I feel iOS 7 will just go down as a minor brain fart kind of thing. One of those things where you look back and say wow remember when Apple tried that? By IOS 8 they should have it refined a lot better. Kind of like windows 7 and vista. (Forgot which came first just now) but it is the same premise where one followed the other and the second one was a refined version of the first. Anyhow, in short. I believe this os will force apple back to the drawing board sooner than expected.
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Why did Apple remove design from iOS 7?
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Now that makes sense.
Yep. Subtler colors would help differentiate some icons. Photos and Game Center look remarkably similar at first glance.
Roll on iOS 8 with its new improved palette.
Well that explanation is wrong. Buttons already expands to fit the text in iOS. Just look at iOS 6 for the iPad and iPad mini. Some text are hidden if they are near another element. For example: Photo ga... But this even look better if this happens within a button than text on side of text like in iOS 7. If you release a phone with a larger screen buttons could adjust properly just fine. The only problem would be smaller screen sizes but text has the same limitations as buttons here and would look worse.
LOL.
Ive has no taste when it comes to interface design. In the olden days Steve filtered / chose the changes and implementations - with taste. I bet he probably had 100 different design proposals from Ive (from wacky hardware desings to the nice ones we see know in the current MBA, MBP. iPhone, etc). Jony now does whatever he wants and probably needs a boss to tell him: "Your design is **** to the majority of users, whilst others praise it. Still, we cannot have customers divided and hating each other as a consequence of your design."
They should just roll out the design changes gradually with each release of iOS, not everything in one go. Facebook for example rolls out their changes in design gradually - they've learnt this the hard way.
Nonetheless, Android is looking very attractive to me. I'm waiting for the realease of Nexus 5- I can't take the direction Apple is heading.
Thanks for telling me you like Android, you have no idea how much I've been waiting for you to tell me that.
When you said "majority" I think you meant "minority" almost everyone loves iOS7 new look, of course, they don't come to this forums praising and starting new threads, just because 200 trolls (like you) start threads with "hate iOS7" doesn't mean a thing, trust me, the other 5 million people don't care, and are the ones that will buy 5 million iPhones next september/october.
Good for you with the Nexus 5, so I guess you will leave MacRumors and go to NexusRumors.com LOL
You can't claim that almost everyone likes iOS 7s look anymore than he can claim that the majority don't like it. The fact is that only a very select group of people -- iOS developers and enthusiasts -- have seen iOS 7 right now. So until iOS 7 is released to the general public in the fall, nobody knows if the majority will like it, hate it, or be indifferent.
No, I'm not thinking you are claiming everyone likes iOS 7. You are claiming "almost everyone," that is, the majority of people likes it. And I'm saying you can't make that claim, because at this point, not many people have actually seen or used iOS 7.
Really?? come on dude, I think you are smarter than that.
You think I'm talking about the people who hasn't seen it?
Well, you did predict that 5 million people will buy the new iPhone when it comes out. Obviously, 5 million people haven't seen iOS 7 yet.
Have you not seen the news? that's how many iPhone are sold the first day.
Let me clear "almost" for you.
Simple math and common sense to get us some perspective.
900,000 apps in the App Store, let's say 5 apps per developer on average, each developer has up to 100 UDID's, let's say they use 10 for betas.
900,000 / 5 = 180,000 developers
180,000 * 10 = 1,800,000 people testing iOS7 (and I'm leaving out everyone that's not registered)
So, 200 people that create hateful threads about iOS7 is not a lot, and when I say "almost everyone" I'm referring to the close to 2 million people that have tried iOS 7.
Okay, interesting math. I hadn't quite thought about it that way. But that is a really interesting number. So nearly two million people could be using iOS 7 right now, just counting legitimate developers? That's a lot!
The fact that they changed the font gives me some hope here. Obviously, they're listening, and there has been a loud chorus of complaints about the amateurish icons.
So why haven't we seen new ones yet? I assume it's much quicker and easier to change a font than to design a whole new set of icons. I hope that even as we speak they've got some top-notch graphic designers turning out a new set of icons, and that we'll see them a few betas from now, or maybe in the GM.
Because it actually has EVERYTHING to do with what you said. Think... read it a few times, or watch Mr Rams on YouTube
"Good design is as little design as possible"
Work it out
it actually has nothing to do with it. Rams isn't talking about zero design. He's saying it shouldn't look designed. If someone notices the design first, you've done a bad job. Great design is invisible. I've watched lots of Rams and really don't need your condescending wink.
The OP isn't talking about no design in the same way as Rams is. Read his posts and you'll see that.
That's a clear and succinct restatement of Rams' design philosophy, but I do think iOS 7 looks like it was designed by someone taking Rams too literally. For instance, instead of having buttons that are unobtrusive and don't call attention to themselves, that is, buttons that look like they haven't been designed, there are NO buttons. Instead, there's just text.
Yeah, hope so. There are four huge problems with iOS 7. The icons, the dock, the notes app and the UIpickerview. There are also some inconsintency with the font. Some headlines in the iTunes store are bold when some headlines in the Appstore is regular. What I can see are also input fields label text in the calendar regular when it used to be bold in iOS 6. I would also like to see them tweak the clock design. The old design for that swizz clock was great.
Me, icons aren't my biggest problem, legibility is. So if all the legibility issues are resolved to my satisfaction, I'll use iOS 7 even if the icons don't change. If the legibility issues still persist, I'll stay on iOS 6. In fact, I'll probably stay on iOS 6 anyway, because all my devices are jailbroken, and I like the jailbroken tweaks better than Command Center.
It wasn't. They just change the style of design they are using to something that you don't care for.
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They are five star for what they do, not how they look. Which, having used many of them, I find to be over the top and bloated. Much of the 'design' is unneeded.
You will disagree. That's why it is an opinion, not a fact
When you signed up to be a developer you were told straight up that Apple could change the rules at any time, be they design or anything else and you said that was okay and you get that you will have to change your stuff to fit the rules or risk having your apps cut from the store with no recourse or appeal.
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Or not, because the general public doesn't share the opinions of the geeks that post on a site like this.
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Such a thing also has cultural bias to it. Apple would rather a text based indicator than deal with possible issues because a red button has some negative connotation somewhere so they have to change all the red buttons to blue ones for these areas.
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There is that also
1. The reason the design is flat is because it stands out less and gets out of the way of the content.
The two designs, A) "flat" and B) "pop" as labeled to separate the two types.
2. The two designs will inevitably become boring. This is a fact of using it over time and indubitably you will get bored of it whether its A or B as far as aesthetics, it will be played out.
3. Knowing 2 is a fact, you will de-consider the idea of making it look good and instead give precedence to the idea of making it stand out less. Which reverts back to 1.
The flat design just blends out better.
People will forget about it after awhile anyway and only appreciate the benefits. Indeed by this mere subtraction it steers you towards the benefits/content. It also seems to be getting better and better with the bolded fonts and other small changes so its already less harsh. The subtle benefits are slowly becoming apparent.
The two designs, A) "flat" and B) "pop" as labeled to separate the two types.
2. The two designs will inevitably become boring. This is a fact of using it over time and indubitably you will get bored of it whether its A or B as far as aesthetics, it will be played out.
3. Knowing 2 is a fact, you will de-consider the idea of making it look good and instead give precedence to the idea of making it stand out less. Which reverts back to 1.
The flat design just blends out better.
People will forget about it after awhile anyway and only appreciate the benefits. Indeed by this mere subtraction it steers you towards the benefits/content. It also seems to be getting better and better with the bolded fonts and other small changes so its already less harsh. The subtle benefits are slowly becoming apparent.
Developers had to redesign their applications to support the iPhone 4S, iPhone 5, iPad (original), and iPad Retina. No redesign was necessary for the iPad Mini because it uses the same resolution as the original iPad.
Under IOS6, developers would have to redesign their apps -- which generally incorporate bitmap-based buttons and other UI elements which don't scale -- if Apple released a 4.2" iPhone, 4.7" iPhone, 10.5+" iPad, and/or 16:9 and 16:10 iPads with higher resolution screens. By moving iOS7.X and iOS application developers to vector-based UI designs (I.e., text and hopefully vector-based graphical elements) and away from bitmap-based designs, Apple can largely eliminate the need for developers to rewrite/update their apps for new, higher resolution screens.
This would give Apple more flexibility to release new phones, phablets, iPads, watches, glasses, and/or TVs with higher resolution screens. It would also allow Apple to scale their apps to a variety of different screens found in new and upcoming cars (where Apple may have little control over device resolution).
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You can not remove design from an OS, but you can change its fundamentals. Suggesting design has been 'removed' just shows a complete lack of understanding for what graphic design is. iOS 7 has been designed as its an interface with a different appearance. If there was no design, it would be a blank space.
Another potential reason for the changes...
If Apple plans to release a voice-controlled TV, which can run IOS 7.X applications, how will users use their voice to navigate buttons? To make voice control for IOS apps a reality, apps must display text-based commands on-screen (so users know what commands to speak).
If Apple plans to release a voice-controlled TV, which can run IOS 7.X applications, how will users use their voice to navigate buttons? To make voice control for IOS apps a reality, apps must display text-based commands on-screen (so users know what commands to speak).
Yes.
You know how many people I have seen switch away from iOS to Android? About four too many. Why? Because iPhone 5 was a bust. It lost badly to Galaxy S3 on the "what makes people want it" scale: screen size, ease of use, maps functionality, NFC, Bluetooth game controllers, ease of changing the screen brightness, ability to run emulators, openness of the platform, all these things were perceived as Apple losing its technical leadership and edge, not listening to its customers, etc.
I didn't upgrade to the iPhone 5 because it isn't Gorilla Glass on both sides. I am still waiting to see if they fix that in the 5S, or go with Liquidmetal or something that won't scratch so easily. We people are fickle. Jobs understood that more than anyone... I think it was because he went to college with a bunch of whiny Reedies. Nobody whines about little details and thinks it's their goal in life to pick apart and analyze everything that seems unimportant to most people more than over-privileged, white, west-coast, too-smart-for-their-own-good, over-caffeinated, liberal arts students.
This is a WAR. Apple has to do more than throw out some Emperor's New Clothes crap, because people WILL call BS on it, and walk away in a heartbeat. I think it's taking Cupertino too long to realize that it's not 2010 anymore. The days of Apple being better because they are Apple, and everyone just knowing and accepting that de facto, are over.
Apple always does best from the underdog position; they make a terrible top dog. They just don't know how to not become lame and self-important. Like that recent add where they gloat about how perfectionist if they are. They need to remember this is a war and that they need to fight tooth and nail for their customers.
iOS's biggest advantage today is SPEED. There is quite simply far less lag in apps, which is especially noticeable in music apps, due to iOS's core design (no garbage collection, very little background processes). But Apple never mentions this in ads. How is iOS 7 going to improve/maintain the constant 60 FPS people are accustomed to?
iOS is also less prone to viruses, spyware, and background processes killing your battery... but you never see Apple promote that, either.
Remember the Mac vs. PC ads? Where's that spirit again? I see Samsung running ads making fun of Apple fans in line when the Galaxy is the real next big thing, as they claim.
So what does Apple promote as better about its platform? What will it say when iOS 7 hits?
I want it to highlight all the technical advantages, tell us why TextKit makes it better for publishers to make magazine apps that render layout programmatically; tell us what's cool about Beacons; tell us how border less buttons let you make the text of the button bigger so it's easier to see; tell us what percentage iOS 7's battery life is better than Galaxy by; tell us how much less interface lag there is than a Galaxy S4; tell us why it's BETTER.
Apple's in my blood and so I fight for Apple, but I am also a harsh critic of Apple because they are in my blood.
So when I called out Apple on iOS 7's plainness in this thread I did not intend that as an indictment but more so, I want to know that iOS 7 has a damn good reason for all these changes, that it's going to make iOS better and why, that the reasons are technical also, and not just aesthetic.
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