Why do people hate macs and mac users?

[Freyqq]

I'm going to have some fun here.


Twice? Really? How odd in that when I bought my Core2Duo iMac a couple of years ago the nearest spec Dell was about £50 less but didn't have an all-in-one design. £50 to just use 1 power lead, I went with the BT option so I didn't even have keyboard and mice wires.
Thanks to the student discount I bought a PowerBook much less than the nearest performing PC laptop (G4 v P4, back in 2004).
So where's this argument based?




Well thanks for that "period" otherwise I would have thought otherwise.

I'm mostly a PC gamer these days and yes, I'm running a 2 year old iMac and you know what? It's playing my games under Bootcamp perfectly. Team Fortress 2, Oblivion, Bioshock, UT3 all play beautifully. With better controllers and (in most cases) a higher resolution than their console counterparts.
I'd bother with a new computer if games like Crysis were any fun, can't stand the lack of gameplay in that game. I'm wondering what your definition of "gamer" is.

look at this from a gamer's perspective. Why would I buy a computer that is nonupgradable, expensive, and has a subpar videocard when I could have a selfbuilt desktop pc tower with an 8800GT for hundreds less. Answer me that without using the word OSX. You can't. A gamer would never buy an all-in-one design..which is really the only offering from apple in the midrange desktop area. Sure, you can play a few couple year old titles adequately, but you can't play them as well as a 8800GT could. Oblivion has been out for what...2 years now? TF2 was by design able to run on low hardware. Bioshock..I bet you play it on low or medium at nonnative resolution. Try a newer game like crysis.

Get my point?

And...I also own a 12" powerbook 1.5 ghz with 1.25 of ram and an 80 hd from about 3 years ago and I ASSURE you that it does not even come close to any intel processor in speed from the standpoint of even 5 years ago. I used it for 2 years as my main computer and it was sloooooooow.



Finally, in general. People seem to have this notion that macs are inherently superior and pcs just suck. Ok. That is your opinion. But honestly, you neglect any superior quality to pcs that makes them better in certain instances. PCs are better for gaming. Period. You can't argue against that and make sense. PCs are more cost effective if price is a factor. PCs do have a wider range of software available. Sure mac software might be "better", but who are you to judge people's personal preferences on software? Like for instance, many feel that office 2007 (PC) is much better than office 2008 (mac). Also, you usually are getting better hardware for the price and have a wider and better range of hardware to choose from. If I want an SLI 9800x2 setup, I can have it. Is it overkill? Maybe but who cares. If I wanted it I could have it. Can I get that from apple? No. Also, people often don't like to have to jump through apple's hoops for upgrades and such. Remember when a 1900xt radeon was $500 on teh apple site while it sold on newegg for about 150? Say what? I mean..that can turn off a lot of people. The point of my thing is this: PCs do have advantages in some aspects and some people value those aspects over the advantages of a mac in a similar way that you may value other aspects in favor of a mac over a pc.

 

[geek-inthe-pink]

Unfortunately a lot of the hate comes from the superior attitude mac users have at times. I'm a recent switcher, and the attitude of fanboys really got on my nerves when I was a PC user. Now I wish PC people would shut the hell up about it as well. The thing people forget is: most normal people don't give a rat's what computer you decide to use. It has no effect on me whatsoever.

I'm happy with my mac, I love it, but I don't feel the need to be pushy and speak gospel about how it's better than a PC.

Spilling water is not cool, I probably would have had to say something about that. Talk about being insecure and passive aggressive. Bottom line is people need to get lives and stop acting like this is a war for supremacy.

Yep. Well said.

A lot of people just don't understand what OS X has to offer. Like, in my school district, we use macs, and my math teacher turned around one day and just spontaneously said, "Macs are trash." Some people are just sooo convinced and stubborn that if they are better than everyone else, then the products they use are also better than others.
An example of this is when I went over to my friend's house (the family is very wealthy). He's quite nice, and very pleasant, but just a little too convinced that his stuff is better than anyone else's. I just casually mentioned that I was getting the macbook I'm typing on right now, and his dad who was playing Wii sports just shakes his head and asked, "Who want's one of those?". Apparently, macs are 'behind the times', and 'feature-lacking' just because PCs are used by the majority. Many people have forgotten that the majority of people use PCs for two reasons: a) They are somewhat cheaper or b) That's what they're familiar with. Almost NEVER have I ever heard someone who used a PC because they really thought they were superior to others (even Linux).

Oh wait, I forgot one. They may have just been born brain-less.

My thing is, I can deal with stubborn people. But what I hate is people who are stubborn AND insist that they are right/best/cooler, etc. I can deal with different opinions, but... It really TICKS ME OFF when someone says they're right, just because they are. Especially when they aren't right.

I used to despise Mac users, but I wasn't mean to them or anything. Look's like my golden-rule treatment was the right decision in the end.
Thanks to a few mac enthusiasts I know, I got this macbook.

 

[0098386]

look at this from a gamer's perspective. Why would I buy a computer that is nonupgradable, expensive, and has a subpar videocard when I could have a selfbuilt desktop pc tower with an 8800GT for hundreds less. Answer me that without using the word OSX.

I can't seem to get Final Cut Pro or Aperture to run on XP... I also bought the iMac since they have higher quality components. Every other PC or laptop I've bought since 1997 has had one problem with it, be it ram that needed replacing after a year, a busted power unit. My only other mac (PPC) never had a problem in 3 years so I decided to buy a system built by a reliable company.

You can't.

I did.

A gamer would never buy an all-in-one design..which is really the only offering from apple in the midrange desktop area. Sure, you can play a few couple year old titles adequately, but you can't play them as well as a 8800GT could. Oblivion has been out for what...2 years now? TF2 was by design able to run on low hardware. Bioshock..I bet you play it on low or medium at nonnative resolution. Try a newer game like crysis.

I am a gamer, I am also a game developer. I buy an all-in-one design because it's portable but packs more wallop than a laptop (or did). It's lighter, more elegant and uses less total power. TF2 able to run on lower hardware? Yes, but I'm playing it with everything turned up to full, FSAAx4, AFx16 without problem. Bioshock on a low resolution? Okay now, stop playing the guessing game. I'm running it on medium quality graphics at native resolution. I'm even playing these games at a higher resolution than what the PS3 outputs at (UT3 still at 720 yea?). And I did try Crysis. It's an absurdly shallow game with such repetitive and recycled gameplay, that doesn't add much in the way of combat from Farcry.
I play games not tech demos.

I just don't get this mentality of "oh look a new game is out, lets buy another graphics card!". I used to upgrade my desktop PC once every 2-3 years and I played all the latest games. So I have to drop AA or turn HDR off. As I said I play games, I've got the uncanny ability to look past graphic features and play the game.

Get my point?

No you just sound bitter.

And...I also own a 12" powerbook 1.5 ghz with 1.25 of ram and an 80 hd from about 3 years ago and I ASSURE you that it does not even come close to any intel processor in speed from the standpoint of even 5 years ago. I used it for 2 years as my main computer and it was sloooooooow.

That's strange. I had a 3ghz P4 with Hyperthreading, 512mb ram, Go5600 and a 1.5ghz PowerBook with 512mb ram and a 5200. The reason I bought the PowerBook was because it loaded up Photoshop faster and ran everything I needed so much faster. It was slower at booting but instantly on after sleep. I paid £999 for the PC laptop and only 3 months later bought the PowerBook for £939, even had Bluetooth and Wifi over the PC laptop (though it was a combodrive compared to the PC's DVD burner).
I posted this a long time ago on my old blog complete with benchmarks. It even hit the MacBytes column here.

 

[Freyqq]

I can't seem to get Final Cut Pro or Aperture to run on XP... I also bought the iMac since they have higher quality components. Every other PC or laptop I've bought since 1997 has had one problem with it, be it ram that needed replacing after a year, a busted power unit. My only other mac (PPC) never had a problem in 3 years so I decided to buy a system built by a reliable company.



I did.



I am a gamer, I am also a game developer. I buy an all-in-one design because it's portable but packs more wallop than a laptop (or did). It's lighter, more elegant and uses less total power. TF2 able to run on lower hardware? Yes, but I'm playing it with everything turned up to full, FSAAx4, AFx16 without problem. Bioshock on a low resolution? Okay now, stop playing the guessing game. I'm running it on medium quality graphics at native resolution. I'm even playing these games at a higher resolution than what the PS3 outputs at (UT3 still at 720 yea?). And I did try Crysis. It's an absurdly shallow game with such repetitive and recycled gameplay, that doesn't add much in the way of combat from Farcry.
I play games not tech demos.



No you just sound bitter.



That's strange. I had a 3ghz P4 with Hyperthreading, 512mb ram, Go5600 and a 1.5ghz PowerBook with 512mb ram and a 5200. The reason I bought the PowerBook was because it loaded up Photoshop faster and ran everything I needed so much faster. It was slower at booting but instantly on after sleep. I paid £999 for the PC laptop and only 3 months later bought the PowerBook for £939, even had Bluetooth and Wifi over the PC laptop (though it was a combodrive compared to the PC's DVD burner).
I posted this a long time ago on my old blog complete with benchmarks. It even hit the MacBytes column here.

Ok. I can't seem to get Sony Vegas working on my mac either.

Ram is the same stuff you use on any computer. Apple uses usually just generic samsung ram.

Power supplies..there are good ones and bad ones. Usually anything by antec is pretty good. If you want a prebuilt, according to consumer reports apple has the most lemons than any other computer manufacturer.

Ok..so you downplay the fact that you can't run crysis at a respectable framerate by saying the game sucks. Ok.. I didn't ask if you liked it but if you could run it. Also, you followed my point by saying you can't run bioshock on high with a respectable framerate unlike an 8800GT PC can for hundreds less. Why would a gamer want to spend hundreds more just to have a worse speced computer when all they really need is power? Short answer..they wouldn't.

Ok..I owned a p4 desktop when I bought the 12" powerbook to replace it and the powerbook is far far slower from personal experience. And that p4 was just a 2.4 ghz with no hyper threading and 512 of ram i believe. Wasn't even close.

Benchmarks..look at geekbench. Even though it is a really flawed benchmark that only tests cpu and memory speed really..a 12" pb gets a 771 and a p4 2.4 gets a 1102. Look..its not faster at all from both real world experience and synthetic benchmarks. I don't know where you are getting this from.

The very fact that you are trying to push that a gamer should prefer an imac to duel boot into windows to play games is the very fact that pc people are often annoyed at mac people. You are flying in the face of fact and reason entirely because you like macs better than pcs. Listen to yourself. Seriously. A gamer should buy an imac with worse parts then they can put together for hundreds less b\c its a mac? A 2600 is worse than a 8800GT. Completely utterly worse. A 2600 may be adequate to play certain games at ok res and quality but it isn't as good as an 8800GT or a 9800x2 etc. Thats like saying a honda is as good as a racecar because they both can get from point a to point b. They both can get there, but a racecar can get there better for a number of reasons - better engine = faster acceleration, etc. Now imagine that the racecar costs less than the honda. If you get my analogy great..if not w/e. Macs are great but they aren't for everyone. Going back to the last analogy, say you value confort of the car over speed. Maybe you want that honda. Say you want speed and speed alone..you want the racecar. Depends entirely on what you are using it for. Face it, you bought a mac b\c you wanted OSX and that reason alone. Ok cool. Same reason I bought a mac. But what if someone didn't want OSX. Without OSX, the entire argument falls apart. Would you still suggest a mac?

 

[The Flashing Fi]

I also bought the iMac since they have higher quality components. Every other PC or laptop I've bought since 1997 has had one problem with it, be it ram that needed replacing after a year, a busted power unit. My only other mac (PPC) never had a problem in 3 years so I decided to buy a system built by a reliable company.

That's actually why I build my own desktop computers. Much cheaper and you are in control of the quality.

 

[BlakTornado]

My Mom was quite anti-Mac before I got mine. She was determined it wasn't going to work. She was like "But it won't work the same so you won't be able to do anything on it" and "It wont work with the router so we're gonna have to get a new one just for your Mac, aren't we?" and stuff, even though all the file types are the same, and it's just a standard Wifi (A/B/G) Router.
But in ways, I think she was just more concerned about me spending £1000 on a computer I would regret buying (Although she did say once "Aren't they for snobs?" )
But then when I got it, she seemed to like it, and was amazed at the size of it (The big screen, and the thinness). The only thing she doesn't like now is how she accidentally catches the Exposé/Spaces buttons I have on my mouse when she uses it xD
So yeah, all good in that department. I think the main cause for most "ordinary" (not tech savvy) people not liking them is the lack of knowing about them, and being put off because it's different (Which is fine by me. I'm quite happy not having a bog standard computer )

However, I do find that it's the gamers that pick on the Mac users. On another forum I visit regularly, it's often the PC users creating threads against the Mac users, rather than vice versa.

Unless it gets to doing stupid things in real life, it's best just to ignore it or play along. At the end of the day, unless they're spilling water over you or being a general douche, the flame wars and arguments are just a bit of fun.

But it's only really PC enthusiasts or Gamers who give a crap. The majority of PC users who know about my iMac either don't really care, are vaguely interested but not going to take it any further than asking how it is, or they want a Mac too, but just can't afford to get one.

 

[iJohnHenry]

Why, because we are self-righteous.

And also, correct.

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[marbles]

I didn't know people did ....saying that one guy did have a few choice words to say when I mentioned my impending purchase .

Thing is , yes they are a little more expensive but a Mac can run both the major OS's , nuff said .

 

[ZiggyPastorius]

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It's one of those things where you either find people that hate them or love them. There usually aren't many in-betweens and with the average person, there's a lot of misunderstandings. You usually get to feel pretty good when someone who is legitimately confused asks questions and you can answer them and they go "wow, cool!" My mom is now considering the Macintosh platform for her next computer purchase

 

[28monkeys]

who hates em ?

 

[MotleyPete]

I can't say I've ever met anybody who has hated me because I use a Mac. It sounds to me like a bizarre niche form of hatred.

My brand of toaster doesn't seem to upset people either.

 

[63dot]

i spent years as a mac and pc tech and i could say that while macs are not perfect, they are far better than their PC counterparts in almost every category, so i see very little evidence for people hating macs

but i have met plenty of mac users who know nothing about the PC side and make ignorant comments about the PC still thinking that the PC is stuck in the windows 3.1 days

some mac users are like cult members who won't let science, math, facts, or good PC models "cloud" their judgement, and they will jump off a cliff if steve jobs told them to

i think today more than ever, macs and their users are accepted, thanks in large part to ipod and iphone

so the next time somebody cuts down apple, point out their ipod, itunes purchases, and iphone

....

on the other side of the coin, when somebody in the mac camp absolutely hates the wintel side, point out that macs now use intel processors (true, really) and that many a mac have microsoft office icons on their dock, too (and that is the same microsoft that makes windblows

but for many years, i got by just fine on clarisworks, appleworks but i still only have motorola powered ibooks, power macs, and a mini mac and i am quite happy with the performance and don't notice a huge gain with a core duo as is on my dad's imac

but if i got eight intels in a mac pro, i know i would feel the love

 

[minicoop503]

You can't really say that all windows users hate mac users without saying the other way around too.

I see plenty of hate coming from both sides and I honestly don't understand it. But, it's pretty much impossible to reason with mac or pc fanboys.

 

[revenuee]

You can't really say that all windows users hate mac users without saying the other way around too.

I see plenty of hate coming from both sides and I honestly don't understand it. But, it's pretty much impossible to reason with mac or pc fanboys.

unreasonable mac fan boy RIGHT HERE

 

[minicoop503]

unreasonable mac fan boy RIGHT HERE

Too bad I don't own a mac

 

[revenuee]

Too bad I don't own a mac

I actually took a lot of "macs suck" flack in highschool (i started using a mac in grade 10) -- which just fueled my fan boy(ness)

mind you by the time i graduated university (last year) you couldn't help but see mac laptops in every lecture hall

There is a significant influence of mac culture on my campus though -- our book store computer centre and heavily mac promoted

with the exception of the faculty of business there is a pretty heavy mac usage by the academics -- unless there is some specific for Windows based applications they HAVE to use ... there is a lot of work being done on macs using *nix based software in X11 -- the Psychology department in particular is mac exclusive -- and i've got a few buddies in math/physics that are operating very happily in their department with macs

 

[The Doctor]

i totally don't have this problem... pretty much everyone i know owns a mac... both of my brothers, my mom, my gf... most of my friends... it also seems that whenever i am out i see more macs now then i do pcs... i feel like macs have really stepped it up in the nyc area... everyone has one now.

 

[63dot]

with the exception of the faculty of business there is a pretty heavy mac usage by the academics -- unless there is some specific for Windows based applications they HAVE to use ... there is a lot of work being done on macs using *nix based software in X11 -- the Psychology department in particular is mac exclusive -- and i've got a few buddies in math/physics that are operating very happily in their department with macs

during the height of apple's comeback in 2000, the local college near me dropped their macs from their computer lab and went all dell

that was a shock to me since the school did fine with apple products in their lab since the 1970s and i enrolled in '79 or '80 and took classes here and there for 20 years and saw the apple IIe, the mac classic, LCs, performas, and various mac desktops until their final beige G3 tower

the only building among the 100 or so buildings on campus that had macs anymore was the art department classroom for graphic design majors and they had just purchased 25 brand new G4 towers with all the adobe titles on them

...but the vast majority of the students who could have seen macs in the computer lab open for every major only had dells for many years since 2000 and that's a lot of college students forced to use dell/PC

when they built their state of the art library capable of serving 25,000 students for a student body only half of that, they went all dell, too with just one or two macs in a multi-media room and one had to "sign up" by the hour for usage of that room

it's almost as if this california funded college was told from above to snub apple due to cost per computer, and the dell/PC dominance thing could have hit other california funded schools among the many state universities and junior colleges

 

[djellison]

I love my Mac. I HATE Mac fan boys.

They are arrogant, have a superiority complex, are blinkered to the over-pricing of Apple hardware, some of the dreadful product line decisions Apple makes, and will happily tell outright lies about Windows.

It's blinkered morons like those who do far more harm to the Apple brand than they could possibly imagine. It's not 'one or the other' - I happily use both, Mac and PC. I have my MBP and love it. I have a Time Capsule and hate it ( hideously unreliable and awkward to set up, fundamentally not-functional as a backup device ). I've tried a Mac Cinema display and can't STAND it's hideously over-integrated cabling. I love my iPod Touch, but some of the software decisions made within it, and the iPhone, are just utter bone-headedness. I have a PC desktop and couldn't even imagine getting rid of it - for my CPU intensive work, it is drastically cheaper than a Mac Pro, and offers similar performance. Elements of this MBP design drive me mad - the screen will not pivot far enough the case warps dreadfully, it gets disgustingly hot, the psu gets DANGEROUSLY hot, the port placements are poorly thought out, the price is impossible to defend, and no longer including the remote is simply disgusting. As a machine, I find it very hard to recommend to others having lived with it for several months.

Morons on both sides of the fence who seem to think that one is better than the other are just idiots. Both platforms are good, both have problems, both have plus points, neither 'wins', and when idiots try to claim otherwise, they just damage the reputation of the company involved.

Doug

 

[GuillaumeB]

i do not believe people hate Macs/Mac users. Indeed, i think mac users tend to despise Windowsians

i cant tell you how many years i spent moding the Windows GUI or tweaking the registry to "make more beautiful" or "make it faster"

When I see Windowsians do this I'm like so blasé, like "Yeh I know that, i've done that but it's really useless, just get a mac and forget it"

 

[dejo]

It's blinkered morons like those who do far more harm to the Apple brand than they could possibly imagine. It's not 'one or the other' - I happily use both, Mac and PC. I have my MBP and love it. I have a Time Capsule and hate it ( hideously unreliable and awkward to set up, fundamentally not-functional as a backup device ). I've tried a Mac Cinema display and can't STAND it's hideously over-integrated cabling. I love my iPod Touch, but some of the software decisions made within it, and the iPhone, are just utter bone-headedness. I have a PC desktop and couldn't even imagine getting rid of it - for my CPU intensive work, it is drastically cheaper than a Mac Pro, and offers similar performance. Elements of this MBP design drive me mad - the screen will not pivot far enough the case warps dreadfully, it gets disgustingly hot, the psu gets DANGEROUSLY hot, the port placements are poorly thought out, the price is impossible to defend, and no longer including the remote is simply disgusting. As a machine, I find it very hard to recommend to others having lived with it for several months.

Morons on both sides of the fence who seem to think that one is better than the other are just idiots. Both platforms are good, both have problems, both have plus points, neither 'wins', and when idiots try to claim otherwise, they just damage the reputation of the company involved

Both have problems, eh? I'd believe your argument more if you had actually pointed out a few of PC's problems in the paragraph above that statement. Just seems rather one-sided to me.

 

[MacHappytjg]

if no body said this i'm going to say people hate macs and mac users because, there jealous of our computers and can't accept the fact that windows boxes are crap.

i totally don't have this problem... pretty much everyone i know owns a mac... both of my brothers, my mom, my gf... most of my friends... it also seems that whenever i am out i see more macs now then i do pcs... i feel like macs have really stepped it up in the nyc area... everyone has one now.

espically macbooks when you go into starbucks

 

[Squires]

It's because Mac's kick ass and they are faster and windows users are JEALOUS!

 

[djellison]

I'd believe your argument

My work XP machine has a penchent for crashing, Premiere CS3 is a bloody disgrace to use, Sorrenson Squeeze (ironically, perhaps) and Quicktime are an dictionary definition of instability....I could go on, but I'm not making an 'argument' which I expect you to 'believe'...I'm simply stating my experiences.

Both platforms have problems. Both have good points. Neither are perfect. Neither is the 'best'. People claiming otherwise are just being bone headed fanboys.

Doug

 

[boxxy1987]

Im a Windows and a Mac user.... And love both OS's to a degree.

Im a windows user of about 10 years when I first got into computers, we had a few Apple Macs when I moved to High school but they really didnt take my fancy.... Hence why I followed in MS's footsteps... loved XP!!

I have only recently moved over to Mac... ie... The last week, and I am extremely impressed.

Although the OS does take a bit of getting used to, it feels more responsive and more stable than Windows.

Ill always continue to use Windows for those few games and programs that you cant get on a Mac.

Therefore..... No abuse from me.. and to all my mates who used to slag off Mac's... they seemed to be obsessed with my iMac... hang on... theres another one knocking at the front door for another gaming session on the iMac.

I think iv just converted another Windows user!!!