Why do some people prefer Tiger over Leopard?

[SaSaSushi]

Wow, that's like upgrading your VW to a ferrari and then taking it back because you don't like the volume knob on the stereo.

While I understand what you were going for with this analogy I hardly think that Tiger is to VW as Leopard is to Ferrari. I mean, come on, Leopard is a nice OS with lots of new features and all but Tiger certainly wasn't chopped liver. 😛

 

[iheartcanada]

The only thing that I don't like about Leopard is the fact that I can't my printer to work... But that's Lexmark's fault.

 

[weg]

Wow, that's like upgrading your VW to a ferrari and then taking it back because you don't like the volume knob on the stereo.

Well, in Tiger, if you put the programs folder into the dock and right-click it, then you'll get a menu that's very similar to the start menu in Windows. Thus, I can access my programs much faster. It seems that with stacks, this isn't possible anymore.

 

[weg]

Is he a member of this bunch?

Some people just don't like things to change 🙂

That's hardly a valid metapher. The theory of earth being flat was discarded because it was incompatible with experimental evidence, i.e., things "didn't work" as expected. With Tiger and Leopard, if at all, it's the other way around: Things that worked in Tiger don't work in Leopard anymore ;-) And only hardcore Mac fanboys really believe that Leopard is revolutional (it's really more of an evolutional OS release).

 

[benpatient]

i used leopard for 2 weeks on my macbook. i waited for 10.5.1 to come out, and when it did, NONE of my problems were addressed, so I went back to tiger.

time machine has bugs that make it unsafe to use as a reliable backup. These have been well-documented on this forum. Most importantly, if you delete a file on wednesday and your weekly backup happens on thursdays, then the next week, that file you deleted won't be there. If you had waited until thursday to delete the file, it would have been included in the long-term backup. This directly contradicts the claims about what time machine can do on apple's page about this app.

stacks is a great idea broken beyond belief. It looks like 10.5.2 might finally fix most of what is wrong with stacks, but as of right now, it is trash. Completely ruined my workflows and brought no real benefits. Apple might as well have coated all of my files in Aero Glass or something equally pointless.

spaces is good. it has some quirks that need to be ironed out, but it is good. Of course there is a freeware app for tiger that does the same thing.

quickview is nice. no complaints.

the new finder is good except for COVER FLOW and windows that don't remember their settings. I don't appreciate apple forcing itunes stuff on the OS as a whole. It is not useful. Half of my files don't get a preview (are adobe and apple having a little tiff or something?).

airport: Broken.

if I wanted the apple TV version of FrontRow, I would buy an apple TV. I really dislike the way songs stop playing when you navigate away from them. I know the old front row uses itunes to play music, and quicktime to play video, but why break a good feature? my xboxb handles this more gracefully. ouch, apple.

and last but not least, with 2gb of ram on a macbook 2.0, i can tell you without a doubt that things are faster on tiger. The only thing that was faster with leopard was boot times. But I almost never turn my computer OFF, so it doesn't matter.

 

[bluedoggiant]

Spaces, Time Machine, Stacks...

Useful things which really change how you use a computer and are useful in work environments.

Spaces and Time Machine most dominantly.

Spaces lets you have a clutter free work environment while you do something, and then let you go to maybe a hectic, packed environment with lots of things you need to do at once. I would say that that would benefit a work environment of some description.

And say you need several apps open but maxed out in full screen, yet using expose isn't that useful (An example I find is using Final Cut Express and LiveType at the same time since the app is made of separate windows and using expose can just make things more confusing) or if you don't have a mouse with more than one or two buttons.

Time Machine is useful for obvious reasons, and stacks lets you navigate to documents quicker and easier since you only have to click an icon on the dock to find what you want.

And there things like To Dos in Mail that makes Leopard more productive and so on. Leopard really caters to everyone in terms of useful updates. Sure, it may be bloat to some people but it could be a really useful feature for others and Apple does a good job at supplying for everyone. The average consumer AND the guy who needs to do serious work. It's not as bad as you most people think 🙂

I can't live without spaces, its so useful, ive setup 6, each app gets its own space, or if I'm doing a project, it gets it own space, a space for work, a space for fun, a space for an important project, and space for ichat, skype, yahoo and what not. Spaces is the most useful feature in my opinion. I just setup Time Machine, right now its pretty much useless, but after 6 months, i may find a use for it, i mean, backup isn't something to get hyped up about, though the core animation in TM is awesome. stacks is also useful. I've used every single feature leopard added, besides the little tweaks like voice over, so leopard, in my opinion, is amazing. though it is very buggy, when i wake my imac from sleep, it takes like 5 seconds for the mouse to appear, very annoying. Safari does give frequent crashes locking up certain parts of the system.

Stacks, Time Machine, etc. Are just little things to get people to upgrade. Same thing with Tiger. Dashboard, Spotlight, etc. Just little gimmicks.

The only time to upgrade, IMO, is when all (or at least 90%) of your 3rd party apps work on the next gen OS.

As for me, it's too expensive, plus a lot of my favorite apps don't work on Leopard yet.

Leopard's upgrades are even bigger than adding spotlight and what not. But if you think about it, you were probably hyped about spotlight and dashboard, but now, you're used to it, we'll maybe get used to spaces when 10.6 comes out. So leopard is a great upgrade, a little buggy, but, its been great for me, no real problems 😀.

 

[Eric Piercey]

While I understand what you were going for with this analogy I hardly think that Tiger is to VW as Leopard is to Ferrari. I mean, come on, Leopard is a nice OS with lots of new features and all but Tiger certainly wasn't chopped liver. 😛

Yeh more like going from a 2 year old VW in perfect shape to a new Ferrari with the aforementioned VW's engine modded into it.

 

[heatmiser]

Yeh more like going from a 2 year old VW in perfect shape to a new Ferrari with the aforementioned VW's engine modded into it.

I'd say it's like going from the 2y fully working VW to a VW with racing stripes that's 500lbs heavier for no reason and leaks various fluids from the engine compartment. But it's got racing stripes, so naturally, it's got to be better than the working VW.

 

[angelodmhl]

Leopard = resource sucker
Ugly transparent menu bar + reflective dock + code bloat FOR THE LOSE.

On my 2.16 Macbook, Tiger feels like running OS 9 on a dual 1 GHz Powermac g4, while Leopard feels like 10.0 running on the original iMac with 64mb ram, if that makes any sence 😛

 

[panzer06]

I'd say it's like going from the 2y fully working VW to a VW with racing stripes that's 500lbs heavier for no reason and leaks various fluids from the engine compartment. But it's got racing stripes, so naturally, it's got to be better than the working VW.

So the bottom line is we don't need to replace Tiger with Leopard to perform everyday activities and there is really no compelling reason to switch and plenty of reasons not to.

Cheers,

 

[heatmiser]

So the bottom line is we don't need to replace Tiger with Leopard to perform everyday activities and there is really no compelling reason to switch and plenty of reasons not to.

Cheers,

100% agree. :^)

 

[bluedoggiant]

Leopard = resource sucker
Ugly transparent menu bar + reflective dock + code bloat FOR THE LOSE.

On my 2.16 Macbook, Tiger feels like running OS 9 on a dual 1 GHz Powermac g4, while Leopard feels like 10.0 running on the original iMac with 64mb ram, if that makes any sence 😛

You can make the dock 2d, and the menu bar grey or WHITE using a Terminal Code

 

[angelodmhl]

You can make the dock 2d, and the menu bar grey or WHITE using a Terminal Code

I know i can do all that, i just find it unacceptable. I have used OSX since version 10.0, and with Leopard i feel like i have to be the janitor of it. I can't be bothered with crap like trying to find hacks to make my menu bar readable. It's very un-apple like.

 

[heatmiser]

You can make the dock 2d, and the menu bar grey or WHITE using a Terminal Code

What's the point of getting Leopard if you spend your time trying to replicate Tiger? This is no different from Vista users disabling Aero, the Sidebar, UAC, etc to mimic settings on XP.

 

[SaSaSushi]

So the bottom line is we don't need to replace Tiger with Leopard to perform everyday activities and there is really no compelling reason to switch and plenty of reasons not to.

Cheers,

No, the bottom line is that if YOU find the new features of Leopard compelling there is no reason you should not consider upgrading.

Of course you don't need to. I'm a bit amused by this thread and the Leopard hatred. I am using Leopard and aside from no Growl Mail support (yet) and the loss of the Mail.Appetizer plugin I've had no major complaints with it.

I love Spaces and use it with Vista running full screen in its own space in Parallels. I wouldn't want to lose it. I like Quickview a lot and Time Machine as well. I recently upgraded from 2GB to 4GB on my alumiMac and it didn't run noticeably slower than Tiger in either configuration. With 4GB the aforementioned Vista in Parallels runs as fast as it does in Boot Camp while Leopard runs as fast as ever.

Do you need to upgrade to Leopard?? No, but if you like it's new features and don't rely on some software that won't run in Leopard I don't see any reason not to.

It's not nearly as bad as the pundits in here are making it out to be.

 

[clevin]

i know some apps I need don't work with 10.5 yet. and leopard looks very dark to me. I will wait more, apple release OS every 2 years, maybe i can skip 10.5 altogether.

I love Spaces and use it with Vista running full screen in its own space in Parallels. I wouldn't want to lose it.

I think You can do that on Tiger with Virtual Desktops as well.

 

[zap2]

i know someone that upgraded to leopard..then downgraded back to tiger..just because he hates stacks .. 😱

well, he's an idiot....just remove them from the dock...

 

[Andras5soul]

Spotlight was great when it came out and I use it all the time, it is a HUGE search engine upgrade. I hate dashboard. About leopard, I don't have it but I've used it. Stacks is great...BUT the best way to use it is with the newly released "list view"...now no offence to apple, but I've had that exact same thing on my Tiger OS forever...just drag the folder into your dock and that is stacks with list view. Time machine is useless in my opinion, anything important or valuable I have, i just drag to an external hard drive.. wouldn't use time machine. The new dock is nice, but I use an application to get rid of the dock so that it is just the icons floating with no background..much nicer I think.. and that sums up why I would not go to leopard unless some1 lent it to me for free.

 

[BlakTornado]

I love Spaces. I wouldn't want to lose it. I like Quickview a lot and Time Machine as well.

Me too, 100%. Stacks aren't bad either. They may be a bit unneeded but they're there and can be useful too. They also give your desktop a bit more pizazz which helps potential switchers make up their mind, too 😛 And it also makes it feel more fun and exciting.

 

[mixel]

I'm used to Leopard now and would choose it over Tiger, the new features are all pretty nice. 🙂 Some people don't need or want those features is all.

Leopard definitely runs faster and more responsively on my Macbook 1.8 CD, wife's 2ghz MBP AND my G5 dual powermac.. (all with 2GB)

I don't understand the people saying Leopard adds "bloat" - I mean, if it's better optimised surely that's no big deal. Perhaps it's just G5s and Intel it's best on, that would explain people with G4s having issues? Things like network stuff are much tidier now too, causing much fewer hang-ups on my systems at least..

Coverflow is great if you manage lots of image files (and you can delete image previews easily and get it to re-generate new ones if they aren't appearing)..

5.2 is fixing stacks too, fortunately. They have been my biggest annoyance with Leopard. I turned off the transparent menubar on my "work" machine and left it on on my Macbook. It took 5 seconds to do - and it stuck like that. People getting shirty about that particular feature are being very weird. (i do think apple should include a setting for it though) There *is* an option Apple put there for you to change, it just doesn't have a GUI. It's not really a hack..

 

[Hmac]

I know i can do all that, i just find it unacceptable. I have used OSX since version 10.0, and with Leopard i feel like i have to be the janitor of it. I can't be bothered with crap like trying to find hacks to make my menu bar readable. It's very un-apple like.

In counterpoint, I'd have to say that my Leopard menu bar is perfectly readable and I think the appearance of the stock dock is fine. YOU may not like it, but you may very well be in a small minority. Or perhaps I am. We'll never know, but even so perhaps some future Leopard revision will give us the option of having whatever kind of dock appearance either of us wants. I don't care one way or the other, but apparently you do.

My experience with this forum, however, suggests that no matter HOW many appearance choices Apple gives us in some future upgrade, there will still be a very vocal group that will post here with some kind of complaint about the appearance.

 

[srf4real]

Well, since the new black macbook came with intel only dropins, and no options to pay a little more for family license, the power mac and mini ppc's will have to wait until I hear about something in Leopard I absolutely can't live without. I have been know to skip a generation of OS X before.😉😎

 

[Hawkeye411]

Why do some people prefer Honda versus Toyota?
😕

 

[miniConvert]

Some of us just like to wait for things to mature a little. I mean, damn, it took me until 2006 to even consider Mac 😀

I know Tiger has its faults, I battle most of them every day, but I'm in the camp that believes Leopard isn't quite there yet. Sure, it's probably fine for personal computing, but I run a business and before I invest in new software I like to be sure that the most troublesome kinks have been worked out.

One exception to that rule would be CS3... I couldn't buy that quickly enough, after coping with CS2 under Rosetta. Another will be Mac Office 2008... it's hard to think what they could break that would make me not want to upgrade. Tiger is, (un)fortunately, just a fantastic OS.

It's almost like the XP vs Vista issue, only nowhere near as bad 🙂

 

[panzer06]

i know some apps I need don't work with 10.5 yet. and leopard looks very dark to me. I will wait more, apple release OS every 2 years, maybe i can skip 10.5 altogether.

I am in full agreement with that. I'm just fine skipping Leopard altogether unless some app that I use everyday eventually requires it. For all my business and personal needs, Tiger works fine.

Spaces is the only feature I like and that's because Linux and some other UNIX distros have had such functionality for years. But that's a nice to have and certainly not worth the cost to upgrade my older apps that will no longer be supported under Leopard. Yes, I will have to upgrade eventually, but I can see waiting until I buy another Mac and our business warrants the cost of upgrading to CS3 (assuming the Leopard CS3 patch is finished by then).

Without CS2 and several utilities we use on a regular basis migrating makes no sense.

No, the bottom line is that if YOU find the new features of Leopard compelling there is no reason you should not consider upgrading.

Of course you don't need to. I'm a bit amused by this thread and the Leopard hatred.

It's not hatred, at least not here. What I don't understand is why people are trying to convince others Leopard is a necessary purchase.

Almost everyone acknowledges there are some good features in Leopard but I have not seen a single reason posted or advertised anywhere that demonstrates a must have feature or function.

Will some of the new features improve productivity for some, maybe.

No one is saying don't buy Leopard . Buy it if you want it. Just don't expect the rest of the world to jump on the bandwagon with nothing more than a few nice features as a reason.

Cheers,