best from the underdog position; they make a terrible top dog. They just don't know how to not become lame and self-important. Like that recent add where they gloat about how perfectionist if they are. They need to remember this is a war and that they need to fight tooth and nail for their customers.
iOS's biggest advantage today is SPEED. There is quite simply far less lag in apps, which is especially noticeable in music apps, due to iOS's core design (no garbage collection, very little background processes). But Apple never mentions this in ads. How is iOS 7 going to improve/maintain the constant 60 FPS people are accustomed to?
iOS is also less prone to viruses, spyware, and background processes killing your battery... but you never see Apple promote that, either.
Remember the Mac vs. PC ads? Where's that spirit again? I see Samsung running ads making fun of Apple fans in line when the Galaxy is the real next big thing, as they claim.
So what does Apple promote as better about its platform? What will it say when iOS 7 hits?
I want it to highlight all the technical advantages, tell us why TextKit makes it better for publishers to make magazine apps that render layout programmatically; tell us what's cool about Beacons; tell us how border less buttons let you make the text of the button bigger so it's easier to see; tell us what percentage iOS 7's battery life is better than Galaxy by; tell us how much less interface lag there is than a Galaxy S4; tell us why it's BETTER.
Apple's in my blood and so I fight for Apple, but I am also a harsh critic of Apple because they are in my blood.
So when I called out Apple on iOS 7's plainness in this thread I did not intend that as an indictment but more so, I want to know that iOS 7 has a damn good reason for all these changes, that it's going to make iOS better and why, that the reasons are technical also, and not just aesthetic.
Nope Iphone 5 sold more than gs3. Try actually backing up ur argument with facts. http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/iphone-5-crowned-the-world-s-best-selling-smartphone In fact, the 4s sold more, which is really sad considering the 4s came out in 2011.
Yes.
You know how many people I have seen switch away from iOS to Android? About four too many. Why? Because iPhone 5 was a bust. It lost badly to Galaxy S3 on the "what makes people want it" scale: screen size, ease of use, maps functionality, NFC, Bluetooth game controllers, ease of changing the screen brightness, ability to run emulators, openness of the platform, all these things were perceived as Apple losing its technical leadership and edge, not listening to its customers, etc.
I didn't upgrade to the iPhone 5 because it isn't Gorilla Glass on both sides. I am still waiting to see if they fix that in the 5S, or go with Liquidmetal or something that won't scratch so easily. We people are fickle. Jobs understood that more than anyone... I think it was because he went to college with a bunch of whiny Reedies. Nobody whines about little details and thinks it's their goal in life to pick apart and analyze everything that seems unimportant to most people more than over-privileged, white, west-coast, too-smart-for-their-own-good, over-caffeinated, liberal arts students.
This is a WAR. Apple has to do more than throw out some Emperor's New Clothes crap, because people WILL call BS on it, and walk away in a heartbeat. I think it's taking Cupertino too long to realize that it's not 2010 anymore. The days of Apple being better because they are Apple, and everyone just knowing and accepting that de facto, are over.
Apple always does best from the underdog position; they make a terrible top dog. They just don't know how to not become lame and self-important. Like that recent add where they gloat about how perfectionist if they are. They need to remember this is a war and that they need to fight tooth and nail for their customers.
iOS's biggest advantage today is SPEED. There is quite simply far less lag in apps, which is especially noticeable in music apps, due to iOS's core design (no garbage collection, very little background processes). But Apple never mentions this in ads. How is iOS 7 going to improve/maintain the constant 60 FPS people are accustomed to?
iOS is also less prone to viruses, spyware, and background processes killing your battery... but you never see Apple promote that, either.
Remember the Mac vs. PC ads? Where's that spirit again? I see Samsung running ads making fun of Apple fans in line when the Galaxy is the real next big thing, as they claim.
So what does Apple promote as better about its platform? What will it say when iOS 7 hits?
I want it to highlight all the technical advantages, tell us why TextKit makes it better for publishers to make magazine apps that render layout programmatically; tell us what's cool about Beacons; tell us how border less buttons let you make the text of the button bigger so it's easier to see; tell us what percentage iOS 7's battery life is better than Galaxy by; tell us how much less interface lag there is than a Galaxy S4; tell us why it's BETTER.
Apple's in my blood and so I fight for Apple, but I am also a harsh critic of Apple because they are in my blood.
So when I called out Apple on iOS 7's plainness in this thread I did not intend that as an indictment but more so, I want to know that iOS 7 has a damn good reason for all these changes, that it's going to make iOS better and why, that the reasons are technical also, and not just aesthetic.
I agree with non-indented paragraph 10. Never mind, apple isn't in my blood.
BS. Just because the design is different or you don't like it doesn't mean it lacks design or there was no thought behind it. Stop throwing out opinions as objective fact.
How was dvir971's statement objective fact? Not every sentence needs to be prefaced with "I think..." in order for it to be clear that it's an opinion.
No texture. No background. No effect. No color. Just blue on white. That's it. 2D symbols, 2D apps, blank backgrounds.
I don't call that a "design". I bet a first year student can make something like that. Now the iOS 6, THAT'S desgin
You really should apply with apple. They need your help and would snag you up in a country minute.
I hope you are right.
I have already made my decision about Apple, since owning my first Mac in 2001 - I know there are others who've been with Apple since longer, but I think I can regard myself as someone who's been fan of Apple for very long.
It's all about Mint/Ubuntu and Andriod/UbuntuTouch for me now. Jony Ive's raise to power and mini-jobs (Forstall's) departure have been Apple's failure to me.
Sorry Tim.. GTFO
The thing is though, to kids born today in 2013, the leather, legal pad, etc wont feel like anything because they will never have seen any thing like that.
Thank you bro, I feel at peace now. I will just copy your post and quote you as the source everytime I need to reply to a post here.
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How many times are you going to post the same thing? You have already ruined one thread doing this, where you could not grasp that people were pointing out specific usability issues with ios7, not just whining about a new style they can't get used to.
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