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Why do some people prefer Tiger over Leopard?

clevin said:
you do realize that there are ~19 times more people who have the chance to wreck a windows computer. and there are unlimited hardware combinations might give windows a problem. right?
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Read previous posts and see the comparison is based on percentage of overall users and the millions of combinations are acknowledged in the post above that. I volunteer supporting Windows games as well, so I am very familiar with the limitless flexibility of the Windows platform, something I wish apple would relax just a bit in the area a video cards, thank you very much.

Still, this thread is about "Why Tiger?" I believe I have clearly articulated why most Mac users just don't NEED to upgrade. The whole XP/Vista bit is just an unnecessary distraction.

Cheers,
 
panzer06 said:
Still, this thread is about "Why Tiger?" I believe I have clearly articulated why most Mac users just don't NEED to upgrade. The whole XP/Vista bit is just an unnecessary distraction.
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Yes, this thread is about why Tiger, but for some of us who've used both Tiger AND XP, the "why Tiger" explanation is no different from the "why XP" explanation. Some of us see that link, and can find no better way to express why we'd stick with Tiger over Leopard than to reference how we (and others) would rather stick with XP instead of Vista. You may have "clearly articulated why most Mac users just don't NEED to upgrade", but some of us are also articulating how this, too, is no different on the Windows side. You might view Vista as a necessary upgrade to XP, but I don't, and lots of other people don't--in the same way someone might view Leopard as a necessary upgrade to Tiger, while I'd be happy to disagree. If we see the analogy as valid, we have the right to make it. Of course, you have the right to disagree. But implying we should stop making the analogy because you don't agree with it isn't particularly conducive to the discussion...
 
heatmiser said:
If we see the analogy as valid, we have the right to make it. Of course, you have the right to disagree. But implying we should stop making the analogy because you don't agree with it isn't particularly conducive to the discussion...
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Of course you have every right to see connections in the analogous presentation of the XP, Vista argument vis-a-vie Tiger/Leopard.

It doesn't matter to me if people continue to make this connection.

I'm merely trying to point out, that while Microsoft may have felt a true necessity to upgrade XP (even if users of their products do not), Apple was/is certainly under no similar pressure to upgrade Tiger for any reason other than to increase revenues and profits by offering a new version of a product that more than satisfies the NEEDS of most Mac users.

In that, the user perception of "upgrade need" (or lack thereof) for both products can be construed as similar; I personally believe there was a more pronounced corporate/marketplace need for Microsoft to come up with something (or anything) to combat XP's constant security concerns and Apple's emergence as a possible threat to Microsoft's hegemony at the desktop.

I guess I am just frustrated because APPLE DID NOT NEED to issue this upgrade, at this time, and that by doing so, has introduced a product that is disruptive to the installed base and does not SIGNIFICANTLY enhance Apple's product line or market perception.

Happy New Year everyone,
 
i have the new leopard install dvd sitting on my desk already since leopards release. but so far i haven't heard of any new feature that i personally would need. so i wait with the upgrade till 10.5.3 or later.

there are however a lot of features that i would like to see in a new os and leopard doesn't have them (finder improvements, syncing, .mac integration...).

i somehow feel this os upgrade is only a cosmetic one (i don't know about the "under the hood" improvements though).
 
andiwm2003 said:
there are however a lot of features that i would like to see in a new os and leopard doesn't have them (finder improvements, syncing, .mac integration...).

i somehow feel this os upgrade is only a cosmetic one (i don't know about the "under the hood" improvements though).
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I concur. BTW, love the Leopard snail!

Cheers,
 
I use XP and Tiger, happily. I think it's difficult for all company's experiencing particularly strong surge of success to stay on target. With the upward graph slopes come expectations and orgiastic greed from the marketing/business side of the company. Apple is no different in this regard, although hopefully they're progressive enough to realize what's happening before that side of the business allows their real bread winners, the Apple minded developers and engineers to wander away.

I've mentioned this in other threads, but one of the consequences of Apple's recent aggressive mass marketing to less savvy users is that any flaws, real or perceived, are amplified by the user's inability to cope with them. Tiger is everything the "Mac Guy" represents, whereas Leopard is discrediting.

Apple is founded on being functionally innovative, but are beginning to veer down a rock star path of functionally excessive. I don't care about pretty graphical gimmicks, I just want pro apps that don't crash.. or as of late run at all. I'll upgrade every couple of years, fine, but at the very least keep what works working.

I didn't buy Leopard because I was expecting a Mac Pro upgrade. I'm glad I didn't and furthermore can understand why there hasn't been a MP upgrade. Because most pro's don't want to run Leopard and they can't release a new flagship workstation with the old OS. This is what happens when you let the idiot marketers steer the ship even for a short time. They know nothing of navigation, only of where they want to go and they all have different ideas of how to get there.
 
Just have to say... I caved in.:eek: Running Leopard on the Power Mac G5 now and it is bad to the bone. I can't make the beachball spin! It is already a nice looking and powerful OS.:cool:
 
Eric Piercey said:
I use XP and Tiger, happily. I think it's difficult for all company's experiencing particularly strong surge of success to stay on target. With the upward graph slopes come expectations and orgiastic greed from the marketing/business side of the company. Apple is no different in this regard, although hopefully they're progressive enough to realize what's happening before that side of the business allows their real bread winners, the Apple minded developers and engineers to wander away.

I've mentioned this in other threads, but one of the consequences of Apple's recent aggressive mass marketing to less savvy users is that any flaws, real or perceived, are amplified by the user's inability to cope with them. Tiger is everything the "Mac Guy" represents, whereas Leopard is discrediting.

Apple is founded on being functionally innovative, but are beginning to veer down a rock star path of functionally excessive. I don't care about pretty graphical gimmicks, I just want pro apps that don't crash.. or as of late run at all. I'll upgrade every couple of years, fine, but at the very least keep what works working.

I didn't buy Leopard because I was expecting a Mac Pro upgrade. I'm glad I didn't and furthermore can understand why there hasn't been a MP upgrade. Because most pro's don't want to run Leopard and they can't release a new flagship workstation with the old OS.
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My Mac Pro runs Leopard just fine....as well as or better than it ran Tiger.
 
I upgraded (archive and install) and am kinda regretting it...

Network connection is just so unstable, with random "you are not connected to the internet" dropped connections happening continuously, network drives with dirsupted connections etc. This happens on laptops wirelessly connected and also my iMac that has an ethernet tethered connection.

Also I've never managed to get Video iChat or the fabled Back to My Mac to work outside of my home network. Finally I'm experiencing an increasing number of Safari crashes.

Overall I like the new OS but the above issues are beginning to wear me down and have eroded that wonderful sense of solidity/stability I enjoyed under Tiger.

I'm currently clinging on to the hope that the next upgrade will resolve at least the network issues....

Vanilla
 
mad jew said:
Tiger works so well for me right now, and I haven't found a good enough reason to get Leopard.
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Yeh that's what I said too. Then I logged on and started using my power mac G5 from my wife's intel macbook... accessed all my folders and files... edited a couple photos and saved to iPhoto... hit safari and was automatically given a clean desktop with safari window only in another 'page' (i used desktop manager a lot but it had more bugs than pages) The user interface is not compatible yet with one of my fav apps... candy bar. But appearances aside, it's running my heavy duty apps better than under Tiger.;)

I haven't had a single issue yet with Leopard. Besides that it cost me more money again.:p
 
...But you see, a lack of problems isn't enough for me to stand up, walk to the car, drive to the retailer, grab a box of Leopard, lay out my cash, walk back to the car, drive home and install. :p
 
mad jew said:
...But you see, a lack of problems isn't enough for me to stand up, walk to the car, drive to the retailer, grab a box of Leopard, lay out my cash, walk back to the car, drive home and install. :p
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Order it on the internet, then all you have to do is sit down.

Whenever I go back to use Tiger I feel so cramped and wish it had the features of Leopard.
 
I still have to go find my wallet. That's at least three minutes of my life I'll never get back. :p

In all seriousness, I'm fully aware I'll eventually get leopard but I think I'll just wait until I get a new machine with it preinstalled. I use it at work a bit and it's okay, but not great.
 
mad jew said:
I still have to go find my wallet. That's at least three minutes of my life I'll never get back. :p

In all seriousness, I'm fully aware I'll eventually get leopard but I think I'll just wait until I get a new machine with it preinstalled. I use it at work a bit and it's okay, but not great.
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i thought mods had to be up to date haha. get with it man!
 
My MBP 2.4 has been giving those "Kernel Panics" almost everyday now...... and I don't know what the hell is going on... for no apparent reason... the screen freezes and the grey line comes down slowly and then the message pops up to hold the power button... everything is up to date... I'm so getting sick of this crap leopard... hopefully 10.5.2 will fix this crap
 
Sptz said:
My MBP 2.4 has been giving those "Kernel Panics" almost everyday now...... and I don't know what the hell is going on... for no apparent reason... the screen freezes and the grey line comes down slowly and then the message pops up to hold the power button... everything is up to date... I'm so getting sick of this crap leopard... hopefully 10.5.2 will fix this crap
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Kernel panics are usually a hardware issue. You could have bad ram or logic board errors. If it is happening everyday I would reinstall the OS and keep an eye on it if it keeps happening then call apple as you really shouldn't be having this.
 
panzer06 said:
Almost everyone acknowledges there are some good features in Leopard but I have not seen a single reason posted or advertised anywhere that demonstrates a must have feature or function.
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Do you use network shares on a notebook or other machine that is constantly being moved on and off the network? Then Leopard's fix for the longstanding hang on share disappearance is probably compelling. It is for me.

I also find Spaces compelling, and, unlike VirtueDesktops, Spaces actually works with only minor issues. Putting my Vista and XP installs (run via VMWare) full-screen in their own Space has been by far the most usable way to deal with them.

I've had no Safari stability problems and Time Machine has already saved my a$$ twice (from overly-hasty deletions). The only bug that has bit me is the (badly) broken iDisk syncing. The network share fix (and feature enhancements) are worth much more to me than a synced iDisk.
 
xUKHCx said:
Kernel panics are usually a hardware issue. You could have bad ram or logic board errors. If it is happening everyday I would reinstall the OS and keep an eye on it if it keeps happening then call apple as you really shouldn't be having this.
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But how could this happen now? I have it since this last summer, and it has always been perfect, and now it starts doing this... on Leopard, 'cause on Tiger I had zero problems...

p.s. Running Apple Hardware Diagnostic (Extensive Test) right now... should come up with something if hardware is having problems right?
 
Sptz said:
But how could this happen now? I have it since this last summer, and it has always been perfect, and now it starts doing this... on Leopard, 'cause on Tiger I had zero problems...
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Multiple possible reasons... Leopard might be using more of your RAM, reaching the bad part... some people have said that Leopard is more sensitive to certain logic board problems... coincidence... a bad Leopard install.

Try creating a new user. If that doesn't solve the problem, try a clean install of Leopard. If that doesn't solve the problem, you probably have a hardware problem.

Sptz said:
p.s. Running Apple Hardware Diagnostic (Extensive Test) right now... should come up with something if hardware is having problems right?
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Not always.
 
dal20402 said:
Do you use network shares on a notebook or other machine that is constantly being moved on and off the network? Then Leopard's fix for the longstanding hang on share disappearance is probably compelling. It is for me.

I also find Spaces compelling, and, unlike VirtueDesktops, Spaces actually works with only minor issues. Putting my Vista and XP installs (run via VMWare) full-screen in their own Space has been by far the most usable way to deal with them.

I've had no Safari stability problems and Time Machine has already saved my a$$ twice (from overly-hasty deletions). The only bug that has bit me is the (badly) broken iDisk syncing. The network share fix (and feature enhancements) are worth much more to me than a synced iDisk.
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That network issue seems very annoying. If I had such a problem I might be compelled to do something, anything to resolve it. However, while I connect to two shares each day, I've never had a hang or freeze because I unplugged. The shares eventually drop and a little message comes up telling be the connection was lost and click "Disconnect", which I do and that's that. I have to either log back in or manually reconnect once I'm back online but that's it.

Still, the lack of Adobe support for CS2, all the other little apps I am waiting to get updated, AND most importantly, nothing is wrong with my current system or backup methodology so I am just not inspired, driven nor compelled to upgrade.

Cheers,
 
dal20402 said:
Multiple possible reasons... Leopard might be using more of your RAM, reaching the bad part... some people have said that Leopard is more sensitive to certain logic board problems... coincidence... a bad Leopard install.

Try creating a new user. If that doesn't solve the problem, try a clean install of Leopard. If that doesn't solve the problem, you probably have a hardware problem.



Not always.
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I'm gonna do a clean install of Leopard when I can (lot of work right now). If the problem does persist when I take to an Apple Store what are they going to do with it? Send it to fix it or give me a new one? :rolleyes:
 
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