Same could be said about Blu-Ray drives. Even Sony now bundles one blu-ray and HDMI in their cheap E series laptop which cost less than MBP 13
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Why does Apple hate HDMI?
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This shows you didn't read his quote all that carefully, because he specifically stated that HDMI is for TVs. DisplayPort is for computers. It's a better plug, supports more technology (and currently a higher resolution IIRC), and takes up less space (with mDP). Just because you don't see a use for DP doesn't mean that others don't. And HDMI is far from ubiquitous.
iF HDMI is for Tv's why don't they make a plug that's straight from TV HDMI to Computer MDP instead of needing an MDP adapter? I was j/w
and can someone answer my question about: does anyone know how to watch videos on TV on maximum screeen (so it fills the whole tv screen) without it automatically minimizing when I tried to use my Macbook Pro? I was told you are able to use your computer while watching a video through HDMI but when I try to click around my comp, the video screen automatically resizes
I'm not sure if it's just me or if I'm just nto able to use the computer while watching videos through my comp
...I know this has already been established, but here's the way Apple sees it (at least I think):
HDMI = good for connecting a device to a TV (duh), so we have the Mac mini and Apple TV with these capabilities, since the Mac mini is often used with a TV.
Mini DisplayPort = good for everything else - you can use it with MDP displays, VGA displays, DVI displays, and HDMI TVs. Although HDMI may be more prevalent in the TV world, Apple's vision is that you'd get an Apple TV to connect to your TV and keep your computer somewhere else. Eventually when more DisplayPort products arrive, you'll be able to connect 3 or 4 displays to your MacBook, rather than just be limited to one (or more with USB).
The point is that HDMI is a right now technology, while DisplayPort is only on the verge of exploding. This is the same complaint people had when Macs started shipping with DVI instead of VGA. Now, most LCDs come with both DVI and VGA ports.
If you have to connect your computer to an HDMI TV set, just get an adapter - they've existed since the days of DVI (I have one), and be happy that you have a connector that is future-proof.
HDMI = good for connecting a device to a TV (duh), so we have the Mac mini and Apple TV with these capabilities, since the Mac mini is often used with a TV.
Mini DisplayPort = good for everything else - you can use it with MDP displays, VGA displays, DVI displays, and HDMI TVs. Although HDMI may be more prevalent in the TV world, Apple's vision is that you'd get an Apple TV to connect to your TV and keep your computer somewhere else. Eventually when more DisplayPort products arrive, you'll be able to connect 3 or 4 displays to your MacBook, rather than just be limited to one (or more with USB).
The point is that HDMI is a right now technology, while DisplayPort is only on the verge of exploding. This is the same complaint people had when Macs started shipping with DVI instead of VGA. Now, most LCDs come with both DVI and VGA ports.
If you have to connect your computer to an HDMI TV set, just get an adapter - they've existed since the days of DVI (I have one), and be happy that you have a connector that is future-proof.
Well, as I asked those who would argue against my position, what could I plug into the DisplayPort other than a dongle? Despite my numerous examples of what we the people use HDMI for everyday I have yet to read of an example of anything that we would use a DisplayPort for.
As for size, my Canon has a mini-HDMI jack.
If HDMI is "far from ubiquitous" then show me some examples. I can think of one. My Breville toaster does not have an HDMI
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wait, let me get this straight. you can connect several external displays with one mini display port?
care to share how?
No one is using Apple TV. That thing is dead.
People -who happen to be Apple customers also- are using laptops to play video, look at pictures etc. on their flat panel TVs. This seems perfectly in line with what a laptop is for, a sophisticated, portable, multi-use device.
People in this forum complain that HD resolution is too much on their laptop. No one has ever complained in any computer forum that I have read that 1080P resolution made the fonts too big and blurry and they needed resolution that far exceeded 1080P. Hence no demand for DisplayPort connectivity.
The future is here. It's called HDMI.
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HP just released a new version of their dm3 laptop. 13" screen, 3.99lb weight. Has a $25 backlit keyboard option as a BTO (should be standard on every laptop). Also has HDMI and an E-SATA/USB combo port. $574- with the backlit keyboard.
It's like a MBA for the masses that has usable battery life. Also looks solidly built in the laptopmag video review.
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Yes, mDP supports daisy chaining though that hasnt been implemented on any of the current displays.
DVD9, you had the opportunity to make a compelling thread, but all this constant AAPL HATES TEH HDMI'S UGH SO USELESS MAI $5K MACHINE SUX nonsense is tiring. Why did you buy a macbook in the first place if you knew outputting to TV was part of your workflow? Why are you surprised that Apple uses DP when Apple sells displays that use DP??
The key word is eventually...it's a streaming technology, rather than something more like VGA or DVI where it maps a pin for a particular purpose.
From Wikipedia's entry:
DisplayPort version 1.2 was approved on December 22, 2009. Most significant improvement of the new version is the doubling of the bandwidth up to 17.28 Gbit/s, which allows for increased resolutions, higher refresh rates, and greater color depth. Other improvements include multiple independent video streams (daisy-chain connection with multiple monitors), support for stereoscopic 3D, increased AUX channel bandwidth (from 1 Mbit/s to 720 Mbit/s), Global Time Code (GTC) for sub 1 µs audio/video synchronisation, and addition of Apple Inc.'s Mini DisplayPort connector, which is much smaller and more appropriate for laptop computers and other small devices.
...and:
Advantages over legacy standards
-Based on micro-packet protocol
-Multiple video streams over single physical connection (version 1.2)
-Supports high resolution displays and multiple displays with a single cable
17.28 Gbit/s of video bandwidth, enough for supporting 4 simultaneous 1080p60 displays or 2560 × 1600 × 30 bit @120 Hz
Dual link DVI - 7.92 Gbit/s or 330 MHz pixel clock, HDMI 1.3 - 8.16 Gbit/s or 340 MHz, analog VGA - 400 Mhz
So, the point is that one port could power multiple displays, but we just don't have those displays on the market right now.
So dead that the new revision that is cheaper, getting pretty good press, and is more cloud-based with iOS-tie-ins that was released last week is already a failure before getting into people's hands? I know plenty of non Apple die-hards that want to get one to put their media in another room, especially if they have a desktop computer and Netflix account.
I don't disagree with that statement, but not everyone who buys a laptop wants to do that. I have the appropriate cables to connect my computer to a HDTV...hell, they're even in the same room about 85% of the time, but I just don't find myself using it that much. I know I can't speak for every consumer out there, but I don't see what the problem is with building a product that has one port and then allowing people to choose what adapter they want to use. I know some people who would never use their computer with a VGA display or projector, so they don't need the VGA adapter, while others may never use it with an external DVI display, so why would they need that kind of connection. It's flexibility and simplicity (one port to do everything) over possible complication/extra engineering for a smaller percentage (more ports, larger motherboard to accommodate, confusion over which port to use). It's the same reason why the FireWire 400 port was dropped in favor of FW800 and the separate S-Video port disappeared off the earlier MacBook Pros compared to the PowerBooks they replaced.
I don't think anyone has really complained that "HD" is too much on their laptop. Personally, I'd love a laptop display with a high enough resolution that it matched the Retina Display on the iPhone 4-it's gorgeous. However, if you're running an external display, you may not care about the crispness of resolution as much as screen real-estate. A 30" LCD display is going to be much higher resolution than a 30" HDTV.
Even if outputting to TV was part of your workflow, there are many products out there that would achieve this with a Mini DisplayPort:
http://www.startech.com/item/MDP2HDMIMM6-6-ft-Mini-DisplayPort-to-HDMI-Cable-Male-to-Male.aspx (this one is a bit more on the expensive side, but it requires no other adapters or cabling)
Honestly it boils down to royalty/licensing fee's. Apple will avoid paying them for as long as they can and however they can, always have always will.
I do fine with my mbp and a hdmi adapter from mono price. I've probably played almost a hundred movies through that adapter.
I love people who spend all this money on a computer...and im sure they looked at a picture of what ports were on the computer before they bought it and then whine and moan after the fact that it doesnt have blah blah blah like it suprised them or something? MDP can convert to HDMI, go buy the damn $5 adapter and be quiet.
From Wikipedia: "DisplayPort has an advantage over HDMI in that it is royalty-free, while the HDMI royalty is 4¢ per device and has an annual fee of $10,000 for high-volume manufacturers."
I guess, APple has to pay the annual fee (because it uses HDMI in some devices). But it saves 4¢ per each MBP! Yeah, Apple is cheap (if you understand what I mean).
I guess, APple has to pay the annual fee (because it uses HDMI in some devices). But it saves 4¢ per each MBP! Yeah, Apple is cheap (if you understand what I mean).
Yeah, and HDMI has an advantage over DisplayPort in that EVERYTHING USES HDMI!!
My Droid X has HDMI while my $2500 MBP doesn't. WTF.
Sorry if this comes across as rude, but has anyone who is still complaining read this thread at all? DisplayPort carries HDMI and VGA and DVI and the DisplayPort protocol. Get an adapter or maybe you should've paid more attention when you bought your computer.
This would be the same as me being mad that my TV only had HDMI when my computer and everything else had DVI. Oh wait, I can get a cable to use any DVI-equipped computer with my HDMI TV. This thread has become even stupider than the iPhone vs. Android threads.
DVI and Mini-DVI do not (you need to run a separate audio cable). DisplayPort and Mini-DisplayPort do.
This is why Apple replaced the DVI and Mini-DVI ports found on the non-Unibody MacBook and MacBook Pros with a Mini-DisplayPort. It's a smaller connection, carries more kinds of signals (analog and digital video/audio), and will probably be more relevant in the future.
More from Wikipedia on the subject:
Compatibility with DVI and HDMI
DisplayPort is capable of directly emitting single-link HDMI and DVI signals using Dual-mode DisplayPort. VESA has issued interoperability guidelines for supporting single-link DVI and HDMI through a DisplayPort connection using a relatively simple passive adapter that adjusts for the lower voltages required by DisplayPort. Dual-mode DisplayPort chipset detects the DVI or HDMI passive adapter and switches to DVI/HDMI mode which uses the 4-lane main DisplayPort link and AUX channel link to transmit 3 TMDS signals plus a Clock signal and Display Data Channel data/clock from the chipset. Dual-mode compatible ports are marked with the DP++ logo; most current DisplayPort graphics cards and monitors support this mode.
Relationship with HDMI
The DisplayPort website states that DisplayPort is expected to complement HDMI, a popular compact audio/video interface. DisplayPort can emit HDMI video and audio using passive adapters connected to Dual-mode ports, and supports HDCP content protection used in the HDMI standard.
Most of the DisplayPort supporters are computer companies such as Apple, Dell, HP, Lenovo, Fujitsu, Toshiba and Acer, some of which have released several computer monitors that support DisplayPort and some also with HDMI.
Will I get 5.1 DD sound? and I don't have to use the headphone jack just the Mini displayport for both audio and video? if so that's awesome!
Well, as I asked those who would argue against my position, what could I plug into the DisplayPort other than a dongle? Despite my numerous examples of what we the people use HDMI for everyday I have yet to read of an example of anything that we would use a DisplayPort for.
As for size, my Canon has a mini-HDMI jack.
If HDMI is "far from ubiquitous" then show me some examples. I can think of one. My Breville toaster does not have an HDMI
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None of the computers in my house (Mac Pro, iMac, MacBook, and a hackintosh) have HDMI. My first Xbox 360 didn't have HDMI. My Wii doesn't have HDMI. Some of our DVD players don't have HDMI. Most newer graphics cards come with more DisplayPort connections than HDMI. None of the computers that my friends use have HDMI. I've yet to see a computer on my university campus with HDMI. Need I go on?
Computer monitors use DP extensively. That's essentially the same argument you made, only yours was for TVs. So I'll go with a better, cheaper standard that has fewer limitations and can support other standards well than with an inferior standard with more limitations.
From Best Buy (BB here on) for Xbox 360:
"More connections
Plug into the possibilities using five USB ports, an Ethernet port, an HDMI output and an all-new integrated optical audio out port for an easier connection to the booming sound of your A/V receive"
No DisplayPort.
From BB for Playstation3:
"HDMI output for 1080p resolution. Ensures that visuals come alive with incredible depth and clarity on your high-definition screen."
No DisplayPort.
So all your computers are Apples and they don't use HDMI? Do you know what thread you're posting in?
And your other equipment as you mention is old.
Put the old ***** out on the curb. Blow the cobwebs off your credit card and go buy some new ***** and join the HDMI victory parade.
Dude. Cell phones have HDMI ports too. They don't have DisplayPorts.
Cameras, cell phones, TVs, audio/video receivers. All the electronic gear that people use.
All of it that is not made by Apple.
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Patriot Box Office 1080p High-Definition Media Player
Plays everything (except **** you have to pay for). And on the back it has an HDMI jack to connect to your TV.
Huh? VGA, DVI and S-video? HDMI replaced all that ****.
Read any thread here where someone requests an HD resolution screen for the MBP 13".
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NO.
You're screwed.
HDMI ports manufactured at that time did so.
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