Why does Apple hate HDMI?

[blomma]

And I thought that this forum was all about hearing the voices of Apple users. Apparently not all voices are welcome hear. What exactly "billion dollar" has to do with HDMI? Are you trying to mention one more time that Apple makes its billions by skimping on $0.04 items (like HDMI port) wanted by many customers? If you do not need HDMI port, it's fine but why do you want to shut up those who want it? Are you an AAPL shareholder? People know that DP supports HDMI but many still want HDMI to avoid the hassle. Is that intolerable?




That seems to be a very popular advice on this forum. Want HDMI port? Buy HP. Want matte screen? Buy Dell. Want eSata port? Buy Sony. Want Express Card? Buy ASUS. Want USB 3.0? Buy Aser. Want quad core processor? Buy Toshiba. Want decent graphics card? Buy Lenovo. Why do you hate Apple so much?

Not hate, just sound advice. It's very simple, vote with your wallet. If you can't find a apple made device that suits your needs find something else that does. Apple has always been about being very select about which technologies they adopt and not trying to be everything and a kitchen sink unlike most other pc vendors.

 

[Hellhammer]

PS3 has a supercomputer processor from IBM. The ps3 simply has a tiny amount of ram. like 256-512mb if i remember correctly.

iPhone has a processor. Does the CPU make it a computer? No. So many things actually have a processor and other components but they aren't known as computers. I'm sure you got what I meant so no need to play with tiny details

 

[mulo]

this thread needs to die...

 

[Mackilroy]

From Best Buy (BB here on) for Xbox 360:

I guess you missed the part where I said my first Xbox 360. The original did not ship with HDMI.

From BB for Playstation3:

"HDMI output for 1080p resolution. Ensures that visuals come alive with incredible depth and clarity on your high-definition screen."

I know. I have a PS3. It sits unused except for Blu-ray.

So all your computers are Apples and they don't use HDMI? Do you know what thread you're posting in?

Nope, I obviously have no idea where I'm posting or what I'm doing. Enlighten me!

And your other equipment as you mention is old.

Put the old ***** out on the curb. Blow the cobwebs off your credit card and go buy some new ***** and join the HDMI victory parade.

Already did. Both of the DVD players I have use HDMI - I junked the old ones some time ago.

It's not much of a parade when HDMI is mostly useful only with televisions.

Dude. Cell phones have HDMI ports too. They don't have DisplayPorts.

Cameras, cell phones, TVs, audio/video receivers. All the electronic gear that people use.

All of it that is not made by Apple.
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Cell phones have HDMI? How is that remotely useful for a cell phone to have either HDMI or DP? I'm sure there's some reason, but if it's to show off photos or videos I'd rather use something meant for the purpose rather than my phone.

 

[HLdan]

And I thought that this forum was all about hearing the voices of Apple users. Apparently not all voices are welcome hear.


That seems to be a very popular advice on this forum. Want HDMI port? Buy HP. Want matte screen? Buy Dell. Want eSata port? Buy Sony. Want Express Card? Buy ASUS. Want USB 3.0? Buy Aser. Want quad core processor? Buy Toshiba. Want decent graphics card? Buy Lenovo. Why do you hate Apple so much?

Yeah, for the people that ARE actually Apple users and not PC users that come here because their lives are so miserable that they need to show how much they hate Apple by consistently writing posts daily that are anti-Apple just to annoy others.

And that last part that I highlighted, you should be asking yourself that question. Strange that you'd ask someone else that question.

 

[GamecockMac]

Why do you hate Apple so much?

People have been wondering that about your obsessed trolling of this forum for quite some time now. Any response?

 

[lilo777]

Yeah, for the people that ARE actually Apple users and not PC users that come here because their lives are so miserable that they need to show how much they hate Apple by consistently writing posts daily that are anti-Apple just to annoy others.

And that last part that I highlighted, you should be asking yourself that question. Strange that you'd ask someone else that question.

Are you saying that OP is a lier who does not have an MBP and came here just to make your life more difficult? Is that what you think about every poster who has ideas about improving Apple products? Is not it a little bit paranoid?

 

[GamecockMac]

Are you saying that OP is a lier who does not have an MBP and came here just to make your life more difficult? Is that what you think about every poster who has ideas about improving Apple products? Is not it a little bit paranoid?

No, he was referring to YOU. And what he said is quite obviously true.

 

[DVD9]

I guess you missed the part where I said my first Xbox 360. The original did not ship with HDMI.


I know. I have a PS3. It sits unused except for Blu-ray.


Nope, I obviously have no idea where I'm posting or what I'm doing. Enlighten me!


Already did. Both of the DVD players I have use HDMI - I junked the old ones some time ago.

It's not much of a parade when HDMI is mostly useful only with televisions.


Cell phones have HDMI? How is that remotely useful for a cell phone to have either HDMI or DP? I'm sure there's some reason, but if it's to show off photos or videos I'd rather use something meant for the purpose rather than my phone.

Does your first Xbox 360 have a DisplayPort? Do any of your DVD players? Have you found anything that you own other than an Apple computer or monitor that has a DisplayPort?

Apple has always been about being very select about which technologies they adopt and not trying to be everything and a kitchen sink unlike most other pc vendors.

I would classify inclusion of a VGA adapter as including the "kitchen sink". That has been replaced by HDMI. You could also throw into the kitchen sink category Firewire 800, as it has largely disappeared, and was surpassed as a transfer technology by E-SATA.

Many in this thread have defended DisplayPort as Apple "future proofing" the MBP. Well, if that is the idea then why didn't they make the USB ports 3.0 compliant? USB 3.0 is not a theory; like HDMI, by the middle of next year everyone will be using it, except for those who are buying MBP laptops right now.
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[tjb1]

http://www.directdial.com/P521-AVT.html


Laptops supporting DisplayPort (chronologically):
Apple MacBook, MacBook Pro and MacBook Air use Mini DisplayPort.
Alienware M11x, M15x and M17x.
Dell Adamo 13, Studio XPS 13 and Studio XPS 16, Latitude E6400, E6410, E6500, E6510, Z600 and Precision M2400, M4400, M4500, M6400, M6500, M6500 Covet.
Lenovo ThinkPad X301, T400s, T410s, T410, R500, T500, T510, W500, W510, W700, W700ds, W701, W701ds. (X200s, X200, X200 Tablet, X201s, X201, X201 Tablet support DisplayPort via the optional X200 Dockingstation.)
HP ProBook 5310m, 5320m, 6440b, 6445b, 6450b, 6455b, 6540b, 6545b, 6550b, 6555b, EliteBook 2540p, 8440p, 8440w, 8540p, 8540w, 8740w and Thin-Client t5740, t5745. HP Envy 14 and Envy 17 have Mini DisplayPort.
Fujitsu LifeBook S710, E780 and Celsius H700.
Toshiba Satellite Pro S500, Tecra M11, A11 and S11 with Mini DisplayPort.
Acer Aspire 8930, 8938, 8940 and 8942.
Asus M60J, B43, B53.


Why dont you go troll on one of the forums pertaining to one of those laptops... "Why does fujitsu hate hdmi????? :'(" The adapter is $5, MDP is smaller than HDMI port, MDP has more options than HDMI...why cant you understand this and stop dragging this thread on. AND im sure if Apple did include HDMI, you wouldnt be paying the $.04...more like $100 extra for it.

 

[Hellhammer]

Firewire 800, as it has largely disappeared, and was surpassed as a transfer technology by E-SATA.

eSATA may be faster but it's inferior by many means. It can't carry power which means that you need an external PSU. That sucks when you have 2.5" drive that you could use via bus power if you used USB or FW. Besides, mechanical HDs aren't fast enough to take advantage of the extra bandwidth that eSATA provides thus most people just use USB as it's more common and easier.

Many in this thread have defended DisplayPort as Apple "future proofing" the MBP. Well, if that is the idea then why didn't they make the USB ports 3.0 compliant? USB 3.0 is not a theory; like HDMI, by the middle of next year everyone will be using it, except for those who are buying MBP laptops right now.

Intel ain't adopting USB 3.0 before late 2011. That means it won't become the standard before that as most computer don't have it. When Intel adopts it, Apple must too.

Maybe you should try to get your facts right before you start giving false examples. You just turned a mouse into an elephant with this discussion. Seriously, a 10$ adapter can't be that big issue.

 

[Eddyisgreat]

Does your first Xbox 360 have a DisplayPort? Do any of your DVD players? Have you found anything that you own other than an Apple computer or monitor that has a DisplayPort?

OP Are you trolling? Be honest.

 

[GamecockMac]

OP Are you trolling? Be honest.

Yeah, he pretty much is. Pretty standard for this guy, really.

 

[HLdan]

Are you saying that OP is a lier who does not have an MBP and came here just to make your life more difficult? Is that what you think about every poster who has ideas about improving Apple products? Is not it a little bit paranoid?

I never said the OP was a liAr, keep in mind, it certainly wasn't the OP. Keep that in mind.

If you're referring to yourself in terms of having ideas about improving Apple products, if you call constant hate posts towards Apple and trying to sway people away from being a customer of theirs because you hate them so much, if that's your idea of "improving Apple products".....hmm...I don't think so.

 

[Hal Itosis]

What is it with Apple and HDMI? Apple does not even manufacture their own dongle to connect a Mac through HDMI.

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You would think that Apple would be embarrassed by this. $1200- at the low end for a MBP, and then you have to confront this headache to use HDMI, which the whole world is using.

I think dell's Bruce Montag, yes, DELL, says it best:
The Truth About DisplayPort vs. HDMI -- 19 Feb 2008

Well, maybe my coffee isn't strong enough. I read the quote from the Dell guy and I don't see any need for DisplayPort. HDMI however, that is ubiquitous. Why Apple refuses to accommodate it's customers needs on this obvious issue is apparently another mystery that can be joined alongside "Why is every computer shown in a movie or TV show an Apple?"

Clearly no one here can "fix this problem" for you... so what's the point? Perhaps you should read the comments which follow that Dell article (i've provided a link in the quote above), and then ask similar questions over there... to see what Dell's answer is.

As has been pointed out already, DP is about driving multiple monitors at resolutions higher than 1080. It's not as if Apple designs every single computer model exclusively for TV-watching teenagers. Perhaps the reason for HDMI's "popularity" has something to do with content protection (DRM)? idunno.

The HDMI/DP topic is a source of much discussion:

Connecting systems to displays with DVI, HDMI, DisplayPort -- 4 January 2007

Bridging the new DisplayPort standard -- 10 July 2008

DisplayPort versus HDMI: Do we really need two digital-display-interface standards? -- 18 September 2008
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...but your precise goal in bringing it up here is not quite clear.
Perhaps you seek others to commiserate and cry in their beer?

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EDIT: In fact, it appears fellow member matticus008 has provided some answers already (perhaps), in an earlier thread called "Apple Updates MacBook Pro Mini DisplayPort Implementation to Support Both Audio and Video":

post #106

post #153

 

[Mackilroy]

Does your first Xbox 360 have a DisplayPort? Do any of your DVD players? Have you found anything that you own other than an Apple computer or monitor that has a DisplayPort?
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DisplayPort did not exist then, so no.

And I actually don't have anything that uses DisplayPort right now. But I'd rather use it when I upgrade again than HDMI, which I only use with my television and nowhere else.

 

[ramzhh]

So dead that the new revision that is cheaper, getting pretty good press, and is more cloud-based with iOS-tie-ins that was released last week is already a failure before getting into people's hands? I know plenty of non Apple die-hards that want to get one to put their media in another room, especially if they have a desktop computer and Netflix account.



I don't disagree with that statement, but not everyone who buys a laptop wants to do that. I have the appropriate cables to connect my computer to a HDTV...hell, they're even in the same room about 85% of the time, but I just don't find myself using it that much. I know I can't speak for every consumer out there, but I don't see what the problem is with building a product that has one port and then allowing people to choose what adapter they want to use. I know some people who would never use their computer with a VGA display or projector, so they don't need the VGA adapter, while others may never use it with an external DVI display, so why would they need that kind of connection. It's flexibility and simplicity (one port to do everything) over possible complication/extra engineering for a smaller percentage (more ports, larger motherboard to accommodate, confusion over which port to use). It's the same reason why the FireWire 400 port was dropped in favor of FW800 and the separate S-Video port disappeared off the earlier MacBook Pros compared to the PowerBooks they replaced.



I don't think anyone has really complained that "HD" is too much on their laptop. Personally, I'd love a laptop display with a high enough resolution that it matched the Retina Display on the iPhone 4-it's gorgeous. However, if you're running an external display, you may not care about the crispness of resolution as much as screen real-estate. A 30" LCD display is going to be much higher resolution than a 30" HDTV.



Even if outputting to TV was part of your workflow, there are many products out there that would achieve this with a Mini DisplayPort:

http://www.startech.com/item/MDP2HDMIMM6-6-ft-Mini-DisplayPort-to-HDMI-Cable-Male-to-Male.aspx (this one is a bit more on the expensive side, but it requires no other adapters or cabling)

I'm very sorry, but I have yet to meet a person who has had difficulty finding the port that matches the cable that shall be plugged. Confusion? I've met some very unintelligent people, but all of them knew where to connect their VGA input cable - in the little holes that match the shape of the cable.

My point is, adding one or two ports to the side won't hurt. It saves you money you could spend on... socks? Everyone needs socks!

 

[gothamm]

apple does not care about black people.

 

[steviem]

apple does not care about black people.

http://www.apple.com/ipodtouch/features/facetime.html .... but look at their smiley faces...

 

[bigjobby]

adding one or two ports to the side won't hurt.

From an R&D, engineering and production point of view its not as simple as that and like any other company, Apple will always try and protect their margins. A modification in the displayport is far cheaper (and neater) than adding HDMI, DVI, VGA or whatever ports. Guess how Apple will recuperate the additional costs in R&D and engineering costs if they were to do that? Besides, where the heck are they going to put a few more ports? There's actually less space available than you think on the MBPs, even on the current 15" for that matter but I'll leave that to another thread.

An additional HDMI port should definitely not be high priority on the feature request list and should not be considered until Apple moves on from its current unibody design ; especially when the displayport + cable combo can do the job.

Anyway, the thread title is nonsense because if Apple hated HDMI, they wouldn't have bothered to modify the displayport to accommodate it.

 

[ramzhh]

From an R&D, engineering and production point of view its not as simple as that and like any other company, Apple will always try and protect their margins. A modification in the displayport is far cheaper (and neater) than adding HDMI, DVI, VGA or whatever ports. Guess how Apple will recuperate the additional costs in R&D and engineering costs if they were to do that? Besides, where the heck are they going to put a few more ports? There's actually less space available than you think on the MBPs, even on the current 15" for that matter but I'll leave that to another thread.

An additional HDMI port should definitely not be high priority on the feature request list and should not be considered until Apple moves on from its current unibody design ; especially when the displayport + cable combo can do the job.

Anyway, the thread title is nonsense because if Apple hated HDMI, they wouldn't have bothered to modify the displayport to accommodate it.

I see. One feature exchanged for another. Design and portability for more ports. I get ya. Sorry for the mis-understanding

Cheers

 

[lilo777]

apple does not care about black people.

Are you referring to the racial discrimination lawsuit filed against Apple which is mentioned in this article?

 

[HLdan]

Are you referring to the racial discrimination lawsuit filed against Apple which is mentioned in this article?

There ya go again, your Apple hate just never stops. It must be like pulling teeth for you to have a civil discussion about Apple products and marketing.
Great way to throw in your 2 cents by linking an article that almost 10 years old.
Because Apple's Facetime pics on their website show black people on them as well as other ethnicities makes that article look stupid and your point is dead.

 

[ecschwarz]

From an R&D, engineering and production point of view its not as simple as that and like any other company, Apple will always try and protect their margins. A modification in the displayport is far cheaper (and neater) than adding HDMI, DVI, VGA or whatever ports. Guess how Apple will recuperate the additional costs in R&D and engineering costs if they were to do that? Besides, where the heck are they going to put a few more ports? There's actually less space available than you think on the MBPs, even on the current 15" for that matter but I'll leave that to another thread.

An additional HDMI port should definitely not be high priority on the feature request list and should not be considered until Apple moves on from its current unibody design ; especially when the displayport + cable combo can do the job.

Anyway, the thread title is nonsense because if Apple hated HDMI, they wouldn't have bothered to modify the displayport to accommodate it.

The other reason is that there just may not be room for it. If you've looked at Apple's designs over the years (especially for MacBooks and the Mac mini), they've been reducing redundant ports to allow for smaller motherboards, bigger batteries, and generally simpler designs.

The 15" PowerBook G4 had both a DVI port and a S-Video port. This gave way to the MacBook Pro which replaced both with a DVI port that could also output S-Video, composite video, VGA, and HDMI signals. This MacBook Pro had ports for FireWire 400 and FireWire 800.

The MacBook Pro that replaced that (unibody) consolidated the two FireWire ports into one FireWire 800 port, changed the big honkin' DVI port to a mini DisplayPort, and moved all of the ports to the same side of the machine, allowing a more sturdy design, especially with the side-loading optical drive.

Changes like this are often for the sake of manufacturing costs and improving general designs.

The non-Unibody MacBook

 

[GamecockMac]

Are you referring to the racial discrimination lawsuit filed against Apple which is mentioned in this article?

Does the trolling ever stop from this one?

I can't wait for the mods to finally catch on and realize that you are a professional troll and hit you with the banhammer. The forums will be much improved upon your removal, you bring absolutely nothing of substance to the dialog and discussion here.