Why do Window users hate macs?

[duffman9000]

Why do PC users hate Macs (or Apple)?

1. Quicktime - Now before people start defending Quicktime, use it on a PC. PC users are united in their hatred of Quicktime. It runs nothing like Quicktime on a Mac. I uninstall QT as soon as the iTunes install finishes.
2. Gaming - Way cheaper and much wider selection of games on the PC.
3. Smug attitude - We would love to drop a cup of coffee on your Mac as you sit writting your (alleged) screenplay at the local Starbucks.
4. Apple's right, you're wrong - No MMS (yet) on iPhone, hey just use email! Glossy screen on MBP is best, we won't give you an option for a matte screen (until just recently). This behavior is typical of Apple.
5. Pre-Intel CPU benchmarks - Were a source of great amusement. Just admit it guys, the RDF was working overtime back then.
6. Jailbreak iPhone == DDoS
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/07/jailbreak/


Why do PC users admire Macs?
1. Hardware - MBPs and the clean look of Mac Pros.
2. Brand image - Apple extended warranty coverage to 3 years due to nVidia's disaster. PC users as a whole got shafted with much shorter extended warranties. Few companies care about their image as much as Apple.


Love and Hate
1. iPhone - We like the iPhone, but detest ATT which means we have to hate Apple since scoundrels roll together.
2. Pretty Unix - But this is negated by the lack of customizability compared to Linux.

 

[No1451]

It's not just Windows users, it's both sides. Neither can admit that there is any good to the other guy's arguments. It is human nature and in no way reflects on any of the products in question, I own a MacBook for school(I wanted it cause it's pretty) and I have a custom built/watercooled Windows machine for when I really need to get my game on(hardware-wise a Mac gets trounced for this and you all know it).

But neither side will relent or even look at the other, divisions are common, just take a look at the world and our stupid arbitrary divisions of people and just be glad the Mac vs PC fight hasn't taken to the streets yet(unlike sports).

 

[Nugget]

When will the thread "Why do Mac users hate Windows?" arise? It would have the exact same point with the same arguments.

I don't think so. Not really. The vast majority of Mac users have experience using Windows. Many use Windows alongside OS X, either due to work or school or other reasons which keep Windows nearby. Their complaints about Windows (if they have them) are consequently informed by experience and first-hand knowledge.

The vast majority of Windows users have never really used OS X and their complaints tend to be a lot less tangible or specific. Many dislike OS X citing limitations which haven't existed since OS9.

Listening to the two groups is very different, in my experience.

 

[No1451]

I don't think so. Not really. The vast majority of Mac users have experience using Windows. Many use Windows alongside OS X, either due to work or school or other reasons which keep Windows nearby. Their complaints about Windows (if they have them) are consequently informed by experience and first-hand knowledge.

The vast majority of Windows users have never really used OS X and their complaints tend to be a lot less tangible or specific. Many dislike OS X citing limitations which haven't existed since OS9.

Listening to the two groups is very different, in my experience.

Despite the fact that you still have fanatics on both sides? Like people who suggest an iMac to someone who wants to game or for people who need to run Windows-specific software.

As for citing issues that no longer exist, both parties are guilty of that.

 

[djellison]

PC users are united in their hatred of Quicktime.

Actually - I quite like it.

 

[jbernie]

The only Apple products I own are a first gen U2 iPod, a 2nd gen Touch and an iPhone 3G S. So I guess you can't say I am totally anti Apple ... but you would probably need to give me a Mac system to use as I won't be buying one.

For me personally... cost... no real desire to relearn the way things work.. we only support PCs at work... I enjoy building my own PCs, there isn't any incentive to switch as a Windows PC does everything I need.

I won't say Apple makes an inferior product, just they don't make a product that suits my needs.

 

[bruinsrme]

I personally find macs very appealing. Ihave played on a mac for a few days and the funny thing is that I found that the mac and pc did every thing I wanted them to do but in a slightly different manner.
When it came down to my most recent purchase the MBP came in a lot higher than the XPS1530, even after the blu-ray internal player/burner4 and year warranty with accidental coverage and on site service.
If I didn't know anything about a mac and came to mac rumors to learn more, I don't think I would not have stuck around on MR.
I will admit I get far more news about what Microsoft is doing here on Macrumors than I do any where else.

 

[EmperorDarius]

Jealousy of course.

 

[Joyus]

I just think that humans are creatures of habit, the people who i have spoken to about mac's have always used Windows and nothing else. I guess that they dont like change and worried it will be a big difference. I also think its down to people using something that works and havent had many problems, so they think "why should they change??"

i have always used windows, i used it through college, uni and at home, now at work. I never used Mac until my friend introduced me to his MBP and i must admit i was blown away by it! Which is why i got one!

As from a personal experience i found that Windows did crash a fair bit for me and things like virus scanning etc also drained away the speed on the computer which got me frustrated...I just found that a Mac runs smoother...so for me its Apple's time to shine!

 

[bruinsrme]

Jealousy of course.

That has to be it.
I just wish I knew why

 

[mikeyhu]

That has to be it.
I just wish I knew why

I think your attitude just about sums up why PC users dislike Mac users. For some reason you believe you are a member of some superior species and that PC users should be jealous of you just because you bought a particular product.

Newsflash - it's the smugness and tribalism of some mac fanboys have that gets on most peoples nerves. Just by spending money on Apple products you don't become better than other people.

On the other hand, this is all just human nature, people will always try to belong to some group or another. It's interesting to see supposedly superior people act in the same way as rabid footie fans.

Speaking as a footie fan and mac/pc owner, of course

 

[bruinsrme]

I think your attitude just about sums up why PC users dislike Mac users. For some reason you believe you are a member of some superior species and that PC users should be jealous of you just because you bought a particular product.

Newsflash - it's the smugness and tribalism of some mac fanboys have that gets on most peoples nerves. Just by spending money on Apple products you don't become better than other people.

On the other hand, this is all just human nature, people will always try to belong to some group or another. It's interesting to see supposedly superior people act in the same way as rabid footie fans.

Speaking as a footie fan and mac/pc owner, of course

What?
Why would I be jealous of a mac? If you read my other post I pretty much said both work for me they just go about doing things a little differently.

 

[mikeyhu]

What?
Why would I be jealous of a mac? If you read my other post I pretty much said both work for me they just go about doing things a little differently.

I didn't say you were jealous of a mac, I just think that it's probably incorrect to assume that jealousy is the main reason why pc users dislike macs (and mac users). Mac users' assumptions of mac envy says more about mac users than it does about PC users.

I'm glad that both mac and pc work for you. Most pc users are happily getting on with doing stuff on their computers and most Mac users are doing the same. Lets be like them and not get involved in any more fanboyism

 

[Unspoken Demise]

I use windows and I love macs. That is because I am forced to use it at work, and too poor to buy it for home.

 

[garybUK]

Back in the old PPC v's Pentium II/ Pentium III days it was a different story, the hardware differences made for pretty solid arguments for/against either side.

Now that Mac's are pretty much the same hardware as any PC then the argument becomes blurred. Obviously the mac fanboi's argue that it's OSX that makes the Mac stand out but now that Windows 7 is out even that is becoming pretty blurred.

Can you justify spending more on a laptop because it looks nicer and runs OSX? if so great, it's your choice. I have a Macbook Pro and i love it, but i wouldn't say it's built any better than a equivalent value PC laptop.

It's all down to choice, enjoy your choice and stop worrying about what person x bought.

Personally, in this economic climate, i like to support European companies by buying products made by EU companies.

 

[uberamd]

Why do PC users hate Macs (or Apple)?

1. Quicktime - Now before people start defending Quicktime, use it on a PC. PC users are united in their hatred of Quicktime. It runs nothing like Quicktime on a Mac. I uninstall QT as soon as the iTunes install finishes.

Agreed.

2. Gaming - Way cheaper and much wider selection of games on the PC.

Agreed. Now that I am past the gaming phase in my life and looking more at using my system for college and work this point is moot to me.

3. Smug attitude - We would love to drop a cup of coffee on your Mac as you sit writting your (alleged) screenplay at the local Starbucks.

That is just stereotyping by you. Owning a Mac doesn't mean you sit around at coffee shops writing screen plays, poems, or anything else of the sort. When I take my Mac to a coffee shop, its to download music illegally. So get your head out of your a** and quit with the stereotypes.

4. Apple's right, you're wrong - No MMS (yet) on iPhone, hey just use email! Glossy screen on MBP is best, we won't give you an option for a matte screen (until just recently). This behavior is typical of Apple.

So? What company bends over backwards fulfilling your every request? Microsoft? HP? Dell? Don't make me laugh. I don't care about MMS not because I think Apple is right, but because I am not a high school kid who needs to MMS images of everything to people. Absolutely nobody I know uses MMS.

And go find me a Dell that offers an identical system with both a glossy screen and a matte screen? Not very available are they? Apple doesn't make as many 'models' of laptops and desktops as these manufacturers so its easier for a company to offer a specific matte model, and harder for Apple since they only have 3 models of system.

Oh and Apple listened and added matte again, show me any PC company that listens to their customers.

5. Pre-Intel CPU benchmarks - Were a source of great amusement. Just admit it guys, the RDF was working overtime back then.

Quit living in the past, how many people still look at PPC benchmarks?

Love and Hate
1. iPhone - We like the iPhone, but detest ATT which means we have to hate Apple since scoundrels roll together.

The AT&T hate is strange. If you actually conducted a poll, you would realize that many more people like AT&T than dislike it. Also, putting the iPhone on any other network (take Verizon for example, the network Jesus made apparently) and suddenly you expect the iPhone to be zomg amazingly wonderful? Total BS.

2. Pretty Unix - But this is negated by the lack of customizability compared to Linux.

I used to tweak my windows install constantly, changing the look of feature X, Y, and Z. Then I got a Mac with its limited ability to customize and what do ya know, I started getting more stuff done.

Now that Mac's are pretty much the same hardware as any PC then the argument becomes blurred. Obviously the mac fanboi's argue that it's OSX that makes the Mac stand out but now that Windows 7 is out even that is becoming pretty blurred.

Don't relate OS X to Windows 7. Windows 7 is still Vista. Anyone with 2 eyes and a brain should be able to figure out that the OS lines are not becoming blurred at all.

Can you justify spending more on a laptop because it looks nicer and runs OSX? if so great, it's your choice. I have a Macbook Pro and i love it, but i wouldn't say it's built any better than a equivalent value PC laptop.

BINGO. There we have it folks, the COST argument! The nonsensical argument that Mac's are a lot more than a PC. Simply not the case. My Dell E1505: $1800, My Macbook Pro: $1800. End of story.

And PC's are made out of plastic. To me, thats reason enough to get a Mac. I am amazed by the number of Windows users that see my Macbook Pro or Macbook Air and tell me "wow, I am getting a Mac next". The looks, and hardware build quality (aluminum > plastic) are worlds apart. I have seen MANY people over the summer switch to Mac's. And these people are non technical users who don't follow rumor sites or anything like that. Why is that if the lines are becoming blurred?

 

[gilkisson]

Back in the old PPC v's Pentium II/ Pentium III days it was a different story, the hardware differences made for pretty solid arguments for/against either side.

It was still argument. Still is. Not much has changed.

Now that Mac's are pretty much the same hardware as any PC then the argument becomes blurred. Obviously the mac fanboi's argue that it's OSX that makes the Mac stand out but now that Windows 7 is out even that is becoming pretty blurred.

They are not the same, really. In fact, you can say that Apple hardware is a subset of PC-compatible hardware. A very specific subset. Therefore, a one-to-one comparison Apple-to-PC is for all purposes impossible. The statement "Macs are the same hardware as any PC" is false.

The Mac "fanbois" (such an original derogatory) do not merely argue the difference is due to OSX alone. It is the combination of OSX working with that specifically-crafted hardware set which results in what Apple users appreciate.

Oh, and Win7 isn't out yet. You are comparing an unknown value with a known value.

Can you justify spending more on a laptop because it looks nicer and runs OSX? if so great, it's your choice. I have a Macbook Pro and i love it, but i wouldn't say it's built any better than a equivalent value PC laptop.

Spending more? True, it is possible to spend more on a Mac than on a PC. It is also possible to spend more on a PC than on a given Mac model.

"Equivalent value" is a term which isn't defined. It's up to the buyer.

And it is up to me to "justify" what I buy, to myself. I do not have to justify anything to anyone else.

It's all down to choice, enjoy your choice and stop worrying about what person x bought.

100% agree.

Personally, in this economic climate, i like to support European companies by buying products made by EU companies.

That is your right. Your choices of operating system are thereby limited, of course. So if you wish to show your support of the EU, will you run something which runs IE? Just curious...

 

[djellison]

My Dell E1505: $1800, My Macbook Pro: $1800. End of story.

Yeah - end of story.

Tell me - what 17" laptop should someone buy on a budget of <£500 in the Apple line up?

 

[gilkisson]

Yeah - end of story.

Tell me - what 17" laptop should someone buy on a budget of <£500 in the Apple line up?

You won't find one. Might have to settle for less, for less.

 

[duffman9000]

That is just stereotyping by you. Owning a Mac doesn't mean you sit around at coffee shops writing screen plays, poems, or anything else of the sort. When I take my Mac to a coffee shop, its to download music illegally. So get your head out of your a** and quit with the stereotypes.

Prime example of #3 - Smug attitude and had to resort to profanity.

So? What company bends over backwards fulfilling your every request? Microsoft? HP? Dell? Don't make me laugh. I don't care about MMS not because I think Apple is right, but because I am not a high school kid who needs to MMS images of everything to people. Absolutely nobody I know uses MMS.

Example of #4 - Apple's right, you're wrong. Just because you don't use the function means it's worthless.

And go find me a Dell that offers an identical system with both a glossy screen and a matte screen? Not very available are they? Apple doesn't make as many 'models' of laptops and desktops as these manufacturers so its easier for a company to offer a specific matte model, and harder for Apple since they only have 3 models of system.

Another example of #4 - Apple's right, you're wrong. You fail to mention that Apple had been offering glossy/matte screen options. Then they stopped. Then the option returned.

Oh and Apple listened and added matte again, show me any PC company that listens to their customers.

Another example of #3 - Smug attitude. Ughh, Microsoft with Windows 7. Does listening to customer complaints ring a bell?

Quit living in the past, how many people still look at PPC benchmarks?

Another example of #4 - Apple's right, you're wrong. You don't even attempt to dispute that these benchmarks were ridiculous. That's why they will never be forgotten. Just like MS's Clippy.

I used to tweak my windows install constantly, changing the look of feature X, Y, and Z. Then I got a Mac with its limited ability to customize and what do ya know, I started getting more stuff done.

Another example of #4 - Apple's right, you're wrong. You don't need to customize your OS! Why would you need to customize your OS?

Don't relate OS X to Windows 7. Windows 7 is still Vista. Anyone with 2 eyes and a brain should be able to figure out that the OS lines are not becoming blurred at all.

Hahahah... now that takes the cake. The biggest and most noticeable difference between the two is the UI. Read here and learn:
http://arstechnica.com/software/news/2009/01/dock-and-windows-7-taskbar.ars

 

[ZachsMacDaddy]

Many many years ago I was a Mac basher. I used to call them computers for people who can't use a computer.

I have seen the light.

Not everyone wants to spend their days playing in the registry, tweaking the OS to get every last bit of power & speed with that "magic setting." Some people just want a computer that works.

Sure the Mac simplifies things. What's wrong with that? If you want to tweak on a Mac and get into the *nix stuff on it, it's there for the playing. I know a lot of people who just don't understand Windows but I could sit them at a Mac and they would be fine with the interface. I know some that are the other way around too.

Software - how easy is it to just drop an application on the Mac and just start using it. Even those that use installers are really easy. Uninstallation is a lot easier too for the most part.

Updates on the Mac are great too. I hate how Microsoft has me download 50+ updates, then reboot and download 20 updates to updates, only to have to reboot and download another 5 updates to the other updated updates.

By day I do IT support, administration and development. At home I use a Macbook and I also have a Windows box in the basement. My wife is still on Windows, until I can afford to get her a new Mini one day.

My only real gripe with Macs would be the price. I know, you get what you pay for and there's a lot of hidden value in that price tag. But I still have that fear that if my Macbook breaks from accidental damage, I'm not going to be able to go buy a new one. Not all Mac users can afford to upgrade every 6 months like some do. I had to sell my old Macbook and Mini to buy my new Macbook.

 

[jzuena]

People "hate" Macs not because of the computers or products themselves, but because of it's (mostly) smug user base. Nothing kills me more than seeing a Mac fanboy spew "winblowz sucks!!1! MACs hav no viruses lolololol", or they put their blinders on and only see Apple and immediately outright hate on anything Microsoft related. And then they wonder why everyone hates them! I mean even every platform is going to have some kind of idiot fanboys, but still.

I love Apple. I love Macs. But I find myself having a hard time disagreeing with people when they say most Mac users are smug. I know Macs are awesome, and I would love to have more people use them. But you can't be a douche about it. Instead of putting down Windows or telling Windows users their wrong, invite them to try out OS X.

But which came first, the chicken or the egg? Maybe the Mac users "hate" the Windows users because the Windows users were first with "Macs sux!!! They are too expen$ive!!! They can't play Foodangle XXIV!!!" Its all a vicious circle that could have started from either side (and for different people it probably did start from different sides).

Personally, in this economic climate, i like to support European companies by buying products made by EU companies.

Um, last time I checked Microsoft is based in Redmond, Washington, USA, which is not in Europe (see, some Americans do know geography!). Or are you going to buy a European designed machine that is built in China (just like Macs) and put Linux on it? At least Linus Torvalds was originally from Finland, which is part of the EU.

If you don't go with Linux your choices boil down to a Chinese-built machine running a US-designed OS (OS X) vs. a Chinese-built machine running a US-designed OS (Windows). Even with Linux you get a Chinese-built machine running a derivative of a US-designed OS (UNIX).

 

[instaxgirl]

a ton of reasons:
My friends who dislike macs have shown:

1)Some people just spent a ton of money on a new PC laptop and cant accept that they made a bad decision so they reinforce their purchase and complain how any alternative is stupid.

Some people, having just spent a tonne of money on a new PC laptop don't want their "friend" to come along and tell them that they made a "bad decision".

It's their computer, if they're happy with it then why be a **** about it?

 

[uberamd]

Some people, having just spent a tonne of money on a new PC laptop don't want their "friend" to come along and tell them that they made a "bad decision".

It's their computer, if they're happy with it then why be a **** about it?

Because then they call me whining, "Steve, I got a virus can you come help me remove it! I keep getting popups and crap."

 

[djellison]

Many many years ago I was a Mac basher. I used to call them computers for people who can't use a computer.

I have seen the light.

Not everyone wants to spend their days playing in the registry, tweaking the OS to get every last bit of power & speed with that "magic setting." Some people just want a computer that works.

Errr - I've had people telling me to use the terminal to get Safari to stop crashing. I've never had to play with the registry on my XP workstation. Amazingly - it just works.

Sorry - this is typical mac-centric bull. It's because of people saying things like that - that Mac users have such a bad reputation. For being smug, and for lying.