Why does Apple hate Macbook Pro users?

[sbb155]

I dont really get it...
apple does what they do for PROFITS
Solely profits

Apple is owned by shareholders
Shareholders want profits

The decisions that are made for all of these computers are complex decision to maximize profits

That is the answer. Profits are neither evil nor good - they are the MISSION of a publicly traded company

 

[AdamRock]

AMD 6750M is fantastic, have you even looked at what its capable of?

 

[Nonpython]

When I was looking, NBC lacked that model. Wow, I am a retard.

 

[TomCondon]

ugh... the MBP 17inch is pretty much the fastest you are going to get in a laptop...

It can run 3d rendering fine, it gets well above the category average also.

 

[altecXP]

ugh... the MBP 17inch is pretty much the fastest you are going to get in a laptop...

It can run 3d rendering fine, it gets well above the category average also.

You must not be familiar with PC laptops. In a month or less they will have PC's that beat is, PC laptops already have better GPU's for about $700 less. Just wait till they get the CPU refresh.

Some people here are REALLY out of date with the state of GPU's today.

 

[SPEEDwithJJ]

My *expletive deleted* livelihood relies on OS X only software. Before you say "get two laptops", we are not all $100k earners. I can barely afford one laptop.

Gaming is just one part. What about 3D rendering people? My brother does this, and he needs to rerender stuff when on the road to show his work to potential investors. Why should he have to bring a Mac Pro or buy a windows laptop and hackintosh it?

All I am asking is for something at least on par with the GTS 360M. That is not asking much. Form above function? Then I guess apple would just have the IGP on the SB die.

It is not like I am some PC fanboi wanting to troll, I am typing this on my iMac next to my Macbook Air and 2010 MBP.

No offense but it is very interesting to read that you can't "afford" to buy 2 laptops, which based on your posts, doesn't seem to be the case at all.

Anyway, back to topic. IMHO, if you want to game, you shouldn't be buying a laptop anyway. Apple is just like any other manufacturers who build & offer for sale what they think are a decent lineup of laptops for the majority of the people who buy them. Unfortunately, this is a case of "if you like it, buy it. If you don't like it, don't buy it & look for something else."

Furthermore, IMHO, it might be better for you to get a PS3 or XBox to satisfy your gaming needs. I would think that you'll be able to get better visual results from those & the overall package will be cheaper than a brand new 17" MBP.

Good luck.

 

[Davichi]

If you can find another laptop that has better specs than MBP with same or less weight and thickness, please link me to it.

 

[sjinsjca]

I'd say give it a few months. The Thunderbolt port will allow EXTERNAL video rendering engines to be utilized. Thunderbolt/Light Peak is, after all, a superset of PCIe.

Laptop design presents many more requirements for compromise than desktop design. Desktops let you jam a card into their PCIe slots. Now, with Thunderbolt, you will be able to do essentially the same thing with your portable computer, without reducing battery life and increasing cost for the rest of us.

 

[neteng101]

What about 3D rendering people? My brother does this, and he needs to rerender stuff when on the road to show his work to potential investors.

What about 3D rendering? That's a function of the CPU, not the GPU. You clearly lack knowledge of what happens... the GPU is only for display functions, 3D rendering is a CPU intensive workload.

And really for gaming, the low-res 15" is showing really decent potential for a laptop.

 

[theaero]

If you can find another laptop that has better specs than MBP with same or less weight and thickness, please link me to it.

Same. Also, preferably the same level of customer support, aesthetic appeal, ability to run OSX flawlessly, same battery life, backlit keyboards and an extremely nice trackpad. That would be great. Could you throw in the same resolution, ease of modification (ram/hd/2nd hd), new technology (Lightpeak), and a DC power connector that won't break after a few months (HP, Sony, I'm looking at you guys!)

Thanks, you're a lifesaver! This forum is full of ridiculous people who just wasted their money on a Macbook Pro when theres this miracle machine available. You're going to make a lot of people very upset, but luckily, I haven't placed my order yet, so thanks!!!

 

[hfletcher]

I think we should stop shooting the OP... He's kind of right in a small way. The 6750, on the one hand, is probably the biggest improvement in graphics for a number of years (in terms of since the 330M). However, it seems odd that both the 15" and 17" have the same GPU, when the 17" is larger (in both screen resolution, and physical size)? Even just the next bump up would have said "yes, we care about graphics; bigger screen res = better GPU" or whatever.

Still, to answer the question, apple doesn't hate MBP users..!

 

[legreve]

Gamers and laptops... what gives?

Are you using a laptop to game on so you can sit somewhere with your back against the wall while playing wow to pretend you have a life?

Laptops were made to suit the people who need a viable portable workstation, and it does that job pretty darn well.
Seriously, stick to desktops for gaming or even better go buy a console of some sort.

 

[namtaB]

Stop building strawmen and knocking them down.

LOL, did you notice your thread title? Don't make a strawman thread and then accuse others of creating strawmen arguments.

 

[altecXP]

If you can find another laptop that has better specs than MBP with same or less weight and thickness, please link me to it.

I dont know why thickness and weight matters to you peopel so much, I lugged a 8.5 laptop all thought college, you guys are pansies.

Spec wise though:
ENVY17 vs Apple 17in
ENVY: 1080p, 5850 GPU, 6GB RAM, 1x USB3, 3x USB2 one is shared eSATA, Mini-display, HDMI, $1,399 Weights .9lb more .25in thicker for those that care

MBP: 1050p, 6790 GPU, 4 GB RAM, 2x USB2, thunderbolt, $2.499

BOTH
750GB HDD
Mini-Display port
Aluminum shell

CPU's left out because HP's SNB update is announce but not out yet.

So besides battery life what are you getting for the extra $1,100?

It's not amazing build quality when Apple is only middle of the road. With what you spend for the MacBook you can buy an Envy 17 and 14 and still have $100 left over.

 

[2contagious]

I once played Portal on a 2010 17" MacBook Pro with all settings on high and it seemed fine to me. Is the new AMD/ATI GPU any worse than the nVidia GPU that's in the 2010 17" MBP? If not then it'll be good enough for me.. I only play a bit of Left 4 Dead 2, Counter Strike Source and Portal. I have a PS3 for the rest.

 

[Evil Spoonman]

I would be buying a new 17"er with all the trimmings, but I notice that Apple stuck a low end GPU into all the MBPs, with no option to upgrade to something less anemic. Why is Apple making it so native-resolution gaming is only possible, and I say this loosely, on the iMac? Did video games kill Apple's parents, forcing them to become BadGPUman?

whaaaa.... what benchmarks are you looking at? Talk about uninformed antagonistic posting...

Please review your concept of "low end GPU" and get back to us.

 

[Filipek]

What's the point of this thread other than complaining about something you can not change and something that has been discussed in numerous topics already?

Pardon my language, but it seems a lot of users are so called ' attention whores ' only opening threads for the sake of the opening...

I wish this forum would be better moderated, it would safe users like me, who come here to find useful information, a lot of time.

 

[brentsg]

It looks like a very successful troll to me.

 

[Commonmind]

I dont know why thickness and weight matters to you peopel so much, I lugged a 8.5 laptop all thought college, you guys are pansies.

Spec wise though:
ENVY17 vs Apple 17in
ENVY: 1080p, 5850 GPU, 6GB RAM, 1x USB3, 3x USB2 one is shared eSATA, Mini-display, HDMI, $1,399 Weights .9lb more .25in thicker for those that care

MBP: 1050p, 6790 GPU, 4 GB RAM, 2x USB2, thunderbolt, $2.499

BOTH
750GB HDD
Mini-Display port
Aluminum shell

CPU's left out because HP's SNB update is announce but not out yet.

So besides battery life what are you getting for the extra $1,100?

It's not amazing build quality when Apple is only middle of the road. With what you spend for the MacBook you can buy an Envy 17 and 14 and still have $100 left over.

Once again, under the assumption that the OS doesn't matter, that the external build quality or aesthetics of the machine don't matter...

I wonder, again, if anyone has ever thought of analogizing this concept to shopping for cars. I don't care if two cars have the same engine; If I can get one car for $1000 but it doesn't have the interior I want and looks as if it's been sandblasted and used in a blindman's rally race, and I can get another car for $2000 with a better interior and a decent looking exterior to match, I'm obviously going to buy the overall better looking car -- their having the same engine isn't the deciding factor for making the purchase, it's everything else that becomes the catalyst.

Does the MacBook Pro cost more? Absolutely. And although this is a matter of taste, I believe it's a nicer looking machine, more rigid; produced with a much higher attention to detail and quality. Why do none of these points matter?

The old meme that only the internal components of a machine should be weighed against its cost is an old and tired one.

 

[Viper2005]

The OP is kinda right. The 6750 is fine for the high end 15" resolution while for the 17" screen its stretching it quite a bit, even for an aging game such as WoW. With all the room in the 17" chassis they could have put in a more powerful gpu if they wanted without sacrificing the form factor.

 

[axu539]

My *expletive deleted* livelihood relies on OS X only software. Before you say "get two laptops", we are not all $100k earners. I can barely afford one laptop.

Clearly you CAN afford two laptops based on some of your other posts. Since you have some OS X machines already for your livelihood OS X work, why don't you just buy ONE ASUS or Alienware notebook for your gaming needs. Better yet, just build an insane gaming rig for less than $1200. Mac notebooks aren't designed for gaming in mind. They are the combination of design and power at the most optimal.

 

[Evil Spoonman]

The OP is kinda right. The 6750 is fine for the high end 15" resolution while for the 17" screen its stretching it quite a bit, even for an aging game such as WoW. With all the room in the 17" chassis they could have put in a more powerful gpu if they wanted without sacrificing the form factor.

All what room? Have you ever opened on of these things up? There really isn't much more space in them at all.

 

[snaky69]

My *expletive deleted* livelihood relies on OS X only software. Before you say "get two laptops", we are not all $100k earners. I can barely afford one laptop.

Have you considered a cheap to build desktop pc for your gaming purposes? Upgradable too!

 

[ddoolin0]

All what room? Have you ever opened on of these things up? There really isn't much more space in them at all.

A GPU is simply a chip on the motherboard (mobile, at least). In the 17" they probably could have, but I'm not sure about the others...

 

[Evil Spoonman]

A GPU is simply a chip on the motherboard (mobile, at least). In the 17" they probably could have, but I'm not sure about the others...

Sure, they could have put a much faster chip on the motherboard. Unfortunately the design constraints go well beyond that. How are they going to keep the machine cool when you have a faster GPU generating much more heat? These things get toasty enough as-is, and I get the feeling Apple is designing very close to the thermal dissipation limits of the chassis. There are of course ways to get around this... making it thicker, underclocking the CPU, removing the optical drive... none of these things are priorities right now it seems.